How does FSD navigate road closures & detours? I ran into one in a neighborhood today where I had to go up a few blocks to get around the closures and was curious what it would have done.

Also, there was a 2" dropoff due the road being paved that I had to climb, and I swung way wide to try not to scrape the stupid MYP wheels, FSD probably would've caused some damage.

Listed my 2021 Model Y AWD in Dallas - listing is on cars.com and autotrader. Still under Tesla warranty and has numerous upgrades including Acceleration Boost and new tires. Only selling because the tax credit for a new 26 was too good to pass up.

https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/a3a73c24-4995-4f54-bab9-36757a4eea71/

CarPlay in a Tesla? Immaculate vehicle. Would be excellent if 14.2 and CarPlay come in the holiday update.

https://www.macrumors.com/2025/11/13/tesla-to-add-carplay-support/

hph6203 said:

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CarPlay in a Tesla? Immaculate vehicle. Would be excellent if 14.2 and CarPlay come in the holiday update.

https://www.macrumors.com/2025/11/13/tesla-to-add-carplay-support/

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This would be great. I said earlier in the thread this is my only issue with the car. Tesla's apps can be glitchy and texting in the Tesla is a nightmare compared to how it is in Carplay.

I went to LSU Bama last weekend. Car drove me the whole way there and back from ATL to B'ham. I probably had to intervene about 5 times. A few was only because the pavement was so bad and it probably confused Tesla where to go.

Last night I took my GF to a bday dinner in Atlanta and it drove. The intersection between I-20 and I-285 has a long row of these plastic flap looking thingys because people used to always drive to right before the exit and cut in.

Tesla was in hurry mode and was hauling ass approaching the plastic dividers in the wrong lane. I had to intervene because I feared its navigation system didn't have that information about the dividers and it was going to try to cut over like the others used to do.

They added more sensitivity to road hazards in V14.1. Hopefully dialed back to the appropriate level in 14.2.

Lots of blowing leaves memes on X these days.

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Lots of blowing leaves memes on X these days.

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Leaves and a pile of pinestraw have gotten me.

Only real one I've had was from an American Beauty style attack from a plastic bag. It was vicious and thankful it was avoided.

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Lots of blowing leaves memes on X these days.

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Mine slammed on the brakes the other day and came to a full stop until that squirrel was completely across the street and safely on the curb.

FSD needs to improve on phantom road stuff. These phantom swerves for a dark patch on the road is annoying at 75mph.

Pretty niche questions here. Is anyone in Decatur? We are staying there overnight on our way from Denver to Houston and we usually stay at the Candlewood by the medical center. Does anyone know if there are chargers at that medical center? Not seeing any on a map but I know that's not always 100% accurate.

Also, I did also see there was a Supercharger showing as under construction (possibly at a Travel America gas station? ). Anyone local know if that is close to being done? Saw on some random site that they were trenching in October for it. Usually on roadtrips I'll go to a Supercharger in the morning, plug in, get my run in, then go back to the hotel and get my family up so that would be great if it was open.

FSD 14.2 came in just now on a "minor fixes and improvements" update, in addition to a free month trial that I hear they've done before. I subscribed one month when I bought my used Y just to see what it was like in version 13 and it was all right but we'll see if 14 is that much better that it can pry those 99 shekels from my scroogy claws. I bought this model y specifically because it has hardware 4 so I'm glad I did that just for future features.

ETA now it updated the description for the update and it shows FSD supervised version 14.2.1 which includes different arrival options, speed profiles, UI improvements, brake confirm and that's it. No new carplay from what I can see

They're doing a free month trial for everyone.

Yep, saw that. Hopefully it drums up additional sales or they lower the price

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Yep, saw that. Hopefully it drums up additional sales or they lower the price

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I don't doubt the price will be lowered sometime in the future considering it used to be a 15k option. Honestly though with how amazing it is it should be insanely expensive. It's pretty crazy how few people actually know how good it is.

I've been using Autopilot and it's an 80-20 problem they have IMO. Autopilot is pretty dang good that it's not worth the 8k ($99/mo isn't that bad though). With the price of these learning models and training likely coming down I don't see how they're going to keep justifying the cost for in my opinion incremental improvements versus the massive change that you had in the early days.

Recently I was thinking this might be something great for elderly drivers, one of the older people in my family recently gotten a wreck at age 90 something and probably shouldn't be driving, but with FSD I wonder if that time I could be extended. Tesla would never market that I bet but practically speaking I think it could be a winner ("Tesla - for those too old or too dumb to drive well!")

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Yep, saw that. Hopefully it drums up additional sales or they lower the price

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I would have totally used a black friday "pay for one full year and it comes out to $75/month" type sale. But they didn't.

