A&M v. SMU

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pludo
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Thoughts?

The relays went pretty fast for this time of year.
Anybody got any idea whether SMU were rested? If so, their times were very unimpressive.

As a side note, where is Loncaric?

[This message has been edited by pludo (edited 12/4/2010 5:14p).]
SpicewoodAg
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Any link to results?
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I believe Loncaric is injured. Even with our best diver not there, our #2 diver whiffing on a dive, and no Loncaric, SMU got their asses handed to them like I haven't seen us do to them in a long time. I'm very surprised at how average SMU was, but to our guys' credit we helped make them look that way. We're ranked, they're not and we proved why today. Makany and Omar looked great out there (among others).
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word on the street is they were "suited up" (obviously doesn't mean the same as previous years) and rested. Talk about domination for the guys. SMU might not be ranked, but they've always given us trouble in the past, or at least made it close. The Ags just flat ran away with this one. Anyone know when the last time we had to exhibition swims at the end of the meet vs SMU was? I know its been longer than 5 years, thats for sure...
AGBlastoff
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You're probably right 09. Before the last two years (where they were 1 point meets), SMU actually dominated us more, and we were the team trying to keep it close for a few years (IIRC). It shows that this program is starting to make that move to the next level where we can beat inferior teams when they give us their best shot...it's sort of what they say about college football teams. The truly great ones handle their business and play well regardless of the competition, versus the "good" ones that have a bad habit of playing down to their competition.

Great win!

PS, as 09 alluded to, "suited up" doesn't have nearly the same weight as it used to...

For Spice:
http://www.aggieathletics.com/sports/m-swim/stats/2010-2011/2010-tam-smu-results.html
AGBlastoff
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And to answer the question asked before, after looking more closely at the times, it doesn't seem as though SMU rested for this meet, at least not as much as they have in years past. Beginning last year I belive, this meet moved up about 2 months in the season, which could affect the way both teams approach it...
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I would guess SMU rested more for the Houston Invite? Maybe they tried a double rest and it wasn't too good? I don't know...
proudtoknow
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wow
anyone else impressed by the performances (by both men and women) at the UT invite???
did you all attend our meet? any thoughts about the differences?
proudtoknow
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sorry -always click on the wrong imoticon
SpicewoodAg
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Proudtoknow - the times at the UT invite were very fast overall. It was a Texas/Arizona contest as I think most expected. Sogar showed she is the leading women's breaststroker at the moment with two outstanding swims. I think Dax Hill is a rising star for Texas - he was very close to Feigen in the 100 free and beat Dave Walters. Dax's relay splits were outstanding (19.33 and 42.64) - which shows how much of a racer he is.

Alyssa Anderson (I had never heard of her before) for Arizona had some outstanding freestyle swims.

It was also interesting that no one was close to Sarah Henry's 400 IM time at the GT meet. I would say at this point that A&M is better than Texas girls at longer freestyle races, worse at the sprints. Our girls will be very competitive in back and fly, and I don't think we have seen Larson's best yet.

As for our men vs. SMU - it is rather surprising how far ahead we were this year. They have always given us a very difficult dual meet.

As for suited up - I would want to know if they shaved. The suits are not very meaningful any more.
pludo
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IM relay: is it just me or do the Aggies have got a lot of work to do?

I don't think Lindau's split is anywhere near as fast as Loncaric's, and if he really is injured, somebody definitely needs to step into his shoes. Anybody know how well Lindau tapers?
Any word on whether Loncaric is redshirting? He hasn't swum yet this year.

As for breast, Snowden and Lavery are .01 away from each other and its nice to see guys battling for that spot. Hermes looks to be the filler in for next year when they graduate.

Backstroke is still a problem. Anybody know what Ariens goes shaved and tapered?
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As for breast, Snowden and Lavery are .01 away from each other and its nice to see guys battling for that spot. Hermes looks to be the filler in for next year when they graduate.
don't forget about Amini, he will be a senior next year, and is the same speed as Lavery/Snowden in the 100

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Backstroke is still a problem. Anybody know what Ariens goes shaved and tapered?
Ariends went 48low/145low last year at conference if im not mistaken. the dude tapers like a beast. That being said, 48 for the backstroke leg of a medley relay at NCAAs isn't gonna cut it. Hopefully Ariens will drop even more this year (no reason to think he wont) or Amini can step in to the backstroke role for the relays (since we have the depth at breastroke to afford to move him if he is the fastest)
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I wanna say that Lindau has gone a sub-47 converted 100 fly (not sure if that was textile or rubber though).

Ariens was a 48.7 at Big 12's last year in the 100 back.

We knew that backstroke was going to be a tough stroke this year. Schweitzer could be a good backstroker, but I believe in the junior ranks he was more of a 200 specialist than 100.
pludo
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Let's hope Lindau can drop some time this year, they definitely need him to.
Ariens will need to drop time in that 100back. You're right texagg09, 48 won't cut it at NCAAs.

Didn't realize Fonua out touched him in that 400Medley relay. Han also almost outsplit Lindau. Says on the roster he's a Back/Fly swimmer, anybody know what he can go tapered in a 100back?

