Military Medicine Q&A

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Bungus
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Howdy, figured I'd make a page for anyone interested in military medicine for new Ags to come back to over time. I always had trouble finding upperclassmen around the Quad interested in medicine and hope to use this as a small way to pass it back.

I'm a MS1 at USUHS and am more than happy to help anyone with questions on the application process and offer my current experiences with medical school. I also applied to the Cadet to Medicine program at TAMU and can offer my experiences on that. I don't have any real world medicine experience yet since I'm a first year but I hope some older Ags can chime in and offer their experiences as well.
Souljadoc99
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Thanks for starting this thread. Retired last year, 21 years as active duty General Surgeon / Plastic Surgeon in the Army.

Happy to answer questions regarding MILMED on the active duty side. Don't know much about the reserves.
OldArmyCT
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I have a niece who did UTSW via the Army, specialized in OB/Gyn, went to Walter Reed, Bliss, ROK, Iraq, Hood and then got a fellowship in high risk pregnancies at Parkland. She has zero military bearing but absolutely loved every minute of her military time. Did general surgeon duty in Iraq and has a picture of herself in full gear on her office wall. Graduated with zero debt. Her going the military route surprised everyone BC she went to Texas Tech undergrad so she could play in a band without having to be in the Corps. She's a high risk fetal medicine doc today, still gets together with her Army buds every year.
Stringfellow Hawke
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Paramedic/Field Training and Driver Officer that will be retiring in four years. The 911 agency I work for currently hosts pararescue jumpers as part of their training. I would like to find a role working with military as an EMS instructor. Does anyone have any recommendations on the best way to pursue these roles?
bigtruckguy3500
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Where do you live? And do you mean paramedic/EMT instructor? Or what do you mean by EMS instructor?

San Antonio is the hub of most of the military's enlisted EMT/paramedic equivalent training. I think it's mostly run by active duty that go back to teach after some time at Fort Sam Houston/BAMC/SAAMC. Most base EMS/Fire is not active duty.
Stringfellow Hawke
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bigtruckguy3500 said:

Where do you live? And do you mean paramedic/EMT instructor? Or what do you mean by EMS instructor?

San Antonio is the hub of most of the military's enlisted EMT/paramedic equivalent training. I think it's mostly run by active duty that go back to teach after some time at Fort Sam Houston/BAMC/SAAMC. Most base EMS/Fire is not active duty.

I live in Houston. Instructor means that I want to leverage my years of experience as a teacher and paramedic to teach future medics/PJ's/Military personnel. I am not looking to work on an ambulance on a base or in a hospital. Instructor only.

My efforts just doing an online search have not been successful so far.
bigtruckguy3500
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Stringfellow Hawke said:

bigtruckguy3500 said:

Where do you live? And do you mean paramedic/EMT instructor? Or what do you mean by EMS instructor?

San Antonio is the hub of most of the military's enlisted EMT/paramedic equivalent training. I think it's mostly run by active duty that go back to teach after some time at Fort Sam Houston/BAMC/SAAMC. Most base EMS/Fire is not active duty.

I live in Houston. Instructor means that I want to leverage my years of experience as a teacher and paramedic to teach future medics/PJ's/Military personnel. I am not looking to work on an ambulance on a base or in a hospital. Instructor only.

My efforts just doing an online search have not been successful so far.

Oh ok. Majority of medical training is done in San Antonio. Beyond that, people will attend specific courses at different places to gain skills/qualifications - such as your experience with PJs perhaps. I know we send corpsmen through physicians to LA County for trauma training. And a lot of the civilians that work with some of these courses are retired military and get their foot in the door that way.

That being said, this is outside of my domain. Finding an E7 or above that was involved as an instructor at some point would probably be more fruitful.
BQ78
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My military job was making patients for doctors and medics
Naveronski
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BQ78 said:

My military job was making patients for doctors and medics

You were a cook?
dubi
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Naveronski said:

BQ78 said:

My military job was making patients for doctors and medics

You were a cook?

terata
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US ARMY medicine in the field, at least before I retired was 800 mg Motrin for nearly everything.
aznaggiegirl07
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Military medicine sucks… DHA sucks…
Souljadoc99
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Having seen both sides military and civilian … the grass isn't greener.
Naveronski
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aznaggiegirl07 said:

Military medicine sucks…

Nah... big disagreement there.

Having seen the work our FST's can do inside an aircraft - saving lives of people who would have probably died in the civilian world - military medicine is doing a ton of really good work that eventually trickles out into the civilian world (like tourniquets, carrying blood on an aircraft, etc).
aznaggiegirl07
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I say that because my husband was medically retired due to medical negligence from a doc I. The med group.

What they said was gout, turned out to be a bulging disk in his c spine. He just needed some imaging done, that's all but no, the doc didn't order imaging and the disk slipped and now he has bilateral neuropathy down both arms and lives in pain.

bigtruckguy3500
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aznaggiegirl07 said:

I say that because my husband was medically retired due to medical negligence from a doc I. The med group.