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I've been using Autopilot and it's an 80-20 problem they have IMO. Autopilot is pretty dang good that it's not worth the 8k ($99/mo isn't that bad though). With the price of these learning models and training likely coming down I don't see how they're going to keep justifying the cost for in my opinion incremental improvements versus the massive change that you had in the early days.

Recently I was thinking this might be something great for elderly drivers, one of the older people in my family recently gotten a wreck at age 90 something and probably shouldn't be driving, but with FSD I wonder if that time I could be extended. Tesla would never market that I bet but practically speaking I think it could be a winner ("Tesla - for those too old or too dumb to drive well!")

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The difference between Autopilot and FSD is night and day. They aren't close to the same system. Autopilot is basically the same combo of Lane Keep Assist and Adaptive Cruise that everyone has. FSD is an entirely different animal.

Autopilot is basically a highway driving system only. Using it around town requires you to take over at red lights and stop signs, just as an example. Roads have to be well marked and, it won't change lanes or park among other things.

FSD is a complete system that can literally back out of your garage, drive you 100 miles down the road to a business in Houston and park in their parking lot with literally no intervention from you. Roads don't have to be marked or even paved.

Go check out some of the videos on YouTube that compare the various systems on the market. I've seen several that right up front exclude FSD because it's so far advanced compared to everything else. Is it worth $100/month? As I've noted in this thread a couple of times I took my Y to Colorado and back for a total of 2200 miles of which I drove about 100. Never seen anything like it. Day to day I use it when I just don't want to drive so no it's not a necessary expense. But it could do 99% of my driving if I wanted it to. Autopilot can't get close to that.

Yes...I have a Model Y and understand the difference first hand. FSD is incredible technology and I like using it. But is it worth $8k or $99/mo, I am not so sure, which was the point of my post. Looking at the statistics available it appears only 12% of total drivers are subscribed, although those in higher end cars like S and X see higher adoption rates of 50-60%. So for the budget friendlier cars it is apparently too expensive for widespread adoption.

Also, while there may be a wide gap between them and the next competitor, the gap in perceived performance is closing in my opinion and Tesla's recent improvements are smaller in scale compared to the first leap to FSD to begin with. So people may be less inclined to pay for the "Ferrari" of FSD and simply go with the Autopilot or another maker altogether since it's becoming more common, even if Tesla is the gold standard.

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Yes...I have a Model Y and understand the difference first hand. FSD is incredible technology and I like using it. But is it worth $8k or $99/mo, I am not so sure, which was the point of my post. Looking at the statistics available it appears only 12% of total drivers are subscribed, although those in higher end cars like S and X see higher adoption rates of 50-60%. So for the budget friendlier cars it is apparently too expensive for widespread adoption.

Also, while there may be a wide gap between them and the next competitor, the gap in perceived performance is closing in my opinion and Tesla's recent improvements are smaller in scale compared to the first leap to FSD to begin with. So people may be less inclined to pay for the "Ferrari" of FSD and simply go with the Autopilot or another maker altogether since it's becoming more common, even if Tesla is the gold standard.

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Got, that makes more sense. My personal opinion is that the gap is still measured in years, maybe as many as 10 of them. From where we are today it appears only Mercedes is close and they are way, way behind in that their system is basically Waymo where the roads have to be extremely well mapped and marked and it only works is predetermined geofences. I actually had my Y drive me down a gravel road in a cornfield in Kansas a couple of months ago. It'll be never before Mercedes would do that. I'm not saying that's the gold standard but per the nav system it was the most direct path so it took it. We laughed the whole 6 miles and let it do it's thing.

Is it worth $99/month? good question. I use it consistently, really just depending on mood and where I'm going. What's interesting to me is that I meet almost nobody that's even aware of what it can do meaning i think we haven't even approached peak utilization. At some point other manufacturers are going to have to catch up or sign up meaning license FSD. I think a decade from now every new car will have a similar system or this system at which point 12% is likely 5x higher than it is today. 20 years from now this will be the norm and driving yourself will be for whatever they call boomers in 2045.

It's a fascinating thing to see unfold!

I moved the FSD from my HW3 to new Y, then tried autopilot for the first time on HW3. It was night and day different than FSD. It was almost unusable because it was so jerky in stop and go traffic. And with needing to manually change lanes, it required far more attention and focus than FSD. I wouldn't say it's 80/20. More like 20/80.

Have been really surprised on the delta between HW3 and HW4 with the new FSD 14.2. The difference between FSD 12 and 13 was noticeable but didn't seem to justify more $$$ to get to FSD 13. FSD 12 had almost all of the utility of FSD 13 but not quite as smooth and required more effort taking off and parking given no touch to drive.