I'm confused the roster says Fonua's a Breast/IM, are the ags doing this to fool other teams? His 200IM was very unimpressive.
AGBlastoff
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I think Fonua is a natural breaststroker, but as an IM'er, I think he's one of those guys who can excel at a lot of different individual strokes too. Right now, we've got such a logjam at breaststroke, it's probably a waste to have a swimmer as good as him sit as a third breaststroker (not necessarily third best, but just third of very similar levels) rather than, say, a second backstroker.

But that's just my guess. Probably not much value to using the rosters to try and fool other teams, since those strokes are usually done in a breeze by a coach before they get to campus as freshmen and never changed, so nobody takes them too seriously I don't think.

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Fonua has a 1:49 IM from last year and a 54.27 100 breast. Those are all good times. He was nowhere near those times against SMU. Fonua may be one of those guys that taper very well but swim slow in mid-season.

Omar, like a lot of distance guys, seems to swim fast most of the year.

I agree being 3-deep in breast doesn't help us much.
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Amini doesnt really have a weak stroke, that's why he is such a good IMer, but yes, usually it doesnt come to full shape until he is tapered. If I remember correctly he semi-finaled in the 100back at the PanAm Games (whichever international meet was this summer, i forget), as well as the 100 breast. They are gonna want to see what he is capable of in the 100bk (and the 50 for that matter) in season, before they decide who to put on the relay at the end of the year. If they think he will go significantly faster than Ariens, and wont drop that much from going with Lavery/Snowden at breast, then you betcha thats the combo theyll go with. Trouble is, with Amini being much more of an "end of season" swimmer, itll basically be a crapshoot as to them guessing how fast they think he will go. Theyve guessed right like that in the past, and theyve screwed it up before too, so who knows.

As for Han, he has great underwaters, so he should develop into a good fly/back guy. if i remember correctly he had a rough freshman in-season, and swam a lot faster when he tapered. Hopefully now that he has fully adjusted to the collegiate program he will can step it up another level as a Sophomore.
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"Ariens was a 48.7 at Big 12's last year in the 100 back"

In prelims he was 48.2 and 1:45.3. Both of his finals times were slower though.
AGBlastoff
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Didn't think to look at prelims. Good call.

They've got some tough decisions to make in terms of that backstroke leg; can't imagine that it's easy. That's why they make the big bucks though, right?

It still hurts that they didn't pick up a guy like Cooper Robinson (who ended up committing to TCU of all places)...that would've been a much needed boost on the backstroke legs. 49.0 already as a junior...

Han was voted his team's hardest worked in HS. That's gotta bode well for his chances to show big improvement, no?
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No way that Troskott can swim a fast 50 back?

A lot of 50/100 free guys can sprint backstroke. Good walls and explosive power can be enough to overcome otherwise mediocre stroke in a 50.
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i think troskot is definitely an option for the 50bk (or 50 fly for that matter?), but the question is whether or not they lose too much by taking him off the free leg of that relay? I know dalton had a smokin fast 50 last year, but if he improves, there is a chance they could need him on the other 4 relays more than the 2medley. And if troskot swims as fast as i think they expect him too, the next fastest 50 freestyler this year wont be close enough to him to warrant moving him to another leg of that relay
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You're right - the tradeoff would have to be better than losing him on the freestyle leg.
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Its funny to see how far Snowden, aka "Snowflake" or "Sweet Pea" has come since he started 4 years ago. Another example of the way the coaching staff develops the local recruits who are underrated coming out of high school. Who would have thought 4 years ago that Bryan Snowden would be a captain on a potential top 10 A&M squad, and would be one of the NCAA caliber breastrokers battling for a Medley Relay spot at NCs. Very impressive. Jay (I would add Doug, but Snowy isn't much of a sprinter and I would speculate that he didn't spend much time working directly with Doug) has done a great job with him. I'm sure he worked hard along the way and did all the right things and all that mushy stuff too.

I'd be shocked if they put Troskot on the 200MR swimming anything other than freestyle. Like 09 said, he is the 50 "stud", and you gotta stick to your guns, especially as a freshman. Its one thing to switch a junior or senior to a secondary stroke for a relay, once they have a couple years of good training under their belts. But with a freshman its too risky. Troskot does nothing but freestyle at practice I bet, so to just throw him in there at the end of the season in another stroke probably wouldn't be as good as everyone thinks. I'm not saying he couldn't put up a decent 50 fly or back, but I would hope we have another guy who can go as fast as (hopefully faster than) that, and we can keep him on the relay for what he was recruited for. Switching a junior IMer (Amini) over to muscle out a 50 back when he has solid underwaters and a good stroke is much different than throwing a drop dead freshman 50 freestyler in there. It might not seem like a huge difference, but the training style of a freshman and a junior are much more different than you'd think, not to mention the difference in their stroke specialties.

That being said, Troskot has a TON of work to do to get to the level they want (and need) him at. He is one of those guys that is built for long course, watching him swim makes it painfully obvious. He can outswim just about anyone in the pool, but his start and turns kill him. It reminds me of Casey Strange in his earlier years, before he improved his start and turns. The guy outswims everyone between the walls, but gets so brutally abused on the walls that he can't make up the difference (though Casey always came darn close, and sometimes pulled it off). As long as Troskot can adjust to the teachings of Dougy-B and get his turns and start better (like Casey did), the dude is gonna rock the house hard for 4 years.

