The current monetary system will break down when there are hardly any jobs for people to earn money. This will probably not be in our lifetimes, but it's something we have to think about. The speed at which technology improves accelerates. If we develop quantum computing, hold on to your butts. It's going to be a wild ride. Or mass extinction.

For scarcity, we will have to go to space for materials.

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It always seemed to me that people who don't have to work often live rather pointless lives.

You might say that they exist rather than living.

Think about it.

If you can go fishing every day, then it becomes one of "What did you do yesterday? Fishing", "What are you doing today? Fishing", and "What are you going to do tomorrow? Fishing".

If you get to go fishing every day, then why bother going fishing?

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Yea Eric I agree. I don't get the desire to NOT work. I've had jobs that paid very well and jobs that didn't pay very well and jobs that didn't pay at all. But nothing was worse than the few short times that I didn't work at all. I got complacent and everything started going downhill. Work has nothing really to do with money. Pre Covid it was generally accepted that there was no real correlation between money and happiness somewhere just past the poverty line. Work is about the soul, not about money.


It's not surprising that a guy like Elon Musk doesn't understand that. He is a bit off the normal rocker scale to begin with.

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I'll just never get the mentality. To each their own. If you can't find anything outside of work to self motivate you, that's on you.

And again for all the pointless lives story, I'll give you x10 of pointless lives wasted at work for 40 years. Many of us can find meaning and passion outside of work. Very, very easily.

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Man was meant to work. If anyone is not willing to work, let him not eat.

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What if you've already worked and saved enough to provide for yourself for the rest of your life?

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Look 4 posts below that one and I address it.

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I could "work" at scuba diving and sailing around the world.

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As long as that supports your life, you could be on only fans to pay for it for all I care.

What is not acceptable is requiring other taxpayers money to pay for your individual family needs.

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You are missing the point. Elon is saying in the future we will have robots to plant and harvest food, cut down trees and build houses, make the steel and build buildings, build roads, run the ships between countries, etc. there will be little for humans to do unless they absolutely want to do it. The "taxpayers" will be robots.

You actually will need to rethink your concept of money and taxation because they will no longer be needed

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We are both wealthy attorneys. Care to make a large wager? $50K? I'll bet you whatever you want that this will not happen in 5 year or 10 years? If you come back with lets bet on 30 years, that is irrelevant to me because I will no longer be here to collect and we are discussing a hypothetical so far in the future as to be pointless to almost everyone working today.

What will happen is there will be significant job displacement with the majority still working. What do we do with those displaced? Pay to keep the alive? Allow them to reproduce when they already do not provide anything?

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I have an account at Bovada and I haven't even touched it this year. Not much of a betting dude.

What is the other solution, gas chambers for the poor? Another French Revolution?

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GeorgiAg said:

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GeorgiAg said:

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beerad12man said:

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agsalaska said:

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eric76 said:

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It always seemed to me that people who don't have to work often live rather pointless lives.

You might say that they exist rather than living.

Think about it.

If you can go fishing every day, then it becomes one of "What did you do yesterday? Fishing", "What are you doing today? Fishing", and "What are you going to do tomorrow? Fishing".

If you get to go fishing every day, then why bother going fishing?

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Yea Eric I agree. I don't get the desire to NOT work. I've had jobs that paid very well and jobs that didn't pay very well and jobs that didn't pay at all. But nothing was worse than the few short times that I didn't work at all. I got complacent and everything started going downhill. Work has nothing really to do with money. Pre Covid it was generally accepted that there was no real correlation between money and happiness somewhere just past the poverty line. Work is about the soul, not about money.


It's not surprising that a guy like Elon Musk doesn't understand that. He is a bit off the normal rocker scale to begin with.

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I'll just never get the mentality. To each their own. If you can't find anything outside of work to self motivate you, that's on you.

And again for all the pointless lives story, I'll give you x10 of pointless lives wasted at work for 40 years. Many of us can find meaning and passion outside of work. Very, very easily.

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Man was meant to work. If anyone is not willing to work, let him not eat.

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What if you've already worked and saved enough to provide for yourself for the rest of your life?

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Look 4 posts below that one and I address it.

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I could "work" at scuba diving and sailing around the world.

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As long as that supports your life, you could be on only fans to pay for it for all I care.

What is not acceptable is requiring other taxpayers money to pay for your individual family needs.

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You are missing the point. Elon is saying in the future we will have robots to plant and harvest food, cut down trees and build houses, make the steel and build buildings, build roads, run the ships between countries, etc. there will be little for humans to do unless they absolutely want to do it. The "taxpayers" will be robots.

