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I guess your anti-semitism has blinded you to the fact that the Iranians have attacked the US numerous times and killed over a thousand Americans...

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Its worth asking why opposing Israel's influence on US foreign policy makes one a bigot? Its also worth asking why speech codes exist to protect Jews, but dont exist for Christians?

I'm against lobbing insults and censoring speech. Especially while debating topics as serious as war. Fortunately in America, we have Constitutional provisions protected by 2A. So this problem is much worse abroad.

What about the pardon of Changpeng Zhao who is in direct business with the Trump family?

You have Ben Shaprio stating in an interview that is "corrupt" and that if it were Biden people would be "screaming bloody murder" over it. He then followed up that he is "confident that the president will likely pardon himself and his children"

Are you saying Shaprio is wrong?

Feel free to watch if for yourself

https://www.newyorker.com/video/watch/ben-shapiro-is-waging-battle-inside-the-maga-movement

I like both of the sons.

Some people just seem to be in an echo chamber or something and don't seem very informed of things happening which is fine but no reason to go on attack mode when something is brought up you don't like to hear.

Summary: Trump sons made major investments in drone companies. Up until recently the Pentagon was using Chinese made drones. But that was recently changed. Now they are looking for American made drones. Not only that but the budget is being increased dramatically for more drones.

Now luckily the sons invested in American drone companies and luckily the pentagon wants American made drones. Also luckily the pentagon just announced a large increase in the drone budget.

Just do a search and you will easily find this. It's not anything being done secretly.

It's just too bad the rest of us didn't get in on the drone investments early. And yes it's great they are going to be American made!

Political fall out? Well Nancy has a stock app tracker for a reason. This has a bad look. Swamp always wins.

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AgFan1974 said:

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AGHouston11 said:

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AGHouston11 said:

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Just announced Pentagon to invest BILLIONS into drone companies. Guess who got involved a while back into drone companies. Don Jr and Eric.

Illegal? guess not but just seems like the Swamp being the Swamp.

Pentagon money flowing to a president's son -
Political fallout again not good.

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Drones have become one of the most used and dangerous weapons on the battlefield both in Ukraine and Iran.

But, there's no way the Pentagon is investing drone companies because of that. It's because the Trumps want to make money.


Makes PERFECT sense...

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Well of course nothing was said otherwise.

But how does the process work for choosing the companies?

Think it's a little odd that some of the companies may have the president's sons involved heavily? You know like on the board?

That's exactly how the swamp works.

This again is the opposite of what Trump campaigned on and was elected for.

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Circumstantial Ad Hominem unless you can point to those companies connection and/or profit. Maybe you can, but you have'nt. Terrible way to argue a point.

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What exactly are you looking for as a connection. Just do a quick search for Eric and Don Jr invest in drone companies. You will see tons of msm headlines. Things like stocks soar with board appointment etc. The names of the companies. Loans from the pentagon to their companies, etc, etc,

It's not being done secretly. I never implied that. It's a bad look though in the middle of a war when a competing company for drone contracts has the president's son as a large investor or on the board. They are involved with more than one company.

Simply put if this was Hunter and the president was Biden it would be looked at much differently by Republicans.

This wreaks like when Comey and Niki Haley went to the "private sector". Not the same of course but it is similar how it's favorable to have "certain people" involved when it comes to Pentagon contracts.

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You mean they invested in one of the hottest things out there right now? Damn, they must be super smart to figure out to invest there.

And what board appointments?

What loans to "their" companies? BTW, when did they buy the companies?

I fail to see how this is on topic for a political fall out of the Iran conflict this year, but the pardon of Zhao in October last year was explicitly granted due to the political nature of his prosecution. It sounds like a policy-minded decision to use the presidential pardon power, to me:

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"In their desire to punish the cryptocurrency industry, the Biden administration pursued Mr. Zhao despite no allegations of fraud or identifiable victims," Leavitt said in a statement. "The Biden Administration sought to imprison Mr. Zhao for three years, a sentence so outside Sentencing Guidelines that even the Judge said he had never heard of this in his 30-year career. These actions by the Biden Administration severely damaged the United States' reputation as a global leader in technology and innovation. The Biden Administration's war on crypto is over."

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I'm not aware of anything Zhao has said about the conflict. He is a UAE citizen (now) I guess so maybe there is some sort of connection there, I dunno.

#BREAKING: Ambassador to Israel Mike Huckabee has been recalled to Washington D.C.

