new FIFA world rankings

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US to no. 6 in the world, their highest ranking ever and right behind Mexico.

http://www.fifa.com/en/mens/statistics/index/0,2548,108551,00.html?articleid=108551
sixiron
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wow, that's a 4 spot jump in the rankings.

i don't like seeing England drop though.
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Awesome! I'm not very familiar with how the points are compiled. If the US wins the Gold Cup, will that move us past Mexico?
Dre_00
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Someday, someone will have to explain to me how it is that they compile points for that thing. I mean what exactly led to the 21 point increase over last month? The only thing it could be is the Gold Cup results but frankly, that doesn't seem like it should count for that much as the competition is pretty weak.

Regardless, while its always nice to see improvement, I think even the biggest US supporter would have to agree that there are 10 teams ranked behind the US that could beat the US more often than not.
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and what has Germany been doing lately to make a 10-spot jump and gain 28 points? or is that maybe just a way to make them look better for next year's WC in Germany?
PatAg
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I would disagree with you dre. We now have the type of depth, where we can play what is essentially a B team, and dominate other countries, and our A team is finally loaded with world class talent. Every year another generationg becomes old enough to play internationally, we get better.

Brazil and argentina are the only teams I feel we would really have to play excellent to beat. Our style of play has just changed so much, even since the last world cup. Not just at the international level, but in the MLS as well. F.C. Dallas could compete well in teh EPL if they had to. We have a much more controlled, passing, creative attack now. We get lots of good buildup, and switch the field well. All we need to do to become "elite" is develop a truly great finisher up top.
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PatAg has been drinking again. Sorry to disagree, but there are probably 15 teams in the world that would crush the US in soccer. It is just not our game.

Yes, we are getting better. More people are taking up the sport and it is going to show in a few years. But right now we would not stand a chance.
Dre_00
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Listen, I agree with a lot of what you said. We are making great progress in a lot of areas. I mean to think that 15 years ago, we were a country that hadn't qualified for the WC in decades to now...well now its expected not only that we qualify every year but that we progress to the knockout round. However, I disagree emphatically with a few things:

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We now have the type of depth, where we can play what is essentially a B team, and dominate other countries, and our A team is finally loaded with world class talent.


Dominate what countries? Panama? Trinidad and Tobago? Whoopty-do. They are hardly the elite teams in our weak region (probably the weakest outside of Oceania) let alone the world. Besides, when we do play elite teams with our A team (or close to it) we hang in there but we don't dominate. A few examples come to mind...

England's D team vs. USA's A/B team (2005): We had good spells but they controlled much of the play.

Netherland's A team vs. USA's A team (2004): Our last lost (before Mexico in March). The score was 1-0 but we were pretty much dominated the entire game.

Brazil's U-23 team vs USA's A team (2003): Last Gold Cup two years ago. We got a fluke 1-0 lead completely against the run of play and ended up losing 2-1 in ET. It could have been 5-1.

I know some of those examples are going back a way's but that's because we don't play elite teams that often. Mostly we're stuck with CONCACAF teams and when we do play European teams in friendlies, its typically teams like Poland and Wales as opposed to England or France.

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Our style of play has just changed so much, even since the last world cup. Not just at the international level, but in the MLS as well. F.C. Dallas could compete well in teh EPL if they had to. We have a much more controlled, passing, creative attack now.


Again, I agree that our style of play has improved. Even in the 2002 WC, a lot of offense was built around the counter attack...compact in defense and then look for breaks on the counter. We have since gotten a lot better at possession soccer. However, I don't think we are near the level of elite yet as we still don't have many creative/technically gifted players. Example: Who's gonna step up in the midfield when Reyna leaves? O'Brien is a good candidate if he stays healthy but other than that, there isn't anyone in the player pool who can control the midfield and shows the creativity and timing to make the right pace at the right time. Elite teams don't have this problem. There are elite creative players all over the place in England/Itlay/Spain etc pool. Our techical ability has imroved for sure but there are still a lot of players who are better athletes than they are soccer players (if that makes sense).

Lastly, I don't really have any evidence to back it up but I think FC Dallas would be relegated in a heartbeat if they were in the Premiership. They could probably hang in the Championship.

Sorry about that...that post went a little longer than I expected.
The Beer Snob
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http://www.fifa.com/en/mens/statistics/rank/procedures/0,2540,3,00.html

Here's the lengthy explanation of how they calculate the world rankings.
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I'm not saying FC Dallas would win or be in the top, but they wouldn't get dominated nonstop either. I really meant their starting 11, they'd run into problems with having to have people come off the bench.
And I disagree that it was England's D team vs our A team. I'd say it was mor elike England's B vs our B with one or two starters. And they didn't dominate us either, once our young soon to be stars settled down in the 2nd half we put on the pressure. I also don't think you should be using games that were played 2 years ago as an example. Many of the players we will be counting on in the world cup(Imo) will have emerged since the last world cup. This is the main reason I see us making the leap to the elites with our depth, for the past 15 years or so, the club competition has greatly increased in skill and depth, because more and more talented athletes are playing soccer as their main sport.
I have a lot of hopes for dempsey once he adjusts to the speed of play. And if you watched the FIFA youth champs, benny fielhaber shows a lot of promise.
I just think its an extremem exagerration to say we would have no chance against 10 teams in the world. For one thing, theres no team in the world anymore, where will just have no chance at all. I'd probably say theres 3-5 teams where we'd have to play excellently to beat them. from 5-10 (we would be in there somewhere) it could go either way. I'm not sure why you seem to be hating on our national team so much, but I think its founded in the past.

