When is enough, enough?

This guy is such an egomanic that he needs to lose his membership to the PGA.

Probably Phil does too.

Come on guys, get off of you collective p####ies and become someone that vagely resembles Mr. Jones, Mr. Hagan, Mr. Palmer, Mr. Nicklas, Mr. Hogan, Lord Byron, etc, etc, and so forth.

If you want to get rich, so be it, but not at my expense.

I will never, repeat, never, attend at PGA, USGA, R&A event that you participate in, not to mention the Masters and the Ryder Cup.

You are collecitve jokes to those of us who play golf, and I used too play to t zero handicap.

Tiger, just move to Sweden and play under your wife's name and flag so the the US can win the Ryder Cup.

BLAAAAAAGH!!!!!!

I can agree with you more on Mickelson than Tiger. Mickelson effectively cashed in his 2006 chips at Winged Foot in June and obviously did little more than show up thereafter.

If Tiger feels like he isnt prepared to win, he doesnt go. Would you prefer Tiger go ahead and retire now so you can watch all the other wonderful US golfers out there? Its not a very long list. Mainly guys who show up each week and hope to make enough money along the way to support their extravagent lifestyle. Alternatively, Tiger could simply show up unprepared and cash his check at the end of this no-cut event. Would that be better?

Tiger has put the tour on his back for the last 10 years or so. Every player out there should hope he keeps playing forever (unlike Mr. Nelson, who retired at 34).

I understand your point, just trying to provide another angle at which to look at it.

I am not a golfer so maybe I can provide the perspective of an occasional fan. I think you're nuts to rant about Tiger taking the rest of the year off. Before Tiger existed - the only golf tournament I watched was John Daly's PGA win many years ago.

I have read recent articles that quote many in the PGA and they all acknowledge that even though Tiger can run away with the sport - he has unquestionably made the sport better. The only thing that would be better without him is closer competition. A Tiger-less PGA would have less money by far, fewer new players, less interest, etc.

He spent 2006 kicking ass except right after his father's death. He carries himself proudly, without arrogance and he's a good sportsman. No behavior like T.O..

He is a true star and one of a kind.

apparently you havent heard that he is playing in two more tournaments this year. One in dubai and one in china where he gets paid millions just to show up. he needs to understand he is nowwhere without the pga and the american fans

Tiger plays at the club i work at over the summers and honestly hes a really nice guy and no where close to an egomaniac...i talked with him while cleaning his clubs and watching him warm up. Im not sure what you have against him. Are you saying that you wouldnt go play in China if they offered to pay you for just showing up? You've gotta be nuts. And the comment that he wouldnt be anything without our fans---not sure if you remember but Tiger threatened to leave the US and play in Europe over a very simple rules dispute about his caddy's attire...and the PGA promptly let Stevie wear his shorts that day instead of pants. I guess your statement about your handicap was to prove you play golf....im in between a 0 and 4

Before insulting a mans character please take the time to atleast talk with him before making such opinions

" He's not a hard man to track, he leaves dead men where ever he goes."

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You know - if the fans hated him, but he still won tournaments like he does - he'd be a superstar anyway. If he were like TO, he might not have the sponsorship deals, but he is not a star because of the PGA and American fans. He is a star because he is a world apart FROM EVERYONE ELSE in professional golf.

The fact that fans like him, sponsors like him, and the TV ratings drop when Tiger doesn't play is proof that he inspires popularity, not the other way around.

Tiger is not great or famous or rich because of the PGA Fans. He is all of that because he made the commitment to his game to be the very best that he can at a very young age. If he does not want to play in an event, so be it. Being the very best at what you do always you opportunities others don't have.

This goes in any field. The best sales people get enormous bonuses and extra vacation time. Stock-brokers - Trades get taken to expensive dinners with $1000 bottles of wine and vacations to exotic resorts.