— Insider Wire (@InsiderWire) April 21, 2026

JUST IN - Vance cancels his trip to Pakistan — AP

— Disclose.tv (@disclosetv) April 21, 2026

NEW: Iran has officially declined participating in peace talks Wednesday.

— Polymarket (@Polymarket) April 21, 2026

Edit:
https://www.cnbc.com/2026/04/21/trump-iran-war-ceasefire.html

Never mind, this war is like Texas Weather. Don't like the news? Just wait 10 minutes.

AGHouston11 said:

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I like both of the sons.

Some people just seem to be in an echo chamber or something and don't seem very informed of things happening which is fine but no reason to go on attack mode when something is brought up you don't like to hear.

Summary: Trump sons made major investments in drone companies. Up until recently the Pentagon was using Chinese made drones. But that was recently changed. Now they are looking for American made drones. Not only that but the budget is being increased dramatically for more drones.

Now luckily the sons invested in American drone companies and luckily the pentagon wants American made drones. Also luckily the pentagon just announced a large increase in the drone budget.

Just do a search and you will easily find this. It's not anything being done secretly.

It's just too bad the rest of us didn't get in on the drone investments early. And yes it's great they are going to be American made!

Political fall out? Well Nancy has a stock app tracker for a reason. This has a bad look. Swamp always wins.

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The FedGov has been moving away from Chinese made drones for quite a long time. I work in the industry and it's been at least 5-6 years since the push away from them.

We don't have any because we work with a lot of government entities (and we're a state entity, too). We got rid of the several Chinese made ones we had (Mavics, etc) quite awhile ago.

That is NOT a new thing and isn't because of Trump.

BTW, you could have gotten in on the companies. It's not like there aren't a lot of well known ones. I would suggest you also invest in AAM companies making eVTOLs...Joby/Archer/Wisk/etc. There's money to be made there.

PaulsBunions said:

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#BREAKING: Ambassador to Israel Mike Huckabee has been recalled to Washington D.C.

— Insider Wire (@InsiderWire) April 21, 2026

JUST IN - Vance cancels his trip to Pakistan — AP

— Disclose.tv (@disclosetv) April 21, 2026

NEW: Iran has officially declined participating in peace talks Wednesday.

— Polymarket (@Polymarket) April 21, 2026

Edit:
https://www.cnbc.com/2026/04/21/trump-iran-war-ceasefire.html

Never mind, this war is like Texas Weather. Don't like the news? Just wait 10 minutes.

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Hurry up and wait for the "death of your civilization."

My post was a direct response to a post related to corruption that has now been edited by staff.


Also Mr Zhao can claim whatever he wants now but the fact of the matter is he pled guilty to those crimes.

Military coup?

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AgFan1974 said:

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Yet you still have not resolved the problem. Do you not believe there is a problem? And, comparing risk assesment in war with risk assesment in investing is naive.

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There was not an "imminent nuclear threat" problem after Midnight Hammer. Nor was there a Hormuz bottleneck problem.

You do not know this for certain and neither do I. Much like the WMD discussion in real time. Ill give you that.

The problem has always been an Iranian regime that sponsored attacks on Israel. US leaders have been financially motivated, and Americans have been propagantized, to believe Israel's problems are America's problems.

Israel and Iran were allies pre 1979. There has not "always" been a problem. When Iran decided they would no longer be allies but archenemies (for religious reasons and essentially overnight), everyhting changed. The new regime (Khomeini) put on a facade of tolerance pre-revolution. The reality was much different, ask the Baha'is. Christians and Jews were recognized in the new constitution but not allowed to participate in government, military, religious leadership. Minorities (Jews and Christians for example) were stripped of rights. Converting from Islam to one of these minority religions became, and remains, punishable by death. Ayatollah Khomeini said himself " we shall export our revolution to the whole world". He championed a religious cause, not a nation. He (now his followers) would slit your throat given the chance.

Israel is an ally. Not a perfect ally. We are not a perfect ally. We had a duty and still have a duty to support their existance. (there is biblical component to this as well but that is complex and difficult to sort even for the most educated Christians. There are other threads on this, this one is not the place for that discussion). Some of Israels problems are, in fact, Americas problems. We 100% have interests in the stabilization of that region.


The good news is that will change. Not tomorrow, but years down the road the majority of this country will realize that Israel has manipulated our leaders, and looted the US taxpayer for 60 years.

Only if they lose sight of what Iran is and what they aspire to be. We should always be aware of manipulation and where we choose to spend our monies. We do not have to support Israel blindly, Ive never heard anyone say this regardless of their position. Every human and every nation is biased to their own interests. Pray God the USA always carries the biggest stick and we continue to produce Americans who believe we have an obligation to have these discussions and champion freedom and justice.

