Does anybody have any particulars on how the girls actually played out at Pacific Palisades, Calif? Losing 3 first round matches (2 singles and 1 doubles) doesn't bode well for down the line. Were there ANY bright spots? Losing to NB 8-1 in doubles with our two best players made me gulp real hard without knowing anything else. I understand the chemistry aspect in doubles so please don't preach to me about that, but 8-1!!!! Are we headed for that much of a downturn with the loss of Morgan and Christi?

Nazari lost the opening round (as the top seed) in three sets in the Qualifying Draw. The girl from Ole Miss who she Urbina lost to was out the very next round. Sanchez-Quintanar was straight-setted 6-2 6-3. Baylor's got two already in the main draw and a third playing to get into it right now.

8-1 lost by doubles to Nebraska as stated. Baylor's #2 doubles team was outed in the first round of the QD, still have a group in the MD.

Looks like Texas has only one player still in either tourny, Ariel Ellis, who's already in the main draw. D'Amico and Scott both bounced in the first round of PQ. Both Texas doubles squads were out in the semi-finals of PQ.

So far, not so-hot from the new regime for the Aggies. I guess we should thank our lucky stars that fall tennis exists to help the players adjust to the new coaching staff before it really counts in the spring.

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if there is a downturn it will have NOTHING to do with christi leaving. Morgan leaving will have a major impact because everyone moves up a spot and when she wanted to she could beat anyone at the number two line.

that being said, the results are definitely disappointing at the all-american. i would be very interested to know how practices were going, which can be a big indicator of how the girls are responding to the new coach and how much influence he is actually having.

Bring back Coach Kleinecke!

It's one tournament - nothing to freak out about. Joffe was already coaching Quintanar and Weaver was the only one doing any real coaching for our girls and he's still here.

Harry, with all due respect, the limited number of practices I did see for the women to say Mark was the only one doing any coaching I think is a little over the top. Sure he would work with Sheri and Steph and all the others on their singles but Bobby was the one doing to the doubles tweaking, and that's not all. Again, I'm not advocating to throw the baby (Joffe) out with the bathwater after one tournament, but the implications look dire. Even as underclassmen, the two ladies that went to Pacific Palisades will be looked upon as the "go to" pair. To be eliminated in the first round both singles and doubles, even having a #1 seed with Naz. That's what scares me down the road. Granted also, Wen, and Dane haven't even had a chance to get their feet wet (really). But it sure looks like it's going to be baptism by (heavy) fire looking at the schedule.

Hey I don't know that too much respect is actually due to me, but I appreciate it anyway!

I probably shouldn't be so harsh, because you can't do something for 30 years with pretty good success without at least having some clue about the job, but from conversations I have had with various people associated with the program including several former players, Kleinecke was more of a "manager" type that didn't have a high-level grasp of the game. The girls I have talked to respected him as a person but did not respect him as a tennis coach. I believe his real undoing was his inability to recruit a full team, but even in the Jessica Roland era glory days the girls used to make fun of the stuff he tried to teach.
I get the sense that they may not like Weaver as much, but they listen to what he says. IMO that's way more important.

Time will tell what we have with Joffe and this season will probably be tough with the same old problem, lack of depth. The one thing that makes me feel good is that Joffe turned around two programs in two years a piece. By his 2nd year at both places, they were having program-best seasons. I can't imagine Kleinecke going to Miami-Ohio or Maryland and turning those teams around in 2 years.

I don't want to totally bash Kleinecke because he did leave the program in much better shape than Joffe found Miami-OH or Maryland. The ACC is an ever better conference than the Big 12, so I'm pretty confident that inheriting a much stronger team (Maryland was worse than terrible) with much better resources, he will be fine.

The results are definitely disappointing, but the team will be fine towards the top of the lineup. The problem will be at the bottom of the lineup. This will not be a good year overall IMO. Everyone at the all American is really good so these really are not terrible results.

I am curious about the great Kleinecke tweaking with the doubles teams. I have heard horror stories of some of his doubles philosophies so please inform us of his "doubles genius" that you are referring to.

I know that some of the girls of the old teams did really like BK like the Rolands and Lubinskys but I haven's gotten that sense in the recent years. I could be wrong, but I have heard otherwise. I know that the girls would get frustrated because they felt BK would limit Weaver's input mostly because of his own insecurities.Perhaps that is what a head coach should do though especially when the head coach knows he doesn't have much knowledge to bring to the table himself.

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Slick the tweaking basically revolved around the net play, and finding the right chemistry mixture of the players. Saying that, I wish BK had put the two Christi's together much sooner last year when it became pretty obvious that Janelle just didn't have the #1 mentality or ability to get into position quick enough. Speaking of Janelle brings up another topic, has anyone seen the other Aussie, Dane, hit the ball yet?

Beat that with a stick (racket). The girls come through fairly impressively at Baylor. Mark was pumping Sun pretty good in the release comments, and sounds like rightfully so. Did anybody actually see the match? Joffe may have 2 of the 3 doubles lined up with Naz and Christina at 1 and Lauren and Sheri at 3, any ideas on a possible #2 pair? Granted one match a season does not make but somebody made the comment that although not stelar this season may be ho-hum at worst.