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"At least they made up an award" is certainly an argument. The criticism was that it was embarrassingly sycophantic. FIFA created a prize one month ago, announced it the day after Trump didn't get the Nobel, then gave it to him at an event they moved to the Kennedy Center (which Trump now controls), with a five-minute hype video and Infantino gushing "this is your peace prize." No selection committee, no criteria, no other candidates. This is the same organization the DOJ indicted 50+ people from across 20 countries for racketeering and $150 million in bribes. Even granting every item on your list, none of it addresses whether the FIFA ceremony was embarrassing. It's okay to not pivot to "other side did bad things too" and acknowledge that it does look pretty bad.
The difference here is that we expect this from FIFA. It's known for blatant crap like this.
Quite a bit different than the Nobel Peace Prize organization awarding one of the most globally prestigious awards to a man simply because he's black.
Their lone criteria that year was skin color which subsequently made the award worthless. The funny thing is that some of the folks involved in that decision now regret it, at least, because they are self-aware enough to realize how racist and stupid it was.
Yeah, but "we expect this from FIFA" glosses over the fact that Trump enthusiastically participated. He moved the draw to the Kennedy Center, accepted the award, and put the medal around his neck while calling it "one of the great honors of my life."
Like him or dislike him, it is a fact that Obama was at least openly self-critical about receiving the Nobel Peace Prize. The morning he found out, he told reporters "I do not feel that I deserve to be in the company of so many of the transformative figures who've been honored by this prize." In his acceptance speech he even stated he feels his accomplishments are slight when compared to other recipients. We could probably speculate all day whether this is just performative humility, but at least there was some sort of effort.
Also, just a correction, although irrelevant to the topic of this thread: the Nobel Committee's stated rationale was Obama's diplomatic outreach and nonproliferation efforts after the Bush years. Whether or not you believe there was some unstated reason for Obama's award, the fact remains that the Committee never said or implied race was a factor, not at the time, and not in any later expressed regrets. You could argue the award was thin or premature (many did, including Obama himself, like I've mentioned), but "lone criteria was skin color" is your characterization, not theirs. Lundestad's regret was that the aspirational bet didn't pay off since they had hoped the award would boost Obama's diplomacy and it didn't, but no one from the Committee has ever said or implied it was about race.