In terms of viewing modern war as an "investment", it actually should be viewed that way. Especially if the objective is to liberate a bunch of Muslims on other side of the world, to make them a western partner. The days of US "war" being a last resort to protect the homeland are over. "Wars" have become executive branch excursions to extract some geopolitical/mineral prize.

You are side-stepping here. There has always been an aspect of investment in war. That was not your original characterization as I understood it. War has always been about resources. Always.

But if anyone still believes Iraq was an imminent WMD threat, or 9/11 culprit, than its no surprise they believe the current propaganda on Iran.

Again, Iran and Iraq are apples and oranges.

Operation Absolute Resolve was a great investment.
Operation Midnight Hammer, also good (if it ended there)
Operation AIPAC Fury, a growing disaster.

Trump isn't Kim Jung, he doesn't get perfect golf scores. He isn't Christ either.

What?

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boulderaggie said:

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Military coup?

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Supposedly. Though, when 60 percent of the economy of a nation of 90 million people is run through the "Revolutionary Guard Corps" I am not sure if the IRGC taking unilateral control is really a coup or not. Forcing their leadership out of their bunkers would be a great thing, though.

Personally, I think they are just showing how desperate they are.

BREAKING: The IRGC Aerospace Force has deployed its ballistic missiles and their launchers to various roundabouts in Tehran, including Vanak. You can see Qiam-1 and Khorramshahr-3 missiles on display in Vanak and other roundabouts across Tehran, the capital of Iran, tonight.… pic.twitter.com/wv4yYEScMi

— Babak Taghvaee - The Crisis Watch (@BabakTaghvaee1) April 21, 2026

AGHouston11 said:

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AGHouston11 said:

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Ag with kids said:

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AGHouston11 said:

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Just announced Pentagon to invest BILLIONS into drone companies. Guess who got involved a while back into drone companies. Don Jr and Eric.

Illegal? guess not but just seems like the Swamp being the Swamp.

Pentagon money flowing to a president's son -
Political fallout again not good.

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Drones have become one of the most used and dangerous weapons on the battlefield both in Ukraine and Iran.

But, there's no way the Pentagon is investing drone companies because of that. It's because the Trumps want to make money.


Makes PERFECT sense...

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Well of course nothing was said otherwise.

But how does the process work for choosing the companies?

Think it's a little odd that some of the companies may have the president's sons involved heavily? You know like on the board?

That's exactly how the swamp works.

This again is the opposite of what Trump campaigned on and was elected for.

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Circumstantial Ad Hominem unless you can point to those companies connection and/or profit. Maybe you can, but you have'nt. Terrible way to argue a point.

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What exactly are you looking for as a connection. Just do a quick search for Eric and Don Jr invest in drone companies. You will see tons of msm headlines. Things like stocks soar with board appointment etc. The names of the companies. Loans from the pentagon to their companies, etc, etc,

It's not being done secretly. I never implied that. It's a bad look though in the middle of a war when a competing company for drone contracts has the president's son as a large investor or on the board. They are involved with more than one company.

Simply put if this was Hunter and the president was Biden it would be looked at much differently by Republicans.

This wreaks like when Comey and Niki Haley went to the "private sector". Not the same of course but it is similar how it's favorable to have "certain people" involved when it comes to Pentagon contracts.

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I was'nt looking for a connection. You suggested there was one. I pointed out you should not do that without linking some information that supports your claim. You still have not done that. If there is something to support it Id happily evaluate and call a spade a spade. The burden of proof is not on me, it is on you bud.

Never mind, this war is like Texas Weather. Don't like the news? Just wait 10 minutes.

This we can all agree on!

AgFan1974 said:

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AGHouston11 said:

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AgFan1974 said:

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AGHouston11 said:

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Ag with kids said:

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AGHouston11 said:

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Just announced Pentagon to invest BILLIONS into drone companies. Guess who got involved a while back into drone companies. Don Jr and Eric.

Illegal? guess not but just seems like the Swamp being the Swamp.

Pentagon money flowing to a president's son -
Political fallout again not good.

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Drones have become one of the most used and dangerous weapons on the battlefield both in Ukraine and Iran.

But, there's no way the Pentagon is investing drone companies because of that. It's because the Trumps want to make money.


Makes PERFECT sense...

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Well of course nothing was said otherwise.

But how does the process work for choosing the companies?