What they said was gout, turned out to be a bulging disk in his c spine. He just needed some imaging done, that's all but no, the doc didn't order imaging and the disk slipped and now he has bilateral neuropathy down both arms and lives in pain.




You're right. No civilian doctor has ever made a bad decision or misdiagnosis.
aznaggiegirl07
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He asked for imaging to be done. Most civilian doctors would grant you that
bigtruckguy3500
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So I know you've made up your mind, but a few things
-I don't know if your husband saw a physician or a PA, NP, IDMT, IDC, random medic, etc. I've seen plenty of servicemembers, even officers, think that physicians in the military are some sort of commissioned medic, or that their junior line medic is the equivalent of a physician.
-Even if they saw a physician, in what setting? Level of training? etc.
-I'm not sure how a diagnosis of gout can come from what I assume to be neck pain? Maybe hand pain? I don't know any physician that would come to that association. But without seeing medical records I can't say.
-How long after the request for imaging did the "disc slip" all the way? A few days? A few months? A year? How many times did he go back and state it wasn't getting better? Or did he just grumble?
-Everyone wants imaging, from the lance corporal that passed out drunk in a weird position and now has back pain, to the 20 year helo pilot that may actually have pathology. The military is essentially an HMO. MRIs are a very limited resource, and most military hospitals are running their MRI almost 24/7 to keep up with demand.
-In the civilian world, you pay a decent chunk of change for an MRI, and there are a lot more private imaging centers that are happy to take your money and crank out as many MRIs as you want - regardless of what the evidence may suggest
-Most evidence suggests conservative management unless hard signs. Usually starting with PT. Because most pain is self limited. If he continued to have worsening symptoms, this would not have been consistent with gout (again this makes little sense), and should have prompted repeat visit and potentially trying a different doc.
-You yourself use the qualifier that "most" civilian doctors would have ordered imaging. Assuming that means you understand that not all would have? Yet unless your husband went to 3 physicians and at least 2 said no to imaging, you're assuming all military physicians (assuming he even saw a physician) and military medicine sucks, and/or most would not have?

There certainly are many problems in military medicine, as there is high rates of turnover among junior medics/corpsmen, nurses, and physicians, and there is always a constant need for training - whereas in most civilian facilities you have these people that are around for decades sometimes. There are also plenty of funding issues. Continuity of care as people are constantly moved around, or deployed. The DHA is trying to separate military medicine into focusing on being ready for war, and trimming down the MTFs while deferring a lot out to the civilian sectors. And there is no incentive to squeeze in patients as DHA doesn't really care if you do more.
Aggie12B
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Military medicine in a nutshell:
Drink Water
Take Motrin
Suck it up and drive on
OldArmyCT
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In the military if you have a medical issue you're most likely going to be seen the same day. In the private sector you're lucky if it's the same month, unless you give up and go to a strip mall ER and see some guy wearing a stethoscope who speaks English as a 2nd language. And the Army IG complaint system works way better than complaining to a patient advocate. And VA disability pays way more than any civilian hospital should you exit the military with even a hangnail.which is why every Tom, Dick and Harry files.
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My FIL was part of the Navy V12 program in 1943 at Tulane to get his MD. After graduation, he was sent to San Diego to be a laundry officer and never in his 2 years got more than 2 miles from the coast. He was transferred to Camp Lejeune where he served as a pediatrician. He later worked at Ochsner for 40 years. He is still living at 100.
TalonDoc
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Short run-down on my military medicine commissioning and experience:

FTA C/O 1998 from A&M but took 5 1/2 years due to transfering from North Harris JuCo.
Commissioned under Air Force Health Professions Scholarship Program...yes not from Corps of Cadets.

Attended Univ. of Texas-Houston Med school graduating in 2005.
Internship at above from 2005-06
Attended aerospace medicine primary course at Brooks in SA, Texas Aug-Sept 2006
1st assignent at Columbus AFB, MS with 49th Fighter Squadron flight doc 2006-09
2nd assignement at Johnson Space Center in Houston as space medicine physician and deputy crew surgeon to Scott Kelly for Exp 25/26 2009-11
Anesthesiologist residency Univ. of Texas-Houston 2011-2014
Keesler AFB anesthesiologist/flight doc with Hurricane Hunters 2014-2017 (Afghanistan Oct 2015/Apr 16)
Civ anesthesiologist/USAFA reservist as Admissions Liaison Officer 2017-retirement from AF currently 2025.

I can answer any questions on the above to help those interested in military commissioning into the medical corps, USAFA, or AF pilot training.

"The duty of the fighter pilot is to patrol his area of the sky, and shoot down any enemy fighters in that area. Anything else is rubbish." — Baron Manfred von Richthofen
TalonDoc
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Aggie12B said:

Military medicine in a nutshell:
Drink Water
Take Motrin
Suck it up and drive on

And yes...in a nutshell.
"The duty of the fighter pilot is to patrol his area of the sky, and shoot down any enemy fighters in that area. Anything else is rubbish." — Baron Manfred von Richthofen
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