You sound like a guy that is bitter because you are jealous.

my point was that his excuse that he is tired is lame since he is going to play two tournaments where he gets paid a bucu amount of money. he is int he pga i would think that the pga events would have priority for him but i guess not. also how is he tired. he plays six tournaments a year.

So I guess European Tour players should not play in PGA events ever, because they are ignoring the European Tour.

Also you need to check out how many tournaments Tiger has won this year, if you think he only plays in 6 a year.

And while you guys are just acting like dicks towards the best player in the game, this has been a very emotional year for woods since his father passed away.

But you guys all have ice running through your veins, you are real men

give me a break i know he played more than six tournaments. but in comparison of how many he actually played compared to others its nothing. people have bad things happen to them every year. i understand its tuff but i have seen tons of athletes do just fine after somebody dies. he is about the money and nothing else. the difference btw the european players is that they are playing in the bigger league. not going to some small town tourney just for money.

Although as a fan, I would like to see Tiger play. I do respect his decision as he is essentially an INDEPENDENT CONTRACTOR; as are the rest of the players on the PGA tour. I'd love to be in his shoes.

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just because you are on the PGA tour doesnt mean you have play in the tournaments. he could just play in the majors and no one could do anything about it. and just to let you know any player on tour would go play in china for 1 million.....if u can find someone that says "no thats ok i dont want one million dollars to show up...im not about the money" then i will retract all of my statements

" He's not a hard man to track, he leaves dead men where ever he goes."

you realize today's tourny was a sanctioned European Tour stop, did you see the field?

right but you wont see people say they are tired from playing 16 events all year. woo what a schedule man. its the last tourney of the year for the pga. you would think that would matter. but apparently it doesnt

If the PGA wants the top players to play in the last event, make it matter. Put the PGA as the last event. These PGA events are only to allow the low guys to make some money.

Same reason their are other events during the Ryder Cup during other events.

but the tournament he skipped was the players championship was it not. not just a no nothing tournament

This past weekend was the Shootout, which I did not follow in anyway.

And I only know that Scott won the Tour Championship, do not know who played or anything else.

In most people's minds it is not golf season here. The tournaments get zero attention, unless Tiger is playing.

he skipped the tour championship to rest. thast where i have the problem. i have no problem with him playing in these tournaments if he plays more in the pga

why does he have to play more in the pga?

because thats his tour. just start the conversation about michelle wie and ill give you even more crap. why would the best player in world want to play in tournaments with less talent in them. hmmmm....money

I do not know what your love fest is with the PGA, do you know who else was playing in China?

The PGA did not make Tiger Woods, if you think that your do not follow golf until recently.

When Tiger was 2 years old he was on Johnny Carson.

Tiger won the US Junior Amateur three times and the US Amateur three times, before he was even on tour he was the most famous golfer around.

And that is why people disliked him.

Does he play golf for money? Sure he does. Why the **** do you go to work? For the money.

That is so ****y stupid calling out the best player in the world because he played in a Tournament for money.

Every golfer players for money. It is an individual sport where they get paid for their play every week.

Tiger does commercials, does work for his foundation, plays golf and has a family. Why do you care if he played in a tournament for money. He plays in a tournament for money every time he plays and so does every other golfer.

You are really starting to sound like some guy that is bitter because you don't have the freedom of Tiger.

i could care less is he earned his money. but dont pay him just to show up. and if you kenw what i did for a living you would know that i dont do it for the money. you act like i am the only that is pissed about it. a lot of people are. and thanks for the history lesson that i already knew. did you have to get the almanac out for those facts. i have no problem with him other than what he did this year with the players championship. he could win all the tournaments for all i care.

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I assume you mean if he earned his money. Well he does earn his money because he is that big of a draw. Do yo pay money to go to a concert? Well people pay money to go see Tiger play. That is why Tournaments pay him to show up.

Are you pissed at Michael Jordan for doing commercials or making people pay tens of thousands for his basketball camps. It is the same thing, he is getting paid to show up, just like Tiger.

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i have no problem with him other than what he did this year with the players championship.

