Yeah the Rangers are just trying to get to relevance status. They shouldn't say a word about anything.PhatMack19 said:
From that other threadPatriotAg02 said:
Astros desperate to remain relevant.
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Astros fans are spoiled.
At some point you go all in when you have a shot at winning today.
Look at Ranger fans jerking off because their team put up half a season of relevance after years in the wilderness.
At some point you go all in when you have a shot at winning today.
Look at Ranger fans jerking off because their team put up half a season of relevance after years in the wilderness.
This. You try and win this year amd next and if you think you can't sign Tuck you trade him then for a haul.
Reality is we are going for it this year and next because like it or not, the window is finally starting to close. I'm ok with it as the time is now. Cement the dynasty
Astros went from smartest to dumbest in baseball.
Sexy.
Astros rotation:
— Brian McTaggart (@brianmctaggart) August 1, 2023
Justin Verlander
Framber Valdez
Cristian Javier
José Urquidy
Hunter Brown
J.P. France
Except you're missing one thing.....JV comes with Kate....Kate rally boobs can be solely attributed to several playoff winsFarmer1906 said:
I am 100% excited about getting JV back. He's exceeded my expectations this season with his recent run of good starts. However, he is still declining and I would expect him to further decline over the next 2 years. Giving up Gilbert & Clifford for him feels like way too much even if the Mets cover the majority of the remaining money. I **** on Arlington for overpaying for an aging arm and I think this is similarly bad. JV >>> Max though. I hope JV proves me wrong.
Aggie95 said:adding JV won't do that. This team desperately needs another bat (or 2) and bullpen help.409Texag said:
Win another championship and I won't gaf about Gilbert and Clifford. Win now baby
Desperately needs another bat? I'm not so sure about that what bat are you replacing in the current lineup that's currently available on the market that makes this team better than what Justin Verlander does
Im looking for Ray Finkle.... and a clean pair of shorts. Im just a very big Finkle fan. This is my Graceland, sir.
MAGA
MAGA
Yes it stings. No way to deny that
But remember these are prospects.
Remember back to guys like Frances Martes, Whitley, Derek Fischer, etc that we didn't wanna give up and considered out untouchable?
But remember these are prospects.
Remember back to guys like Frances Martes, Whitley, Derek Fischer, etc that we didn't wanna give up and considered out untouchable?
Everyone’s gonna piss and moan for Astros praise, but (cheating aside) they are everything you should want your organization to be. They draft and develop stars, pay their stars to stay, sign free agent stars, trade for stars and go for it when they’ve got a shot to win it all.
— Jared Carrabis (@Jared_Carrabis) August 1, 2023
How do you feel about what the Astros gave up (Gilbert & Clifford) for Verlander?
— Texags Poll Account (@TexagsA) August 1, 2023
Still need a bat, and another BP arm would be nice, too.AggieJ2002 said:
Reality is we are going for it this year and next because like it or not, the window is finally starting to close. I'm ok with it as the time is now. Cement the dynasty
Prospects are crapshoots. GIlbert and Clifford look great on paper, but at one point so did Seth Beer and Mark Appel... I know what JV brings to the table, to the city, and to the clubhouse. Let's win another ring and cement the dynasty.
4 Months? If he pitches 140 innings next season it will be the next 2 years most likely. The pitching situation changed drastically from the beginning of this season. JV is much more valuable to us now than he was then.Mathguy64 said:
So if the Mets aren't covering a massive part of this contract that means Crane effectively gave the Mets 2 top players for renting JV for 4 months. He could have just given JV the contract last winter and kept the players. That's a huge error.
7nine
I will say- I think this says a lot about how much Crane trusts Dana to rebuild the farm system quickly.
Sex Panther said:
Prospects are crapshoots. GIlbert and Clifford look great on paper, but at one point so did Seth Beer and Mark Appel... I know what JV brings to the table, to the city, and to the clubhouse. Let's win another ring and cement the dynasty.
So did Alvarez, Bregman, & Tucker.
It's okay to not be happy about paying the price we did and be pumped to bring back the legend and help us make another title run.
htxag09 said:Except you're missing one thing.....JV comes with Kate....Kate rally boobs can be solely attributed to several playoff winsFarmer1906 said:
I am 100% excited about getting JV back. He's exceeded my expectations this season with his recent run of good starts. However, he is still declining and I would expect him to further decline over the next 2 years. Giving up Gilbert & Clifford for him feels like way too much even if the Mets cover the majority of the remaining money. I **** on Arlington for overpaying for an aging arm and I think this is similarly bad. JV >>> Max though. I hope JV proves me wrong.
