Italian Study: ~70% of infections under age 60 are asymptomatic

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Keegan99
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aggiederelict
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I see two categories listed on those graphs symptomatic and critical. Where is the asymptomatic portion of this?
deadbq03
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aggiederelict said:

I see two categories listed on those graphs symptomatic and critical. Where is the asymptomatic portion of this?
The white space remaining on each bar.
McKinney Ag
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Honest question, what do you take from that, assuming there is validity to the data?

It's late and my brain can't hardly process another chart and study....not that it necessarily processes it when it's not late either.

Doesn't that strengthen the case face coverings, etc? Or are.you emphasizing that the younger you are the less severe (to absent) the symptoms appear to be?
yobyob
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good to be young. worrisome that there can be so many people spreading who wouldn't know they're sick
Proposition Joe
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Yeah, chart almost seems more like bad news... Most of the under 50 crowd I feel like is pretty much not worried about this thing save for one area - unknowingly infecting others (namely their parents/grand-parents).
Keegan99
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The primary takeaway is that we have undoubtedly undercounted "cases" by a large factor, will continue to do so, and the disease is far less dangerous than presumed.
Pasquale Liucci
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Keegan99 said:

The primary takeaway is that we have undoubtedly undercounted "cases" by a large factor, will continue to do so, and the disease is far less dangerous than presumed.


Ding ding ding
Pasquale Liucci
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Really makes you wonder what is at play here that seems to provide a good chunk of the population virtual immunity
Keegan99
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Some mixture of the following seems to be occuring:

There is a large portion of the population that has a natural cross-immunity or innate immunity.

There is a huge swell of undetected cases.


The epidemic has declined much faster throughout the Western world than the threshold for herd immunity would suggest is possible. And this has occurred in countries with a variety of mitigation strategies.
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I personally know three people who tested positive, all 3 are middle aged (45-55). One only lost sense of smell; one had mild symptoms for 2-3 days plus loss of taste and smell, and one had typical symptoms of cough, fever, and being tired. It is a mixed bag with how this virus affects people.
Pasquale Liucci
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I'm thinking that the cross reactivity of immune responses to other coronaviruses have to be playing a part. Disclaimer: I have no medical background but I stayed at a Holiday Inn last night and this seems intuitive given the current dataset.
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Keegan99 said:

The primary takeaway is that we have undoubtedly undercounted "cases" by a large factor, will continue to do so, and the disease is far less dangerous than presumed.
Strengthens the case for young people to have giant orgy's without face coverings for 2 weeks. Elderly to lock up for 6 weeks. Cycle this through and get it over with so the elderly can get back on with their lives / traveling the world before it's too late.

seriously, only posters on this board could spin this into BAD news.
beerad12man
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To piggy back off keegan, no matter the country, area, state, wearing masks, not wearing masks, lockdowns, no lockdowns, etc. It seems to follow the same pattern everywhere. A really quick spike/surge (we are going through that in texas), then a steady fall afterwards long before what would be perceived as herd immunity, which indicates a very high percentage has some kind of natural immunity / defense for this. Yes, extra social distancing measures and masks might help the fall too, but I think it goes well beyond that.

I've been convinced for a long time that herd immunity will beat the vaccine, although I'll gladly take the vaccine if possible. Particularly if it prevents future waves assuming natural immunity might not last forever. To me, that's what good the vaccine will do. Not to really help much in this run of the disease, but to prevent it from flaring up in the future.
KlinkerAg11
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There seems to be something with blood type.

I think that plays a huge factor as well.
Aston94
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tamc91 said:

I personally know three people who tested positive, all 3 are middle aged (45-55). One only lost sense of smell; one had mild symptoms for 2-3 days plus loss of taste and smell, and one had typical symptoms of cough, fever, and being tired. It is a mixed bag with how this virus affects people.
And that's the three that knew they had it. For those three there are 4 or so out there with no symptoms who didn't even know they had the disease, per this study.
JamesE4
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Proposition Joe said:

Yeah, chart almost seems more like bad news... Most of the under 50 crowd I feel like is pretty much not worried about this thing save for one area - unknowingly infecting others (namely their parents/grand-parents).
I have not read the study, but it doesn't look like it says the asymptomatics are spreading the virus - just that they have it and show no symptoms. I continue to believe, like WHO said last week, that virus spread by true "asymptomatics" (not pre-symptomatics) is rare.

I also believe that innate immunity is leading to "herd immunity" at much lower levels than previously expected. In about a month, the data will be clear that this virus is receding in the U.S. no matter what we do.
Proposition Joe
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Hope so. My parents are both over 70 and have multiple underlying conditions (and one having surgery early next week), so it's been tough not to be able to be around them more.
J. Walter Weatherman
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Have no idea if the science checks out on this, but would it make sense that people who are asymptomatic would spread a version that's also asymptomatic? It seems like these bulk testing situations with pro and college teams are turning up a number of positives but basically no one actually sick.
FrioAg 00
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I also think the evidence is becoming clearer that asymptomatic people do not spread the disease.

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