Its time for him to move on...Outside the top 25 no strong finishes in the NCAA tourney..Losing to your rival baylor and texas..Time for some new blood..

I think Coach K is a great guy, but if you guys are going to crucify Denton for his mediocrity, then Coach K should have been gone some time ago. The women have never achieved anything close to what the men have and consistently finished behind baylor and texas. The asst for the women should be the head coach. They need some new blood in there to get things going. Coach K Doesnt recruit like Texas, and most certainly baylor. Thats my .02 cents

Women's tennis has now lost 6 out of 7 against Texas.

They have lost 7 in a row against Baylor.

I like Coach K but...

I thought this was going to be about Duke's Coach K...and i couldn't figure out why he should move on...

What you get with Coach K is a 25-30 ranking, 3rd maybe an occasional second in the Big 12, and one and done or 2 and through in the tournament. If you like that, then he's your man. That's all he's ever produced and all he ever will produce.

Its amazing how the guy fell into the Job high school coach at bryan them major div 1 coach..Gotta give him his due on that wouldn't happen in today's age.

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If you like that, then he's your man. That's all he's ever produced and all he ever will produce.

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I think that's about right. He's a very good - we could do much worse, but I think 25 years is a long enough sample to show you what he's going to do here.

I don't think they'll make a change, for starters because it's women's tennis and I don't think that enough people care for there to be a public outcry like there would be in a major sport. He's competitive - I think that's all Byrne is looking for there.

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He's competitive - I think that's all Byrne is looking for there.

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Inconsistent with BB's stated objectives for the AD as a whole. If true, I'll join the group to run him out of town.

His record is not exactly consistent with the "Building Champions" mantra, is it?

I hear you, but do you think we could do much better than Bobby K? I mean, men's tennis had to go with what is rumored tob be their 5th choice and although the jury is still out, I am not impressed by his results so far. What makes you think that the next hot young women's tennis coach (and by hot I mean on the rise) would want to come to College Station? Hey I love it here, but I don't see Bryan Shelton leaving Georgia Tech for A&M...or even Joey Scrivano leaving Baylor for that matter!

In all fairness, Cass was one of the best coaches in men's tennis and though he did get his teams into the top 10, the sweet 16, and a level past what Kleinecke has done - even so, Cass still couldn't get within sniffing distance of a national championship. They would have had a a hell of a team if Lester Cook had stuck around, but I digress...

I don't know about running anyone out of here -Bobby K. has done a lot for Texas A&M and deserves better than that. That said, maybe it is time for him to be offered an assistant AD job and let someone else have a shot.

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Time for a change.

Agree with Harry, Coach K has done a lot, and is a proven winning coach. The thing about college tennis, it always seems that the same teams win a NC. It has always been the same teams, mens or womens, and its pretty hard to break through to that type of recruiting. I dont think that firing Coach K would be the answer at all, but if they find the need for another coach, it would be respectful for them to put Coach K in an Asst AD position. He deserves that much.

I'm not advocating firing Coach K. I would, however, move him to an Assistant AD type position. College Tennis is ALL about recruiting. I think you could hire a younger more aggressive coach with good international connections and get us to top 10-15 overnight. We have great facilities,fan support, and academics. To be satisfied with a top 30 ranking is to be satisfied with gross underachievement.

Why is that he did his job fairly medicore for 25 years yet he should be given a cushy ad job and allowed to pull a salary and benefits? Hasn't he already done that for 25 years? I know he makes six figure along with camp money and a membership to Briarcrest..

Yet he should just be given an AD job huh? I hope you guys don't run business's they would fail quickly. How about actually someone who would be effective as an AD not just someone who is nice and ran an average major division I program.

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Someone who has spent ZERO time around Coach K on a personal leve. I will leave it at that.

..Nice guy equals cushy job nice logic..being nice and a good guy has nothing to do with that. I will leave it at that.

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R.C was a good guy maybe he should still be coach..maybe we should renew is contract and pay him 5 mil a year.

I will never understand the mind set of some aggies being a good guy and doing things right is expected not an avenue to millions and cushy jobs.

Listen a$$hat. Someone who has given 25 years to the University deserves to remain involved in some capacity if they are so inclined.

We pay Fran/other coaches millions to go away. What's the big deal paying a guy 100K/year to move over to an asst AD job?

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Listen a$$hat. Someone who has given 25 years to the University deserves to remain involved in some capacity if they are so inclined

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Prime example hope you aren't running a business dwesh b*g..Never confuse efforts with results..Maybe we should've kept on FRAN cause he dontated money to charity...you're clueless.

Ahhh Jesse.

Here is the truth bud:

Football > Women's Tennis

If Coach K's team won the national title - even 10 years running - women's tennis would still be a deficit spending sport. No matter their success, they will not earn the athletic department a single cent.

If Coach K's team won the national title - even 10 years running - women's tennis would not bring any more notoriety to Texas A&M than it currently does. Their success would not transcend into greater recruiting for other sports.

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If Coach K ran a clean-as-a-whistle program (which he does), and produces a consistently competitive team (which he does) - then he deserves to stay.

In the realm of college athletics, women's tennis at the DI level is viewed like Division II and III athletics. It is there to provide an experience for the student athlete. Anymore is icing on the cake.

Your RC comparison is hogwash. The football team (along with basketball) has the opportunity to make Aggie Athletics millions of dollars. Achieving that level of prominence in the big dollar sports DOES transcend into greater recruiting and success across the board. Thats why RC was fired. Thats why Fran was fired. You can't fiddle fck around when you coach a team that has the opportunity to impact the ENTIRE spectrum of athletics at a university.

