Anchors in Relays

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CDub06
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Something I've always wondered is why people in relays, whether it's running or swimming, place so much weight on the arrangement of the lineup. They typically place their strongest person as an anchor. Even in school when we ran track, I didn't understand this. How does this change the end result?

If there are 4 people on a team, 3 run their leg in 2 minutes and 1 runs their leg in 1:45, then no matter how you arrange them, it ends in 7:45.

Watching swimming, I began thinking about this again. I asked the others in the room, no one had an answer. So tell me TexAgs, what's the importance of the Anchor?
Dro07
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sets the tone.
Look Out Below
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If you are behind, it gives you the best chance of catching the leader
SpicewoodAg
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It is a bit different in swimming. When I swam it was always done the same way - 2nd fastest swimmer first, slowest guy 2nd, next fastest guy third, and fastest guy as anchor.

But now they do things different ways for better results.

One thing they do - and a reason to start fast - is to swim in smooth (less turbulent) water. Some coaches will line their team up fastest to slowest for this reason. Others will try to take advantage of particularly explosive swimmers - who perform really well under pressure.

Phelps doesn't do a lot of relays and some say his relay starts are not particularly good. So that is another reason to start him off.

Lezak was going last no matter what - but his draft off Bernard was masterful.
CherokeeChief24
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its because that fastest person gets a faster start and he has the ability to go even faster than his normal time...thus giving a better over all time...i was always anchor when i was still swimming and i cant tell you how many races we had to come from behind...but the last swimmer being the fastest gives you the best chance for a come back...
c-jags
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not tooting my own horn here... but speaking from a former track junkie.

but i was the fastest guy on our track team for most of my career. especially in the sprints.

For the most part I overtook somebody as the last leg, and rarely let anybody overtake me. You want your fastest leg there because if you need the speed to catch up, you want your best athlete in that position to do it.

i can't count the amount of times that I got the stick in the lead or whatever position I was, and was cruising and had some guy catch the corner of my eye and make me speed up. The slower guys on my team didn't have the burners to keep people like that off of them.

For us our second fastest was always first leg to give a good lead and our 3rd fastest as second leg.

You typically also put your weakest/slowest athlete in 3rd as they won't put you in a bad starting spot and give your anchor a chance to close the deal. In a lot of relays they're also running the shortest distance.


I know that comes off as arrogant probably, but from an athlete's perspective that's how it is.

[This message has been edited by c-jags (edited 8/13/2008 9:50a).]
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I think there's a lot of mind games being played. Each runner/swimmer knows their role. The slow guy knows he's slow, but he knows he's part of the team. "Don't lose to much ground that our ace can't bring us home." Yes 2+2+2+1:45 = 7:45, but think about the "thrill of the chase" aspect. The leader is essentially the rabbit at the dog track. When the adrenaline really gets going you want your strongest "rabbit" to have not only the athletic ability, but the mental constitution to either make the catch or stay away at the finish.
piag94
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track is totally different, especially in the 4X100

You want the best "starter out of the blocks to go first"

then the person that can navigate the turn

etc..
AustinAg2K
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A lot of it is psychological. If your best runner goes out on the first leg and blows everyone away, then most likely the other runners are going to coast, making it much easier for them to get caught. Now, obviously Olympic athletes are much different, as they are going to be able to push themselves to the limit regardless of it someone is near to them. But for the regular everyday athlete, they usually need someone to push them to go faster.
SpicewoodAg
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I understand you want the big dog last - but you guys should not underestimate how important smooth water can be in swimming. Being in front of the waves means faster.
CherokeeChief24
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being in front does not always equal faster...he has to deal with the wake of the guys behind him goign the other way for part of that...but drafting like jason did the other night means faster/easier...
CDub06
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its because that fastest person gets a faster start and he has the ability to go even faster than his normal time...


How does he get a faster start than usual? In swimming, they all dive in to begin.

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the last swimmer being the fastest gives you the best chance for a come back...


If the fast swimmer didn't swim last, then you wouldn't be behind, would you?
CherokeeChief24
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first off if the fastest swimmer goes last he gets a relay start which is at least .66 faster than a flat start...also you might not be ahead if he goes first becasue of the 2nd and 3rd guys...
SJEAg
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Times should match up regardless of order, except for the fact relay starts are faster than flat starts and require a skill to do properly. Phelps is not the best relay starter, which is one reason why he often goes first even though he may be the best in the world (in the 200 anyway). Other than that, I agree with others that you do want someone with a strong mindset and experience being anchor...I don't think the US wins the 4X100 if number 3 (or 2) and 4 were swapped.
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quote:its because that fastest person gets a faster start and he has the ability to go even faster than his normal time...



How does he get a faster start than usual? In swimming, they all dive in to begin.


It has to do with the type of start. The good relay starts in swimming actually begin the start before the swimmer touches the water.

Perfect relay starts are when the swimmer is completely stretched out over the water, but with their toes still touching the starting block while the current leg swimmer is just touching the wall. All that is required for a relay start to be legal is that a swimmer didn't completely leave the starting block before the current leg swimmer touched the wall. It can be very hard to tell as an official if it was legal or not.