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Sounds like to me you are complaining about a lot of his schedule

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he needs to understand he is nowwhere without the pga and the american fans

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This is why I quoted to you his info. The PGA should be thanking god that Tiger came along and helped their sport out. Tiger was famous before he ever played in a PGA event.

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my point was that his excuse that he is tired is lame since he is going to play two tournaments where he gets paid a bucu amount of money. he is int he pga i would think that the pga events would have priority for him but i guess not. also how is he tired. he plays six tournaments a year.

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1. His father died this year. Maybe that is not a big thing to you, but to a lot of people it is and should not be questioned.
2. Do you understand Tiger's schedule, he does not only play golf. He is a business. From his clothing line, to he non-profit charities to his endorsement deals to his golf playing.
3. Typical Golf schedule is 1 day of practice to learn the course and the layout. 4 days of playing. So that takes 5 days of the week. 1 day of travel, oh and a golfer gets 1 day of rest a week.
4.That day of rest usually involves his other items charity, endorsements, etc.
5. Do not forget the media, press conferences, fans and others that hound him around tournaments
6. Playing in a golf tournament is not like playing with your buddies on the weekend. There is real stress in volved.
7. Is he doing it for the money, hell yes. Are you pissed at Warren Buffet? How about Bill Gates or Steve Jobs? Now you say you do not do it for the money, good for you. Most people work for the money. It is not like he is an evil person that is breaking the law or is shady. He is playing a tournament in Dubai and China. How many other people would take a business trip there if there companies would pay for it?
8. He is the best golfer in the World.


You act like he owes you something, why?

nobody else has the problem of playing a full season with all those complications you were talking about. i guess we will just agree to disagree. i think he is a chump for skipping that tournament. i have seen people lose their father and play that same day. people are different.

No one else has ever had it like Tiger Woods in Golf. No One

am i supposed to feel bad for hime because the media follows him more than anybody else. give me a break

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nobody else has the problem of playing a full season with all those complications you were talking about

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Who said feel sorry for him, you were just stupid enough to compare other players having to go through the same thing. No one goes through what Tiger does.

i would have to say mickleson probablies goes through 90 percent of it. even though he probably isnt a good example since he doesnt play that much anymore either.

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nobody else has the problem of playing a full season with all those complications you were talking about.

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and nobody else wins like tiger does... he shows up to events to win

also..it was the tour championship, not the players championship that your crying about (the players is the one with the island green that was in march, but i think will be in may this year)

and fwiw, the tour championship has no cut, so everyone is guaranteed money if they show up... so he actually walked away from free money to not play at the tour championship

If I was looking for someone to endorse my product, and I could afford him, I'd get Tiger.

He's great to his sponsors.

Lay off of the guy. Golf has been, and always will be, an individual sport. You don't make money if you don't win.

Just curious, did you guys buy tickets to the event in question because Tiger would be there? Is that why you're so mad?

The PGA owes Tiger, not the other way around. It's that simple. He is by far the best player in the world - just like Michael Schumacher in F1, Michael Jordan was in basketball, etc. I think Tiger's pretty decent a guy compared to other "best in the world" performers.

Golf without Tiger would be pathetic. He is the ONLY reason I pay attention to it at all.

And bbry81 - please learn what the shift key is for.

Guess Phil was tired

The official events started Jan 5 and the Tour Championship was held in Nov. That leaves 2 months for off time and the silly season/charity events of which Tiger hosts his own. The season is too long and I don't blame Tiger or Phil for using their "power" to lobby for a shorter season. Every tournament in Europe & the USA wants these guys, the sponsors want them in their events, the charities want them in their events, the networks want them. If Tiger was all about the money, he could play a complete schedule of nothing but tourneys giving him an appearance fee. To argue that Tiger and Phil don't do enough for the tour is ignorant. BTW the top NINETY THREE players on the 2006 money list made at least $1 million this year. 92 of those guys better have Tiger on their Christmas card list.
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