[This message has been edited by PatAg (edited 7/20/2005 5:17p).]
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Ahhh, the farcical FIFA world rankings strike again...

On the FC Dallas issue, I remember the year Fulham were promoted, they came and played an MLS team (one of the Florida teams before they folded I think) and beat them. So an MLS team couldn't beat a team that was at the time between the Prem and the first division.

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PatAg
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Yes, because this isn't a thread about how the MLS and american soccer in general has made leaps and bounds since the last world cup...you're an idiot.

Seriously, you're a freaking moron. "this game, like totally happened 5 years or so ago, and it was a crappy mls team at that". God, it should not be against the law to kill you.

[This message has been edited by PatAg (edited 7/21/2005 1:50a).]
Ag Since 83
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OK, I disagree with you, other people accuse you of drinking and saying FC Dallas would be "crushed" and relegated, and you decide to tell ME that I should be killed. Classy...I can't believe it's taken me more than 2 years on TexAgs for someone to finally call me a moron and threaten my life. I'll try to provoke the next threat more quickly.

Seriously, this is the last time I'll disagree with you on anything. I don't want you looking for me around College Station with an AK-47.

I'm not sure if FC Dallas would be relegated, but they would struggle to reach midtable security, in my opinion. I know it was an old example, but it's the only game I can remember between an English team and an MLS team. I'm sure there have been others, but the only preseason friendlies I ever pay attention to are those of the big English teams, and I don't remember Man U, Liverpool, or Chelsea playing any MLS teams during their trips to the US.

And the FIFA rankings are flawed. The way they are calculated doesn't make any sense. They put more weight on the games in continental championships, if I recall, than they do on friendlies. So we get more points for beating Cuba in the Gold Cup than we should.

"I feel like we have some unfinished business." - Chris Walker
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The Beer Snob
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I don't think the FIFA rankings are terribly useful, but they're kind of fun. I usually just factor in a +/- 5 spot margin of error and then everything seems to be about right. There's no way to accurately have a worldwide ranking when so many teams have never even played each other, but this isn't too bad.

And I think competition games obviously SHOULD count more than a friendly. I'm not sure I understand your beef with that.
Dre_00
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I'd say it was more like England's B vs our B with one or two starters. And they didn't dominate us either, once our young soon to be stars settled down in the 2nd half we put on the pressure. I also don't think you should be using games that were played 2 years ago as an example.


Zat Knight played in central defense! That's Sven's what 8th option at CB? How many players had their first cap in that game? Richardson, Knight, and Carrick come to mind but there were probably more. Definitely was not their B team. The only player that played that might have started had it been their top 11 was Ashley Cole. The only other player that would have even made the bench would have been Joe Cole. Perhaps dominate was a tad harsh as the second half the US did come around but they rarely looked threatening in the attacking third...even when they controlled possession.

As far as using examples from 2 years ago...I already explained I didn't have much choice as there aren't a whole lot of examples to choose from, but the ones that do exist, show the US comes up a little short.

Anyway...I don't think I'm going to be able to convince you so it is what it is. I guess we'll never know until the US plays a powerhouse in a meaningful match. Oh and Feilhaber did play well, but Marvell Wynne impressed me more. That guy looked very impressive. It's just a shame he plays RB instead of LB.
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ce- NOBODY will "crush" the US team. We havn't been "crushed" in years. Where have you been?
Ag Since 83
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We haven't been crushed in years, but we've certainly been dominated. Our goalkeepers, who have really been world class, have saved us.

"I feel like we have some unfinished business." - Chris Walker
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don't keepers count as part of the team? they're part of that world ranking. It's like saying "That country was tearing the US soccer team up until they hit that defense...If it wasn't for them we'd have a crappy team"
PatAg
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Wow, hows it going Captain Overreactiontoajoke.

The definition of a B team would be, people that wouldn't start, but would probably end up on the bench...EnglishB/C vs America B with maybe two starters...I think I just misunderstood what you meant when you said England D.
You were makin it out that it was people from england that would never sniff the national team vs our best players, which is hardly the case..It was mainly their young up and comers vs our young up and comers. It just so happens that right now our young up and comers would be people that might be playing come World Cup whereas theirs is not the case most likely.

[This message has been edited by PatAg (edited 7/21/2005 2:59p).]
Ag Since 83
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Wow, hows it going Captain Overreactiontoajoke.


Well, I was just being sarcastic. I knew you weren't being serious, but I was a bit confused to what exactly I had said that would lead to that joke. I disagreed with you, and you jokingly call me a moron and say I'm a waste of life. I'm sorry for thinking that you were the one who was overreacting a bit.

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PatAg
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Ok, its all good...it seemed a lot funnier last night when I made the post.
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PatAg,

You need to lay off the drugs..............
hmiles619
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whoa, whoa.....whoa
PatAg
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You need to lay off the shut the hell up.
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