Think it's a little odd that some of the companies may have the president's sons involved heavily? You know like on the board?

That's exactly how the swamp works.

This again is the opposite of what Trump campaigned on and was elected for.

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Circumstantial Ad Hominem unless you can point to those companies connection and/or profit. Maybe you can, but you have'nt. Terrible way to argue a point.

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What exactly are you looking for as a connection. Just do a quick search for Eric and Don Jr invest in drone companies. You will see tons of msm headlines. Things like stocks soar with board appointment etc. The names of the companies. Loans from the pentagon to their companies, etc, etc,

It's not being done secretly. I never implied that. It's a bad look though in the middle of a war when a competing company for drone contracts has the president's son as a large investor or on the board. They are involved with more than one company.

Simply put if this was Hunter and the president was Biden it would be looked at much differently by Republicans.

This wreaks like when Comey and Niki Haley went to the "private sector". Not the same of course but it is similar how it's favorable to have "certain people" involved when it comes to Pentagon contracts.

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I was'nt looking for a connection. You suggested there was one. I pointed out you should not do that without linking some information that supports your claim. You still have not done that. If there is something to support it Id happily evaluate and call a spade a spade. The burden of proof is not on me, it is on you bud.

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Bud ? Lol
Fair enough. This is a political discussion forum. I'm not trying to prove anything to you. The time it took you to type your post you could have easily looked that all up in google. These are all mainstream stories and all come up on the first page of results.

AgFan1974 said:

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Never mind, this war is like Texas Weather. Don't like the news? Just wait 10 minutes.

This we can all agree on!

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We can agree on that
Deadline just extended again!

AGHouston11 said:

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AGHouston11 said:

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AGHouston11 said:

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Ag with kids said:

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AGHouston11 said:

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Just announced Pentagon to invest BILLIONS into drone companies. Guess who got involved a while back into drone companies. Don Jr and Eric.

Illegal? guess not but just seems like the Swamp being the Swamp.

Pentagon money flowing to a president's son -
Political fallout again not good.

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Drones have become one of the most used and dangerous weapons on the battlefield both in Ukraine and Iran.

But, there's no way the Pentagon is investing drone companies because of that. It's because the Trumps want to make money.


Makes PERFECT sense...

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Well of course nothing was said otherwise.

But how does the process work for choosing the companies?

Think it's a little odd that some of the companies may have the president's sons involved heavily? You know like on the board?

That's exactly how the swamp works.

This again is the opposite of what Trump campaigned on and was elected for.

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Circumstantial Ad Hominem unless you can point to those companies connection and/or profit. Maybe you can, but you have'nt. Terrible way to argue a point.

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What exactly are you looking for as a connection. Just do a quick search for Eric and Don Jr invest in drone companies. You will see tons of msm headlines. Things like stocks soar with board appointment etc. The names of the companies. Loans from the pentagon to their companies, etc, etc,

It's not being done secretly. I never implied that. It's a bad look though in the middle of a war when a competing company for drone contracts has the president's son as a large investor or on the board. They are involved with more than one company.

Simply put if this was Hunter and the president was Biden it would be looked at much differently by Republicans.

This wreaks like when Comey and Niki Haley went to the "private sector". Not the same of course but it is similar how it's favorable to have "certain people" involved when it comes to Pentagon contracts.

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I was'nt looking for a connection. You suggested there was one. I pointed out you should not do that without linking some information that supports your claim. You still have not done that. If there is something to support it Id happily evaluate and call a spade a spade. The burden of proof is not on me, it is on you bud.

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Bud ? Lol
Fair enough. This is a political discussion forum. I'm not trying to prove anything to you. The time it took you to type your post you could have easily looked that all up in google. These are all mainstream stories and all come up on the first page of results.

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Whats wrong with bud? Suggesting I should look up something you are claiming is absurd. Have a good night, buddy. Better?

US Nuke Chief Andrew Hugg was just ESCORTED out of the Pentagon around 1 hour ago. Hugg has been placed on LEAVE and is under investigation.

Below is the @USArmy's official comment on our new investigation. https://t.co/v42jSvaaLN pic.twitter.com/xU5rA80Rfq

— James O'Keefe (@JamesOKeefeIII) April 21, 2026

If you ever think you're dumb just remember theres a government official out there giving secrets to strangers on camera

AGHouston11 said:

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Never mind, this war is like Texas Weather. Don't like the news? Just wait 10 minutes.

This we can all agree on!

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We can agree on that
Deadline just extended again!

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Sounds like indefinitely until agreements are agreed upon.

