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pecan tree health question

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oh no
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1 & 3 have lost nearly all leaves except for top canopy on 1. 2 still has a lot of leaves.

4 has some leaves, especially on top, but a whole section is full dead leaves not fallen.

My question is on #4- is it in decline or dying? None of the other pecans on property, including the other three large mature ones captured in this picture, have a dead ass section like that


two1993ags
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Looks like a broken limb on 4.
oh no
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There is a broken limb suspended up there, but the dead section of leaves are attached to the tree and not the broken limb


I'm looking at and listening to a wood pecker in 4 right now. Does that mean there's worms or bugs in the tree that could be killing it?
two1993ags
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Woodpecker could indicate decay. If it's a sapsucker not too concerned. Hard to diagnose via photos-easy to throw opinions at it.

Pecans are one of the highest maintenance trees in this part of the world. Those dead leaves look to be matted down to me-did the broken limb fall in that area? Can you get a zoomed in pic of that area?
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I went back down to that part of the property yesterday, but forgot to take a closer picture..

..but re: "highest maintenance trees"... I've got a few dozen, including about a dozen large mature ones like the ones above, bunch of younger / growing medium sized ones, and countless saplings. ...all in the wild. no maintenance to my knowledge, but I've only had the property for one year. ...should I be doing any "maintenance"? If so, what?


yesterday, I cleaned up and hauled off fallen limbs under these 4 plus a few others in this area I call the "pecan grove" on the property so when the ground dries up I can shred the brush around and under them and clean up the area. I also pulled down some old mature 1-3" thick woody vines off some of them (seemed dead, but probably old poison oak or ivy?).. not sure if I should be pulling vines off the trees or not, but I thought it might help them breathe and take competition for nutrients away from them.

I'd love to be able to harvest some pecans for my own personal use. I think I read that whitetail don't really prefer pecan relative to other food sources, but will eat them. I think all the hog rooting around the trees indicate that they enjoy finding rotting old pecan fruit in the dirt.

I don't think there was a lot to harvest this year- too dry of a summer and fall this year? I notice very few of the mature oaks on property produced a lot of acorns as well.
two1993ags
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Maintenance was in reference to fallen limbs, aphids and susceptibility to storm damage. If not in your yard probably not that big of a concern.
oh no
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gotcha.

yeah, these mature ones seem to drop a lot of branches. I harvest the big ones for firewood.
S.A. Aggie
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The drought in the Texas hill country has decimated the native pecan and walnut trees. Water may be your only cure.
D Nauti
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If they weren't planted then most likely you'll get the tiny hard pecans that are too much work to eat. The big fat ones that you buy in a bag and cook with come from grafted trees which grows pecans that aren't native to the area. It's pretty good BBQ wood, so all is not lost.

They do prefer deep soil and lots of water. My neighborhood is a former pecan bottom on the Colorado arm of lake LBJ. The pecans on the lake front lots do best and there are a few neighbors with grafted tress who will have more pecans than they can pick up on a good year.
two1993ags
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Growing up in Fayette county my family preferred the small native pecans. Yes more work-but the flavor! We carried them to MG in Weimar to have them cracked and then shelled them ourselves.
The native tree will have significantly fewer maintenance issues and drop fewer limbs as well.
D Nauti
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two1993ags said:

Growing up in Fayette county my family preferred the small native pecans. Yes more work-but the flavor! We carried them to MG in Weimar to have them cracked and then shelled them ourselves.
The native tree will have significantly fewer maintenance issues and drop fewer limbs as well.


They do seem to be self pruning. From Kingsland I would probably have to go to San Saba to find someone to do that. I believe the neighbor with the grafted mini orchard, took hers there.
Animal Eight 84
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Pecan trees look perfectly healthy. For pecan tree general health focus on small branches size of your index finger. How much did they grow this year, how many died back from drought or freeze.

Loss of very large limbs is common due to high winds. Big man-killer limbs will readily break, usually hanging in tree until next big wind.

Nut crop is based on stored carbohydrates. That is dependent on water availability March- October, nutrients primarily nitrogen, and crop load. If a heavy crop occurs it exhausts carbohydrates and tree may skip 1-6 years until adequate reserves are developed.

Each seed grown pecan tree has unique genetics so will drop leaves at different times.

If you manage natives the same as improved varieties they can have tremendous reliable productions.
As a minimum keep it shredded under tree once or twice a year - or heavily grazed to reduce grass competition.

Also if you fertilize a hay meadow with Urea in April or May make a few passes around those pecans every year.

A native pecan at 80 nuts a pound usually are all filled out and have high oil content so find a ready commercial market for confectionery pecans. Unfortunately Mexico is flooding market with cheaper nuts do prices have been very depressed.

Almost every critter eats pecans. Also they go for best quality nuts first. Highest oil content with thinnest shell. Wait until a big flock of crows takes up in orchard, literally amazing how fast they strip a tree. Or few dozen coons. Pack of Wild hogs will clean up hundreds of pounds in a week. I've seen cows literally eat themselves sick on pecans.

I raised both grafted and improved pecans commercially since 1990 and growing up learned about native pecans in my dad's 180 acre native pecan farm.
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