You actually will need to rethink your concept of money and taxation because they will no longer be needed

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We are both wealthy attorneys. Care to make a large wager? $50K? I'll bet you whatever you want that this will not happen in 5 year or 10 years? If you come back with lets bet on 30 years, that is irrelevant to me because I will no longer be here to collect and we are discussing a hypothetical so far in the future as to be pointless to almost everyone working today.

What will happen is there will be significant job displacement with the majority still working. What do we do with those displaced? Pay to keep the alive? Allow them to reproduce when they already do not provide anything?

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I have an account at Bovada and I haven't even touched it this year. Not much of a betting dude.

What is the other solution, gas chambers for the poor? Another French Revolution?

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Both of those would be preferable to paying people to sit in their apartment, playing online, and eating their govt cricket. What ever came out the other side would be better than that. We were not meant to live like that. I'd rather fight it out. Death doesn't even come close to scaring me as much as that dependance existence. I tell my family all the time, that when I have outlived my ability to be me, please just let me go. Do not prolong my existence for them. Don't do that to their dad.

Can we just get a ****ing hoverboard?

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GeorgiAg said:

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Tom Fox said:

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Teslag said:

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Tom Fox said:

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beerad12man said:

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agsalaska said:

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eric76 said:

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It always seemed to me that people who don't have to work often live rather pointless lives.

You might say that they exist rather than living.

Think about it.

If you can go fishing every day, then it becomes one of "What did you do yesterday? Fishing", "What are you doing today? Fishing", and "What are you going to do tomorrow? Fishing".

If you get to go fishing every day, then why bother going fishing?

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Yea Eric I agree. I don't get the desire to NOT work. I've had jobs that paid very well and jobs that didn't pay very well and jobs that didn't pay at all. But nothing was worse than the few short times that I didn't work at all. I got complacent and everything started going downhill. Work has nothing really to do with money. Pre Covid it was generally accepted that there was no real correlation between money and happiness somewhere just past the poverty line. Work is about the soul, not about money.


It's not surprising that a guy like Elon Musk doesn't understand that. He is a bit off the normal rocker scale to begin with.

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I'll just never get the mentality. To each their own. If you can't find anything outside of work to self motivate you, that's on you.

And again for all the pointless lives story, I'll give you x10 of pointless lives wasted at work for 40 years. Many of us can find meaning and passion outside of work. Very, very easily.

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Man was meant to work. If anyone is not willing to work, let him not eat.

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What if you've already worked and saved enough to provide for yourself for the rest of your life?

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Look 4 posts below that one and I address it.

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I could "work" at scuba diving and sailing around the world.

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As long as that supports your life, you could be on only fans to pay for it for all I care.

What is not acceptable is requiring other taxpayers money to pay for your individual family needs.

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You are missing the point. Elon is saying in the future we will have robots to plant and harvest food, cut down trees and build houses, make the steel and build buildings, build roads, run the ships between countries, etc. there will be little for humans to do unless they absolutely want to do it. The "taxpayers" will be robots.

You actually will need to rethink your concept of money and taxation because they will no longer be needed

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He is full of shlt. No one posting here will ever be alive to see that world if it is even possible.

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It's much closer than you think. 200 years ago was much closer in technology to 2000 years ago than it is to today.

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Can we just get a ****ing hoverboard?

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I keep seeing articles that flying cars are actually going to happen in the very near future! Saw one just this week in WSJ.

We will become a post scarcity society, at least in terms of basic needs. Is that 20, 50 or 100 years? Who knows. Whether that's a good thing can certainly be debated because human beings aren't particularly good with idle hands. Finding meaning will be challenging as many define themselves based on being providers, which will cease to be necessary. There will still be something to do though because people search for things like status or intrigue.

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It may not be 20 years, but yes there will come a time when we finally automate so much and produce so much that most people won't need to actually work.

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Do you like steak from cattle or are you going to be satisfied with cultured protein?

Gonna end up with a society whose "work" force looks like the 1800's, but lifestyles look like the 2100's.

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It may not be 20 years, but yes there will come a time when we finally automate so much and produce so much that most people won't need to actually work.

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Do you like steak from cattle or are you going to be satisfied with cultured protein?

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Depends on which tastes better

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So, if jobs are optional then who is going to pay for UBI for everyone??

I will die on the hill that Elon is conflating AI advancement with solving scarcity which I dispute. He thinks AI will solve Economics 101. I don't see how.

Solving scarcity is the only way UBI can be supported at scale on top of all of the other welfare that is given out. If we are in a UBI world, then you can bet we are also in a UHC world.

