How do you think this will all end up?

The chick could just be lying. We'll have to wait for the DNA tests.

She could be lying. Or maybe she agreed to let one or more guys pay to do her, and then he didn't pay (like the St John's basketball team). Then, their DNA would be there, but it wouldn't be rape.

Those Duke kids are elitist punks and their position only reinforce Duke's image as elitist a**holes. They need to shut the program down for the season.

bottom line is i like the way these duke kids party.

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bottom line is i like the way these duke kids party.

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I didn't want to be the first one to say it, but hell yes

The players' lawyers are doing a very good job of discrediting all that has been alleged. This is getting more interesting.

http://www.insidelacrosse.com/page.cfm?pagerid=2&news=fdetail&storyid=118934

i'm sure a kid got drunk and yelled at the girls walking by...their recourse was to fabricate this story. in the process they've torn down the university, its "diversity," its relationship with the community, the lacrosse team, and every kid with ties to the program.

racial allegations are very serious and not to be taken lightly but I just doubt that one of these guys would do that at this point in time in light of the charges brought against them.

Duke's coach resigned and remainder of season was cancelled.

If there is nothing to hide, they should talk and not stonewall. They have GREATLY embarrassed Duke.

Anyone see the e-mail that one of the players wrote?

the email.

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/0405061duke5.html

i hope i'm not the only person who actually laughed when i read this.

Nope, Ryan McFadyn either made a very illtimed joke, or is the stupiest person on the planet to write an email like that if the allegations are true what happened at that party. I'm still leaning toward there are too many inconsistencies in the stories and if fact she had identified the three players, that even without the DNA results they would have arrested them already. I think they have very little and are hoping for something to come out of the DNA results. Lets just hope that if no crime was committed that there is not an innocent Duke player that couldn't keep it in his pants in a consensual manner and gets pegged with a serious crime. I'm betting on a big-time civil suit to come out of this regardless of the criminal outcome.

why would you laugh at that email...if he was trying to be funny its not clever at all

I laughed because it was funny.

Jason Whitlock has a pretty good article about it: http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=whitlock/060405

Am I the only one who does not believe the stripper is really a student? A lot of strippers claim to be students. But, most of them are lying. She might have gone to NC Central for one semester 3 years ago or something like that, but I seriously doubt she is a current student.

I think that email was an ill-timed joke. If he actually planned on raping/hurting a stripper, why would he send out that email?? I think it's more reflective of the a**hole attitude of the guys, that I think likely pissed the girl off into making the allegations.

The 911 call has serious inaccuracies. One she first says she drove by the house and they said the 'n' word. She kept repeating the address of the location, even though it is not visible driving by the house. Then later in the call, she says that she was walking by with a friend. Also, it's not really a matter to call 911 in the first place.

In addition, the girl has been found to previously have driven with twice the legal limit of alcohol, led them on a car chase, and possibly attempted to run over a police officer.

Finally, she's a stripper. Not exactly the most reputable crowd.

I don't believe her story. I do think the Duke guys are complete jerks though.

Defense lawyer's new article:

http://www.herald-sun.com/durham/4-722409.html

From the defense lawyer:

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Finally, she's a stripper. Not exactly the most reputable crowd.

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Since she was probably high, her story won't have the same credibility

ooops. DNA didn't match any of the players. Somebody owes some apologies.

"why would you laugh at that email...if he was trying to be funny its not clever at all"

i think it was pretty damned funny. its obviously satirical in nature...making fun of the outlandish allegations against a group of good, clean cut crackers.

to each his own i guess....but that is super crazy that the DNA didnt match, they should reinstate the season or something...I would be pissed if I didnt do anything wrong and they canceled my season

DNA results are not in!
Sure have your minds locked into rummors, lies and lawyer speak.

I don't see anyone refuting that the DNA results proved to be negative. Sure they were released by the attorneys, but the DA's office wasn't going to release them, we knew that all along. These accusations seemed fishy from the start, now the Duke season has been ruined. What happens to the seniors? Is there career over after being falsely accused? Its not like these guys are set to move on to the pros. And for all those people and the media that convicted these guys already, shame on them. I'm sure since they are convinced that a rape took place, even though she falsely accused the Duke lacrosse team, no charges will be filed on her for lying to the police.

congrats, the guilty until proven innocent mindset has cost a bunch of kids who did nothing wrong!

hope they get kicked out of school. that'd show 'em for not raping that girl!

Two indictments:

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/news/story?id=2412318

they'll be found innocent. word is there are photos of both these guys other places and that other photos from people at the party show she was "injured" when she arrived.

looks like she picked the wrong honkeys.

Hoston- were you on the OJ jury?

Comparing this case to the OJ Simpson case is laughable. Unless you are comparing them from the stand point that all DNA evidence pointed without a shadow of doubt that OJ was guilty, while in this case there is absolutely no DNA evidence to back her story.

In addition, one of the people indicted has a solid alibi for the attacks.
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/LegalCenter/story?id=1858806&page=1
"So, Seligmann's alibi suggests, he and the alleged victim were in the house together for less than 20 minutes [time frame confirmed by a taxi driver and bank records]. According to defense sources, based on the alleged victim's affidavit, all of the following would have transpired within that time period: She and her dance partner performed for several minutes, left after feeling threatened by the boys' growing "excited and aggressive," returned after being persuaded by team members to dance some more, and then she was forced into a bathroom, beaten and raped.

Within those same minutes, phone bill records reviewed by ABC show that the defendant's cell phone made at least two outgoing calls."

Couple other points:
*She claims she was sober before the party and perhaps she was drugged to make her drunk as reported by the police officer who first responded to her 911 call, yet she can positively id the attackers and no evidence of date rape drugs were found?

*Her description of the attacker(s) were extremely vague.

*The DA appears to have assumed that the attackers had to be a member of the lacrosse team, yet there were non-lacrosse players there.

*The store employee and responding officer said that she did not appear to have been raped in their opinion (obviously not dispositive, but another small piece of evidence against her claim)..

*The accuser is a felon (or at least possibly attempted to run over a police officer while driving twice over the legal limit).

*The accused are not felons.

Despite the significant public pressure induced by the DA, to this date no one at the party (with a lot of people that could get in trouble) have said it happened.

*The other stripper did not claim any harm done

*Time stamped photos may show that she already had bruises on her body when she arrived at the the party (viewing those bruises is probably why the DA jumped to the conclusion that it happened).


...This case is slowly crumbling against the weight of all evidence. The DA has truly acted in an irresponsible and unethical manner in this case.

Interesting article on the race baiting going on..
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2006/04/fact_and_myth_duke_it_out.html

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My favorite part of the article is that the cab driver remembers him because he gave a good tip.

Always tip well.

"Hoston- were you on the OJ jury?"

no, not sure if i would have let him off or not. tough call.

TK03, you racist a**hole!

Are race and tipping related? We now have an opinion from a cab driver.

jrdancer, the bottom line is that these are just some special kids who enjoy a good time.

Second dancer is looking to make some money off this.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/news/story?id=2416623