Iran now has quite a bit of leverage on the world and they know it. Hell, everyone knows it now.

Eliminatus said:

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AGHouston11 said:

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AgFan1974 said:

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Never mind, this war is like Texas Weather. Don't like the news? Just wait 10 minutes.

This we can all agree on!

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We can agree on that
Deadline just extended again!

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Sounds like indefinitely until agreements are agreed upon.

Iran now has quite a bit of leverage on the world and they know it. Hell, everyone knows it now.

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Except a huge swath of posters on here… Iran will always have leverage over the straight based solely on their geography. There is no getting around it.

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Eliminatus said:

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AGHouston11 said:

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AgFan1974 said:

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Never mind, this war is like Texas Weather. Don't like the news? Just wait 10 minutes.

This we can all agree on!

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We can agree on that
Deadline just extended again!

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Sounds like indefinitely until agreements are agreed upon.

Iran now has quite a bit of leverage on the world and they know it. Hell, everyone knows it now.

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Except a huge swath of posters on here… Iran will always have leverage over the straight based solely on their geography. There is no getting around it.

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Arguably they don't even need a nuke. They now know how much power they have with the strait.

No reason in the world for an extension.

Anyone with brains can see that Iran is just stalling.

Pretty clear that Trump just wants this all to go away.

He is an idiot for starting this and then backing away from it.

He is leaving Iran in a much stronger position than before, even though we have blasted them in many ways.

No, he isn't. He's destroyed their military and killed their leadership.

I like this guy's videos. If his take is correct though, we are not winning.

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He's destroyed their military and killed their leadership.

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Yeah and we "obliterated" their nukes in June.

…yet here we are extending the ceasefire.

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I like this guy's videos. If his take is correct though, we are not winning.

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Preston Stewart is Ukraine biased and hates President Trump so take what he says with a grain of salt and know his biases.

We have another Aircraft carrier that I believe will arrive later this week.

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bigtruckguy3500 said:

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I like this guy's videos. If his take is correct though, we are not winning.

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Preston Stewart is Ukraine biased and hates President Trump so take what he says with a grain of salt and know his biases.

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He's definitely pro-Ukraine, anti-Russia. But I never got the vibe that he was anti-Trump. I felt he gave praise when it was due and called people out when necessary. Regardless, I don't feel like anything he said in his video is incorrect.

Preston is definitely Anti-Russia. Not sure what that has to do with this though.

He is also one of the most unbiased geopolitical commentator I have seen in some while. Until this war. Though, he never actually speaks out against Trump. If we listen to his actual context it is just pure frustration at the whiplashing our admin is showing in our conduct and aims in this conflict. He covers this stuff at a high level and is immersed in it daily, so I can see his POV. Lord knows I feel it myself.

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Preston is definitely Anti-Russia. Not sure what that has to do with this though.

He is also one of the most unbiased geopolitical commentator I have seen in some while. Until this war. Though, he never actually speaks out against Trump. If we listen to his actual context it is just pure frustration at the whiplashing our admin is showing in our conduct and aims in this conflict. He covers this stuff at a high level and is immersed in it daily, so I can see his POV. Lord knows I feel it myself.

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Yeah, I think he's showing frustration at things Trump does or says. Like shutting off Intel to Ukraine, or the possibility of manipulating the markets and people making huge sums of money from what is likely inside trading.

But I agree that he covers the basics pretty unbiased overall.

The Hormuz crisis is hitting Europe hard. Lufthansa is canceling 20,000 flights through October: "Only essential routes." pic.twitter.com/66Er5FFPKj

— RadioGenoa (@RadioGenoa) April 22, 2026

Tik-tok, tik-Tok......Trump is running out of time to wrap this excursion up.

He and Bibi set this in motion. Can't blame Biden for this.......

JUST IN: Iran has taken custody of two ships after opening fire in the Strait of Hormuz, Iranian media says.

The Panama-flagged MSC Francesca and Liberia-flagged Epaminondas are now being brought to Iran by the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps. pic.twitter.com/XgUAmxBYNK

— Fox News (@FoxNews) April 22, 2026

Sounds like a Europe problem to me.

No one is blaming Biden for stopping Iran from completing their nuclear weapons development program, and those Europeans are not our allies nor are their energy problems our problem.

We'll continue to sell them what fuel/oil/gas we can afford to out of the goodness of our hearts, though another of their major suppliers has announced they are terminating shipments to Germany in May. The Euro's just have to deal with the consequences of their actions/decisions, imho.