Prime example - the Texas Longhorn athletic program. The boys that play in orange and white on Saturday's make it much easier for the rest of the sports to succeed because they provide the athletic department with the 2 things that ALL departments need for success:

1) Money from success
2) Top athletes in other sports

Top athletes follow top athletes. If you are a great athlete in a Texas high school - you want to follow the great ones. Right now, the great ones go to Texas (or leave the state) It doesn't guarantee anything - but greater success in the big sports opens doors. Period.

Honestly, its simple as that. Coach K stays because he isn't bottom of the barrel and he runs a perfectly clean program. Now, would I like for women's tennis at A&M to be top 5? Yep. But un-wad your panties, take a step back and realize why he isn't going anywhere.

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Ahhh Jesse.

Here is the truth bud:

Football > Women's Tennis

If Coach K's team won the national title - even 10 years running - women's tennis would still be a deficit spending sport. No matter their success, they will not earn the athletic department a single cent.

If Coach K's team won the national title - even 10 years running - women's tennis would not bring any more notoriety to Texas A&M than it currently does. Their success would not transcend into greater recruiting for other sports.

However:

If Coach K ran a clean-as-a-whistle program (which he does), and produces a consistently competitive team (which he does) - then he deserves to stay.

In the realm of college athletics, women's tennis at the DI level is viewed like Division II and III athletics. It is there to provide an experience for the student athlete. Anymore is icing on the cake.

Your RC comparison is hogwash. The football team (along with basketball) has the opportunity to make Aggie Athletics millions of dollars. Achieving that level of prominence in the big dollar sports DOES transcend into greater recruiting and success across the board. Thats why RC was fired. Thats why Fran was fired. You can't fiddle fck around when you coach a team that has the opportunity to impact the ENTIRE spectrum of athletics at a university.

Prime example - the Texas Longhorn athletic program. The boys that play in orange and white on Saturday's make it much easier for the rest of the sports to succeed because they provide the athletic department with the 2 things that ALL departments need for success:

1) Money from success
2) Top athletes in other sports

Top athletes follow top athletes. If you are a great athlete in a Texas high school - you want to follow the great ones. Right now, the great ones go to Texas (or leave the state) It doesn't guarantee anything - but greater success in the big sports opens doors. Period.

Honestly, its simple as that. Coach K stays because he isn't bottom of the barrel and he runs a perfectly clean program. Now, would I like for women's tennis at A&M to be top 5? Yep. But un-wad your panties, take a step back and realize why he isn't going anywhere.

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Typical aggie rehtoric...guess Byrne doesn't share your view of building champions..Funny how tu booted out their old woman coach and so did baylor and they are doing great yet we hang to a nice guy...

Why don't you find out a little about the women's coach that t.u. supposedly "canned" and why don't you look at the nationality of baylor's roster before you puff your chest out and talk like you know what's what.

Personally, I like having an American team. I dont want to be known as the team of foreigners, much like many other D1 programs. Lostboy is right on, Coach K is running a consistently clean program. Top 5 would be great, but it probably wont ever happen. That is an elite group to break in to.

Jeff Moore got canned by tu because of something he was doing, that the athletic dept knew would get them in hot water with the NCAA. He was a great coach, with 2 national championships on his resume, and a trip to the finals in his last year.

As with everyone here, I would like to see us on the national scene more, but I am happy with our program and the way it is run.


And for whoever said in a previous post that they should give the team to Weaver, remember that this is his first year...Maybe someday, but not now.

JL - you keep talking a lot about running a business. Do you own a business? Just curious.

here we go again....

I will say this, we're settling for Coach K, and for those who actually care about winning in this sport please contribute to this conversation; otherwise go support basketball, football, or baseball and leave the concerns to us(those who actually want a championship w tennis team and not just a competitive one).

I could care less that Coach K is a nice guy, I like him, I do. But If i were his boss i would have fired him by now, because our fans deserve better. Where else in the country can you get fan support for WOMEN'S TENNIS like we have here?!! The answer is no where. We should be able to attract top talent and championships, but all we are getting is a 2nd round ncaa result and choke jobs when the big XII champship is on the line.

On another note, don't you guys think the only reason that K is still here is because our other AD's didn't give a crap about any other sport than football? Hell, if we had had an AD other than byrne in the last 25 years we probably would have moved on.

Just as an aside, for those of y'all who are going to jump on the K wagon and berate me for saying it's time to move on from coach K, my opinions aren't solely based on my own observations but based on things i've heard from both past and current players on the team.

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FTAg - I agree with you about the level of support the team gets. Best in the country. But obviously, fan support doesn't mean much except to the fans. If it counted for W's - most of our teams would win national titles year after year.

Here is the thing - You have to look at this through Byrne's eyes. He is the CEO of the Aggie Athletic business. Women's tennis takes 6 digits worth of funds out of his budget every fiscal year. He can't get ride of the program (Title 9), so he has to pray for the following:

1) A team that is not a bottom dweller.
2) A clean run program.
3) A coach that understands the system.
4) A coach that benifits his student athletes.

He has it all. Do you really fire Coach K, and go through a program rebuild in hopes of taking down Texas and Baylor? No promise a new guy could do it. And there is a better chance you LOSE some of the great things Bobby brings. Its a business decision - and giving Bobby the pink slip doesn't make business sense. Simple as that folks.

You have to take off the maroon goggles. Until you do, I expect more irrational posts.

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That is called "settling." It is not a mindset supportive of "Building Champions."

Ugh. Jessielivermore is like Aggie11 w/ spellcheck.

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Then Our last 2-3 ADs have settled too. If our golf team isnt winning national championships, and volleyball hasnt gone far, among other sports, why arent they let go?

When considering the dismissal of an employee for the purpose of improving performance one has to consider if they can get someone "Better" to take the job. Some on this thread have made good points about your current coachs stability and overall ability to have a good team year in and year out.

Can you get someone better?