Compared that to normal starts for events or the first leg of the relay. Under FINA rules, they must be "stationary", which is interpreted by USA Swimming to mean not moving forward (moving backwards is allowed).

Comparing the rules of the two, relay starts are noticably faster.
BigPapaB
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Jason Lezak split OVER A SECOND AND A HALF FASTER anchoring that relay than he did in the individual event. I can almost guarantee that had Lezak not gone last, he would not have split anywhere close to that fast.

Its about the adrenaline. The excitement of getting to race the world record holder, and then having a chance to run him down to win a gold medal and set a WR would give any swimmer the goosebumps. But everyone reacts to it differently. A veteran like Lezak is used to the pressure, and would thrive (as he did) using the adrenaline to his advantage. but a more inexperienced swimmer could choke under the pressure, or not be able to control the adrenaline and take it out way too fast and die hard (Bernard?). Every swimmer swims differently in different situations, THAT is why the order is so crucial.

some guys might be better "chasers" or "chasees", so you might set your order based on how you think the other teams will swim, which can drastically change throughout the course of the race.
Kenneth_2003
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Let's not forget now that a relay start is about that amount faster than an start called by the starter.
FAST FRED
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Running relays and swimming relays are different in lots of ways, some of which have already been described.

Here are some others:



In track you pass a baton during the race and moving that baton around the track in the the fastest and smoothest way is what you strive to do.

In swimming no baton is used.

In track there is also a 10 meter passing zone in every lane within which each baton pass must be completed.

Officials watch to see that every baton pass is totally completed within that zone, each of which is ten meters in length.

You can plan for your fastest runner to run a significant number of meters farther on his leg by having him or her receive the baton early and/or in the passing zone.

You might also plan for your slowest runner to run the shortest distance possible, by having him receive the baton late in the that leg's initial passing zone and then handing it off to the next runner early in the leg's second passing zone.

Thus your slowest runner would carry the baton for the shortest distance.

For example, if you wanted, you could have your first runner carry the baton 90 meters, your second go 120 meters, your third go 80 meters and your anchor go 110 meters, as long as all the handoffs get made just within the passing zones.

In comparison, you can't manipulate the individual distance that each relay swimmer swims.



Some runners are better coming out of a starting block than others and, of course, you want a good block starter on the first leg.

Also, you might need your second fastest runner to pass the baton to your very fastest runner because the second fastest might need that speed to more successfully match up to the fastest in order to get the baton to him without making the fastest runner delay in almost reaching his top speed because he's waiting on the baton pass from his slower team mate.

This match-up consideration is not there in swimming relays.

Making a smooth, efficient baton pass is every bit as as important as running fast.

In a pool, every swimmer must swim a fixed distance and there are no starting blocks, so the above factors don't come into play for relays in the pool.

Swimmers do need good starts and turns, they are very important, but every competitor has an equal opportunity to start and turn on his leg.

And those legs are always a fixed distance, because, in a 400 meter swimming relay for example, each swimmer goes exactly 100 meters.

In a 400 meter track relay, you could have your fastest runner run almost 110 meters, if you have him run the last leg and receive the baton early in the passing zone from a 3rd leg runner who is fast enough to pass the baton to him just as the anchorman was about to reach his top speed.

Moving the baton from the start to the finish in the smoothest, fastest way is the goal.

In swimming relays, those races in which each swimmer swims a different stroke have all the backstrokers, butterfly strokers, breast strokers and American crawl strokes swimming in a stroke specific order that each team has to follow.

You can't change the stroke order or the total distance each swimmer has to go.

In track, you can choose your running order and also significantly manipulate the distance each runner carries the baton for your team.



In track, you could start with a good block starter who runs a good curve handing off to a slow second runner late in the first passing zone.

The second runner could hand off to your second fastest runner early in the next passing zone.

That third runner could use his top speed to efficiently get the baton to your very fastest runner, just before that runner reached top speed to anchor the race.



Or a good block starter could pass the baton after 90 meters early in the first passing zone to your fastest runner, who could then carry the baton about 120 meters to nearly the end of the next passing zone before handing off to your third and slowest runner early in the next passing zone.

That runner could carry the baton only about 80 meters on the third leg before handing off to the final runner, who you hope has enough speed as your second fastest to anchor your team home over the last 110 meters.



All this decided after considering who can run curves at their top speed and who are the best at handing off and/or receiving the baton, since your first and last runners are involved in only one baton pass rather than two.



Or, if your fastest runner is also your very, very best block starter, he could go first and carry the baton almost 110 meters and then ......



Such running relay manipulation and leg placement might be called either good coaching or over thinking, depending on how successfully your athletes carry out your plan.




Gig 'em, FAST FRED '65.

Before the world wide web, village idiots usually stayed in their own village.

[This message has been edited by FAST FRED (edited 8/18/2008 12:22a).]
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