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You're correct. We may eliminate certain things and create a wastrel underclass through such a system. And then you'll have a very, very strange society. One level of ultra-wealthy industrialists and capital barons. One level of hyper educated researchers, engineers, and politicians. And one level of destitution. Oh it'll be comfortable enough with mindless slop and no meaning, but yeah I just think that will be a complete disaster for 70%+ of the people.

I was raised in the lower upper-class, went to private schools before going to A&M for the Corps. I've been around a TON of the people who think like this and think it's a great step forward. The kind that vaguely believe that Star Trek style existence is what we're headed for.

I was rapidly disabused of those pretenses by being introduced to the rest of society at A&M. Work and struggle and achievement are the things that make life worthwhile. The things that bop around in that class of people's heads is so disconnected from the reality of the rest of the world it is astounding.

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San Angeles is calling...

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Can we just get a ****ing hoverboard?

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I keep seeing articles that flying cars are actually going to happen in the very near future! Saw one just this week in WSJ.

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You're going to get "Uber Air Taxis" in the not too distant future...

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GeorgiAg said:

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Teslag said:

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Tom Fox said:

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beerad12man said:

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agsalaska said:

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eric76 said:

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It always seemed to me that people who don't have to work often live rather pointless lives.

You might say that they exist rather than living.

Think about it.

If you can go fishing every day, then it becomes one of "What did you do yesterday? Fishing", "What are you doing today? Fishing", and "What are you going to do tomorrow? Fishing".

If you get to go fishing every day, then why bother going fishing?

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Yea Eric I agree. I don't get the desire to NOT work. I've had jobs that paid very well and jobs that didn't pay very well and jobs that didn't pay at all. But nothing was worse than the few short times that I didn't work at all. I got complacent and everything started going downhill. Work has nothing really to do with money. Pre Covid it was generally accepted that there was no real correlation between money and happiness somewhere just past the poverty line. Work is about the soul, not about money.


It's not surprising that a guy like Elon Musk doesn't understand that. He is a bit off the normal rocker scale to begin with.

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I'll just never get the mentality. To each their own. If you can't find anything outside of work to self motivate you, that's on you.

And again for all the pointless lives story, I'll give you x10 of pointless lives wasted at work for 40 years. Many of us can find meaning and passion outside of work. Very, very easily.

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Man was meant to work. If anyone is not willing to work, let him not eat.

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What if you've already worked and saved enough to provide for yourself for the rest of your life?

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Look 4 posts below that one and I address it.

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I could "work" at scuba diving and sailing around the world.

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As long as that supports your life, you could be on only fans to pay for it for all I care.

What is not acceptable is requiring other taxpayers money to pay for your individual family needs.

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You are missing the point. Elon is saying in the future we will have robots to plant and harvest food, cut down trees and build houses, make the steel and build buildings, build roads, run the ships between countries, etc. there will be little for humans to do unless they absolutely want to do it. The "taxpayers" will be robots.

You actually will need to rethink your concept of money and taxation because they will no longer be needed

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He is full of shlt. No one posting here will ever be alive to see that world if it is even possible.

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It's much closer than you think. 200 years ago was much closer in technology to 2000 years ago than it is to today.

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True.

We went from the first heavier than air aircraft to a man on the moon in 66 years...

I think it's much more likely man will destroy AI than AI creating some utopia.

We're almost at the point where nothing is believable unless personally witnessed. Not video. Not audio recording. First person experience.

We cannot function as a species in that manner. The ability to manipulate and control EVERYTHING with that kind of power is off the charts scary. People will eschew technology for truth at some point, the only question is how far down the rabbit hole we go before we reach that point.

Again, as a species we are not compatible with such a powerful technology. AI is just like socialism or libertarianism. To the uninitiated, it sounds great on paper....then you introduce reality and human nature and it goes off the rails quickly.

Ag with kids said:

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Teslag said:

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Tom Fox said:

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GeorgiAg said:

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Tom Fox said:

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GeorgiAg said:

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Tom Fox said:

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Teslag said:

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Tom Fox said:

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beerad12man said:

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agsalaska said:

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eric76 said:

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It always seemed to me that people who don't have to work often live rather pointless lives.

You might say that they exist rather than living.

Think about it.

If you can go fishing every day, then it becomes one of "What did you do yesterday? Fishing", "What are you doing today? Fishing", and "What are you going to do tomorrow? Fishing".

If you get to go fishing every day, then why bother going fishing?

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Yea Eric I agree. I don't get the desire to NOT work. I've had jobs that paid very well and jobs that didn't pay very well and jobs that didn't pay at all. But nothing was worse than the few short times that I didn't work at all. I got complacent and everything started going downhill. Work has nothing really to do with money. Pre Covid it was generally accepted that there was no real correlation between money and happiness somewhere just past the poverty line. Work is about the soul, not about money.


