Just saw that NOVAquatics from California (hosted Nationals and Pan Pacs last summer) is going to be at the College Station Sectionals meet...I know there's very strict rules about recruiting at these meets, but that's one of the best programs around coming into town. Hopefully we can parlay that into a good recruit or two in the c/o 2012.

I know of a swimmer or 2 who said that they were "noticed" at Sectionals! Before then, there wasn't much interest.

I saw Jasmine Tosky last year at Sectionals for the first time. Just 15 at the time and amazingly fast. Hopefully some of these out of state kids remember their trip to College Station.

I imagine that recruiting in swimming is different compared to football or basketball. Significantly different I am sure.

How does Bultman and Holmes approach it?

(sorry about the question, just saw the recruiting thread!!!)



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I don't have the inside info like some of these guys, but they have similarities and differences in their styles. Luckily, they both seem to be evolving to adjust to the unprecedented levels of success we have.

Holmes, recruiting a lot of Europeans, tends to get in late in the game (for instance, no c/o 2011 recruits yet), but that makes sense as I believe the European school year ends in December rather than June like it does here. He's big into finding guys that he doesn't have to compete too hard for, because he knows they'll be a perfect fit for his program, and that other coaches might see them as too much of projects or whatever.

Bultman is definitely pushing into the upper level of recruits with a swimmer like Henry, though still is sticking to his MO of taking that sort of second-tier recruit and turning them into top-tier collegians.

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Holmes, recruiting a lot of Europeans, tends to get in late in the game (for instance, no c/o 2011 recruits yet), but that makes sense as I believe the European school year ends in December rather than June like it does here. He's big into finding guys that he doesn't have to compete too hard for, because he knows they'll be a perfect fit for his program, and that other coaches might see them as too much of projects or whatever.

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Can you explain this? I'm intrigued how this works... always wondered how it was done seeing as I don't always recognize names on the roster

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tends to get in late in the game (for instance, no c/o 2011 recruits yet)

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its not for lack of trying, i promise, especially this year

officially...

How do Bultman and Holmes network?

I know nothing but it would seem that Bultman has more contacts in club swimming?

I'm in SEC country and it seems that the superstars go to same programs: Auburn, Florida, and some venture out west to Stanford

Kid out of Mobile looked like he would break the mold and go to Alabama (trust me it would have been a huge recruiting upset) ended up at Auburn.

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I can't speak as much for the guys, but I would say one thing that really helps with women's recruiting is team chemistry. It sounds fluffy but it's the truth. Every program has its' bad apples/problem children (or coaches) but its been some time since we've truly had one that played a major role in affecting team chemistry. I think that really shows to outsiders trying to take a peek inside.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTeA469rAtI&feature=related

what she talks about says a lot about what Bultman has done

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Bogustrumper: That is some kind of awesome! Thanks for sharing!

The mens side have had a few recruits visit this year. Not sure how much we can offer at the moment with regards to aid, and if a halfway decent program can offer more we'll probably lose those kids....

Add to that the fact that sometimes in past years Holmes has had a few recruits signed already and they did't release the info until he needed to.

Maybe that should be different? Once he's got kids signed, would it not help to let other recruits know that "hey, this guy is coming here" if he's really good??

THIS more or less: 'in past years Holmes has had a few recruits signed already and they did't release the info until he needed to'

...and that video link gets me every time I see it. Thanks for posting. Still so so proud of that girl. Hope the team takes a look at it before this week to see the confidence, intelligence, struggle and passion it takes to accomplish something that you want oh so bad.

Talking about recruiting and fin. aid, does anyone know what an out-of-stater has to pay for college at A&M these days, and how does it compare to other colleges??

Bultman should be sending a letter or email to every good age group and high school coach highlighting the development of his swimmers.

He should be scheduling (volunteering) for coaching clinics so his awesomeness gets better known.

Our 15 NCAA qualifiers is an oustanding achievement - even more so that seven are freshmen.

AquaBullet- Out of state I believe is around 19k. UT is like 31k. If you run ratios, A&M is relatively more expensive than Texas out of state (aka, the value decreases for out of staters compared to the 5k-9k) but it's still dirt cheap.

They still have the policy that if you get $1,000 in scholarships (athletic, academic, or otherwise), you are awarded in-state status. If all of our swimmers can't find $1,000 in scholarships (especially with the presumed swimming acclaims on their resumes) either the money isn't an issue for them, their highschool/college counseling staffs are failing them, or they probably belong at a college where they'll be academically more successful.