It may be a few days before he's added to the roster, but Kate is added immediately
having JV hopefully pitching 7 innings deep is bullpen helpAggie95 said:adding JV won't do that. This team desperately needs another bat (or 2) and bullpen help.409Texag said:
Win another championship and I won't gaf about Gilbert and Clifford. Win now baby
I still want to know how much Uncle Steve is paying for
Texaggie7nine said:4 Months? If he pitches 140 innings next season it will be the next 2 years most likely. The pitching situation changed drastically from the beginning of this season. JV is much more valuable to us now than he was then.Mathguy64 said:
So if the Mets aren't covering a massive part of this contract that means Crane effectively gave the Mets 2 top players for renting JV for 4 months. He could have just given JV the contract last winter and kept the players. That's a huge error.
He's saying we could have just signed him at the start of the year and kept the prospects
BUT who would have expected Garcia and Urquidy to go down, and McCullers to stay down
Sex Panther said:
Prospects are crapshoots. GIlbert and Clifford look great on paper, but at one point so did Seth Beer and Mark Appel... I know what JV brings to the table, to the city, and to the clubhouse. Let's win another ring and cement the dynasty.
Ding
Ding
Ding
Im looking for Ray Finkle.... and a clean pair of shorts. Im just a very big Finkle fan. This is my Graceland, sir.
MAGA
MAGA
Farmer1906 said:Sex Panther said:
Prospects are crapshoots. GIlbert and Clifford look great on paper, but at one point so did Seth Beer and Mark Appel... I know what JV brings to the table, to the city, and to the clubhouse. Let's win another ring and cement the dynasty.
So did Alvarez, Bregman, & Tucker.
It's okay to not be happy about paying the price we did and be pumped to bring back the legend and help us make another title run.
ok
Chas McCormick, you are the Astros CF of the future!
— Michael Schwab (@michaelschwab13) August 1, 2023
The deal might be better in a vacuum but when you take into account the off-season where we could've just signed verlander and kept our prospects and let some other team overpay Montero, it really stinks to me. As a fan, saving on payroll by dealing prospects is a pretty ****ty trade. I dunno. I hope it works out
Steep price to pay. JV better have an H on his plaque in Cooperstown after this.
JV in the hall with an Astros cap back on the table is kinda cool too.
I'm absolutely disappointed to see Clifford go. I love him as a prospect. I'm also excited for JV to be back. Both things can be true!
I keep reminding myself about how much we cringed when we gave up that haul of prospects for Grienke. They were all very highly thought of and just about none of them ever did anything. You truly never know.
I keep reminding myself about how much we cringed when we gave up that haul of prospects for Grienke. They were all very highly thought of and just about none of them ever did anything. You truly never know.
Texaggie7nine said:4 Months? If he pitches 140 innings next season it will be the next 2 years most likely. The pitching situation changed drastically from the beginning of this season. JV is much more valuable to us now than he was then.Mathguy64 said:
So if the Mets aren't covering a massive part of this contract that means Crane effectively gave the Mets 2 top players for renting JV for 4 months. He could have just given JV the contract last winter and kept the players. That's a huge error.
The Mets rented him for 4 months.
So are we done? Any more smaller deals?
Waiting for the money to drop.
Because if we're paying a big part of that ridiculous salary for an old man who is mid in the post season at best.
That's just unreal.
Because if we're paying a big part of that ridiculous salary for an old man who is mid in the post season at best.
That's just unreal.
Are you hearing anything else? Are we done?texasaggie2015 said:
I'm absolutely disappointed to see Clifford go. I love him as a prospect. I'm also excited for JV to be back. Both things can be true!
I keep reminding myself about how much we cringed when we gave up that haul of prospects for Grienke. They were all very highly thought of and just about none of them ever did anything. You truly never know.
I wonder what the market would have been without Verlander's no trade clause. I give Crane credit for taking advantage.
texasaggie2015 said:
I'm absolutely disappointed to see Clifford go. I love him as a prospect. I'm also excited for JV to be back. Both things can be true!
I keep reminding myself about how much we cringed when we gave up that haul of prospects for Grienke. They were all very highly thought of and just about none of them ever did anything. You truly never know.
Im looking for Ray Finkle.... and a clean pair of shorts. Im just a very big Finkle fan. This is my Graceland, sir.
MAGA
MAGA
EastCoastAgNc said:Chas McCormick, you are the Astros CF of the future!
— Michael Schwab (@michaelschwab13) August 1, 2023
He's the centerfielder of now! Someone just needs to tell Dusty
While Gilbert & Clifford sting, I remember how the Astros refused to trade Jeff Juden & Scott Elarton to make playoff runs and neither of those 2 "can't miss" prospects ever developed.
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