It's not surprising that a guy like Elon Musk doesn't understand that. He is a bit off the normal rocker scale to begin with.

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I'll just never get the mentality. To each their own. If you can't find anything outside of work to self motivate you, that's on you.

And again for all the pointless lives story, I'll give you x10 of pointless lives wasted at work for 40 years. Many of us can find meaning and passion outside of work. Very, very easily.

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Man was meant to work. If anyone is not willing to work, let him not eat.

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What if you've already worked and saved enough to provide for yourself for the rest of your life?

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Look 4 posts below that one and I address it.

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I could "work" at scuba diving and sailing around the world.

---

As long as that supports your life, you could be on only fans to pay for it for all I care.

What is not acceptable is requiring other taxpayers money to pay for your individual family needs.

---

You are missing the point. Elon is saying in the future we will have robots to plant and harvest food, cut down trees and build houses, make the steel and build buildings, build roads, run the ships between countries, etc. there will be little for humans to do unless they absolutely want to do it. The "taxpayers" will be robots.

You actually will need to rethink your concept of money and taxation because they will no longer be needed

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He is full of shlt. No one posting here will ever be alive to see that world if it is even possible.

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It's much closer than you think. 200 years ago was much closer in technology to 2000 years ago than it is to today.

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True.

We went from the first heavier than air aircraft to a man on the moon in 66 years...

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Supposedly.....

YouBet said:

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Ag with kids said:

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Teslag said:

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Tom Fox said:

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GeorgiAg said:

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Tom Fox said:

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GeorgiAg said:

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Tom Fox said:

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Teslag said:

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Tom Fox said:

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beerad12man said:

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agsalaska said:

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eric76 said:

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It always seemed to me that people who don't have to work often live rather pointless lives.

You might say that they exist rather than living.

Think about it.

If you can go fishing every day, then it becomes one of "What did you do yesterday? Fishing", "What are you doing today? Fishing", and "What are you going to do tomorrow? Fishing".

If you get to go fishing every day, then why bother going fishing?

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Yea Eric I agree. I don't get the desire to NOT work. I've had jobs that paid very well and jobs that didn't pay very well and jobs that didn't pay at all. But nothing was worse than the few short times that I didn't work at all. I got complacent and everything started going downhill. Work has nothing really to do with money. Pre Covid it was generally accepted that there was no real correlation between money and happiness somewhere just past the poverty line. Work is about the soul, not about money.


It's not surprising that a guy like Elon Musk doesn't understand that. He is a bit off the normal rocker scale to begin with.

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I'll just never get the mentality. To each their own. If you can't find anything outside of work to self motivate you, that's on you.

And again for all the pointless lives story, I'll give you x10 of pointless lives wasted at work for 40 years. Many of us can find meaning and passion outside of work. Very, very easily.

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Man was meant to work. If anyone is not willing to work, let him not eat.

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What if you've already worked and saved enough to provide for yourself for the rest of your life?

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Look 4 posts below that one and I address it.

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I could "work" at scuba diving and sailing around the world.

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As long as that supports your life, you could be on only fans to pay for it for all I care.

What is not acceptable is requiring other taxpayers money to pay for your individual family needs.

---

You are missing the point. Elon is saying in the future we will have robots to plant and harvest food, cut down trees and build houses, make the steel and build buildings, build roads, run the ships between countries, etc. there will be little for humans to do unless they absolutely want to do it. The "taxpayers" will be robots.

You actually will need to rethink your concept of money and taxation because they will no longer be needed

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He is full of shlt. No one posting here will ever be alive to see that world if it is even possible.

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It's much closer than you think. 200 years ago was much closer in technology to 2000 years ago than it is to today.

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True.

We went from the first heavier than air aircraft to a man on the moon in 66 years...

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Supposedly.....

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I think it's much more likely man will destroy AI than AI creating some utopia.

We're almost at the point where nothing is believable unless personally witnessed. Not video. Not audio recording. First person experience.

We cannot function as a species in that manner. The ability to manipulate and control EVERYTHING with that kind of power is off the charts scary. People will eschew technology for truth at some point, the only question is how far down the rabbit hole we go before we reach that point.

Again, as a species we are not compatible with such a powerful technology. AI is just like socialism or libertarianism. To the uninitiated, it sounds great on paper....then you introduce reality and human nature and it goes off the rails quickly.

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We will never give up A.I. Countries that have A.I. will outperform others who don't by several orders of magnitude in warfare, business, everything.

Jokes on Musk; I'll be retired by then!