Its crazy to me to see the turnaround in the program after a few years. 4 years ago if you had told me that the Aggies were gonna flat dominate SMU (or anyone for that matter) in the 1000 and 200 frees, I would have laughed at you, and told you to chop a zero off of each of those numbers before I would believe it, and even then its iffy. The strength we have developed in the longer events is probably making Jay wet his pants with excitement. For a program that has always been considered a "sprint only" program, we sure do have the distance depth. The trick will be developing that distance depth to compete at the NCAA level. Not having the sprinters we used to is going to hurt for those NCAA relays. Instead of always scoring big points in the 200FR and 200MR at NCs, we are going to be relying more on the 800FR now, much more so than ever before. Complete reversal of the past few years. Used to be we would get to the meet with our 200FR, and have our 50 freestylers try and fake a fast 200 to make the 800 FR competitive. This year it looks like our 200 freestylers are going to be faking their 50s, unless we really have some guys step up. I definitely think we will be better than last year overall, its just hilarious to me that we are going to do it in a completely different way.
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It's definitely quite a turnover that they've shown in the longer races...I remember threads on her talking about how laughable the 800 free relay was compared to the rest of them...and then last season, I think we were one of the few teams in the country with 5 relay A cuts (or first time in a few years we've done it, or something of that nature that was impressive because of the 800, can't remember exactly what it was.) Enriquez is definitely huge in the distance groups---dude broke all of the school records 400y or longer as a freshman.

Reminds me of what Casey HZ and Melissa Hain did on the girls side-Broke all of the distance records early, and the level of recruits there we are pulling in now have taken it to a whole new level even from there. Hopefully the guys follow the same pattern!

In terms of Troskott swimming other strokes, a lot of sprinters are just sprinters, and can do anything (Terese Alshammar is one example). I also agree that often that doesn't come until later in their careers. Troskott did swim the 50 fly at Canadian Nationals over the summer I think, so it's not completely foreign to him. Wouldn't surprise me if he's training it some. In the past, the coaches have totally scratched swimmers from individual events to rest them for relays...I don't think it'd be too much of a stretch for them to put some of these guys in 2 individuals and 5 relays instead of 3 and 4. Although we're getting more to the level of swimmer that it won't pay off to scratch individuals points-wise, they're still young enough where not stretching a Troskott into a 2nd stroke makes sense. I'd expect by his sophomore season though that the 100 butterfly will become his 3rd individual like most of the other top sprinters (Feigen, Adrian, Schneider).

I mean, the 200 medley is a whole different animal than anything else in short course. Best walls wins. If you take the swimmer with the best walls in the world, and he doesn't swim a 50 backstroke for 8 years, he will still win a 50 backstroke every time, because at the end of the day on a 50, you're only taking about...12 or 13 strokes above water? I would venture a guess that as a general rule, more matured swimmers have better walls, so I think your odds of seeing someone like a Balazs shift to backstroke (not saying he will, but as a "for example" than Troskott.

Man, was that rambling enough? No guarantees that any of it made sense. Anyone know who on the team has the best underwaters?
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a LOT of GOOD reading...
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Balazs did look like he had a great 200 back against Indian River State College, but I would think that the chances he would switch to backstroke in the 200 medley relay is the same as Brett Favre retiring from football after this year and picking up competitive swimming. If I'm wrong and Balazs swims the 50 back and Brett starts swimming this lets all hope he doesn't go commando
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and Brett starts swimming this lets all hope he doesn't go commando
favre you already know what im gonna say to this...LMFAO!!! HA HA HA HA
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Haha. You guys know that if you had Jenn Sterger's number that you'd send her pictures of your junk too.
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haha inside joke between me and favre on that one, but no worries. I wasnt even thinking about the Sterger incident, but good call!
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plus, we all know Brett Favre will never retire from football. at least not unless his bionic arm falls off!
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True story, so I'm guessing Balazs won't be swimming the 50 back on the relay. Predictions on who might be on that relay though?
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More than likely whoever's splitting faster against LSU & Texas and isn't a must-need on one of the other three legs.
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My money's gotta be on Fonua...he was almost all breaststroke training last year, and he's still showing life on back. I think if he puts some effort into it, he will be better than servicable there.

Still wondering who on the team has the best walls...
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best walls or underwaters? Nick Han has some sick underwaters, Amini's are very solid also. Other than that im too old to know much more than that! Boris has pretty good walls overall, but they have much improved from when he was a freshman.
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FWIW - at the UT invite last week, Cole Cragin split 21.92 and Cory Chitwood (AZ "B" ) split 21.63 in the 200 medley relay backstroke legs.

Mitchell Freeman (AZ "A" relay) split 21.77. So AZ has some very good backstroke sprinters.

Cragin had NCAA-level walls in high school.

[This message has been edited by SpicewoodAg (edited 12/9/2010 4:59p).]
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