Blastoff, I was unaware of the $1000 policy. That is very interesting and makes me wonder why we don't recruit out of state as much, especially in states where the tertiary education might not be all that good....

there is no $1000 policy, the process of getting in state tuition is much more complicated. i believe you need at least $3000 of an honors scholarship. athletic scholarships do not apply to getting in state tuition.

https://scholarships.tamu.edu/Scholarships/Libraries/Documents/2010_National%20Recruiting%20Brochure%20FINAL.sflb

And I quote from the yellow box "The out-of-state tuition waiver is awarded to non-Texas
residents receiving competitively awarded scholarships administered by Texas A&M University of at least $1,000 per award year. The waiver allows the student to pay tuition at the in-state level, worth approximately $15,000 per year. For non-Texas residents, the value of the scholarship package could approach $100,000."

Did I misinterpret that? Does it really mean only honors scholarships of $3,000 or more? I sat through a presentation on this once given by a member of the administration...they were pretty clear that it's a broad policy.

I'm not positive that athletic scholarships apply (I know scholarships given for athletics by club teams count). Regardles,, my original point was that if you're going to be an athlete at a major D-1 University, you should have qualifications to get at least a $1,000 academic/community involvement/etc. scholarship. Especially in a sport like swimming that prides itself on the academic accomplishments of its athletes.

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That is very interesting and makes me wonder why we don't recruit out of state as much, especially in states where the tertiary education might not be all that good.

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Ehh, I think coaches always pride themselves on being able to take local talent. It certainly saves a lot of money out of the recruiting budget. I think that's why we can get a lot of international athletes here...I'm not sure if other Universities have similar policies or not.

I mean, in theory, we should be able to lure every single swimmer out of California. Even in-state tuition at bad colleges there is through the roof!

Athletic scholarships DO NOT count in terms of the tuition waiver. Also, awards deemed to based wholly or in part to athletic achievement can be counted against team scholarship limits.

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Agblastoff - tuition for in state residents in California is not materially higher than it is for in state in Texas.

A year at UC-Berkley living on campus is about $31K. Until recently it was cheaper than tu or TAMU. All of the UC system schools had substantial tuition increases because of budget problems.

Stanford of course is another story - but it is a private school.

Looks like Jasmine Tosky once again is showing everyone how its done. Quinn Carrozza again amazingly fast.

Tosky has NCAA 'A' cuts in 400 IM, 200 fly, and 'B' cuts in just about everything else.

Amazing. Can we just sign her now? She seems to like College Station - she sure swims well in this pool.

I may be the only person following this meet. Tosky swam a 1:54.80 200 IM. She would be seeded 3rd at NCAAs.

Nice swims by Lara Slesnick, A&M freshman, in her 1650 and 400 IM.

Looks like Ashley Adams A&M Freshman also had an amazing 1650! Those are some amazing genes

anybody else see men's freshman suarez tear it up in the breaststrokes this weekend? podium finishes in both 100 and 200 breast. i haven't seen him in any of our other meets; is he redshirting? he certainly had a pretty solid meet

Yes, I believe Suarez is redshirting. Great idea since we were loaded at breaststroke this year and are losing two of them (Lavery, Snowden).

Incredible swims by Adams and Slesnick. Keep in mind they weren't even on the 'B' team at Big 12's! Would have been fourth and fifth at Big 12's in the mile (and Adams was only .3 off Sacco). Man, we've come a long way in a fairly short period of time to have that kind of depth...

I would say Tosky is absolutely on our coaches radar (and she isn't the only one in that category of those swimming at sectionals this weekend). Nothing like seeing that kind of talent swim in your own pool.

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i was wrong blastoff, im sorry, hopefully we can work this out. you did not read it wrong. my deepest apologies are in order.

however, take my word for it that it is a lot harder than you would think to get the tuition waiver. many of the scholarships that are given out at the university are partially need based. a&m is not the greatest with scholarships, you would have to go somewhere like baylor for that.

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Tosky is on every coach's radar in the country! With all due respect to some of the great swimmers we've brought in, but Tosky would be the best recruit we've ever had.fe

I have no idea what Tosky is thinking about for college. But prying her away from Stanford (she swims for Palo Alto) or Cal seems like it would be nearly impossible. But she and her team seem to really like Sectionals in College Station. Two years in a row now and their swimmers are outstanding.

I didn't see any Sectionals this year, but saw Tosky last year and it was obvious last year that she was an oustanding swimmer. Extremely good technique. Her IM times are amazing.

Did you know Quinn Carrozza's uncle is Dale Rogers?

I probably overlooked Ashley Adams. She has been overshadowed by Camille, but Ashley did have some very good swims.