The gap in FSD 12 versus 14 is much bigger and worth quite a bit of $$$ to upgrade. Drove 1000 miles over the holiday on FSD 14 mad max and it made great time and was noticeably more comfortable (smoother) and required less intervention and supervision.

Hopped in my wife's X yesterday for a quick jaunt to NOLA and quickly realized she hit a curb and put a pinhole in the passenger rear tire so I had to actually drive there. As always, 10 was ate up with traffic.

Stupid HW3 making me have to park myself.

The thing I noticed with the recent update is it is slower, even in Mad Max mode.

Also, an annoying thing here in Georgia is that we have "Minimum Speed 40 mph" signs that are identical in shape, size, color, etc.. to the speed limit signs. It scares the crap of me when it changes the speed limit down from 70 to 40 on the interstate. The Tesla only reduces the speed by 5 mph, but it is a jolt and scares you.

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The thing I noticed with the recent update is it is slower, even in Mad Max mode.

Also, an annoying thing here in Georgia is that we have "Minimum Speed 40 mph" signs that are identical in shape, size, color, etc.. to the speed limit signs. It scares the crap of me when it changes the speed limit down from 70 to 40 on the interstate. The Tesla only reduces the speed by 5 mph, but it is a jolt and scares you.

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So you see it driving slower than before the update? That's interesting because I've seen the opposite. Pre-update I generally stayed in Hurry mode whether on the high or around town. Now I do Hurry on the highway and Chill around town. The willingness to do 30% above the limit around town is too fast for my comfort in Texas where tickets are targeted at 10% or more over. What I've noticed on the highway is Hurry does 82 and will float some but Mad Max is pegged at 85 and seems to be wishing it could go faster.

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Hopped in my wife's X yesterday for a quick jaunt to NOLA and quickly realized she hit a curb and put a pinhole in the passenger rear tire so I had to actually drive there. As always, 10 was ate up with traffic.

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Happy ending, I found a brand new 22" rear tire for $350 off so no major complaints

Yes, mine has been slower since the update. I almost never put it in Mad Max before, and now it seems like I'm in that or Hurry most of the time. Maybe it reset the other settings, i.e., offset too?

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Yes, mine has been slower since the update. I almost never put it in Mad Max before, and now it seems like I'm in that or Hurry most of the time. Maybe it reset the other settings, i.e., offset too?

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Mine was driving way too fast, and the offsets didn't seem to work properly. On standard, it would sit at like 74 (in a 70), then on hurry it would be like 82. Mad Max was almost always 84-85.

My preference would be to be able to set a preferred speed and then have the car stay within that variance, exceeding or slowing only when conditions dictate. For me, that ideal speed is 10% over. Enough for a ticket, but not enough for a massive fine. I wasn't trying to get Tesla to walk me into a $500 ticket.

Anyway, it seems to be much better now, with hurry staying sub 80.

I also recently drove my Nissan Titan truck for the first time in a long time. Aside from being bothered by the relatively ginormous size, I also forgot to put it in park twice and got out of it without turning it off.

You definitely get used to driving the Tesla.

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Yes, mine has been slower since the update. I almost never put it in Mad Max before, and now it seems like I'm in that or Hurry most of the time. Maybe it reset the other settings, i.e., offset too?

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Interesting. I'm taking mine to Fredericksburg this weekend. I'll pay attention to how it handles speed on the way there and around town from winery to winery.

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I also recently drove my Nissan Titan truck for the first time in a long time. Aside from being bothered by the relatively ginormous size, I also forgot to put it in park twice and got out of it without turning it off.

You definitely get used to driving the Tesla.

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My wife is laughing because I just had the exact same experience with her Cadillac a couple of weeks ago. Told her I can't help it her car is so archaic. Absurd I have to push a button to turn the damn thing on and off.

One thing I noticed in the FSD trial, is when I get on the freeway and activate FSD, it wants to slow waaaay down until I hit the accelerator or toggle between Hurry & Mad Max.

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I also recently drove my Nissan Titan truck for the first time in a long time. Aside from being bothered by the relatively ginormous size, I also forgot to put it in park twice and got out of it without turning it off.

You definitely get used to driving the Tesla.

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My wife is laughing because I just had the exact same experience with her Cadillac a couple of weeks ago. Told her I can't help it her car is so archaic. Absurd I have to push a button to turn the damn thing on and off.

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And have to press the garage door opener button, seat heat button, steering wheel heat button, and carry around a key fob like a GD savage.

The ONLY thing I absolutely hate about the Tesla is the turn signal indicator buttons. I can never remember which is which. Bring back the stalk or at least put one button on each side of the steering wheel.