Trying to offset W2 earnings with the short term rental loophole and I can't seem to make it work on TurboTax. Our average rental is less than 7 days and I spend over 500 hours per year managing the rental. Happy to pay for the advice. Please let me know.

KatyAggie2000 said:

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Trying to offset W2 earnings with the short term rental loophole and I can't seem to make it work on TurboTax. Our average rental is less than 7 days and I spend over 500 hours per year managing the rental. Happy to pay for the advice. Please let me know.

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I am guessing that you are not getting a deduction due your level of income and the software is treating this as passive.

I do not use TurboTax, but on the Schedule E input in my software, there is a box to check to indicate that the activity has other passive exceptions. The box to check that you meet the test for a real estate professional is on a screen that has numerous things to check (on a variety of items), like an overall general information page. However, I think to qualify as a real estate professional (and bypass the passive loss stuff), you have to spend at least half your time in real estate businesses and 750 hours in real property trades or businesses.

Literally what AI is good for.

OnlyForNow said:

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Literally what AI is good for.

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To successfully apply the Short-Term Rental (STR) loophole and offset W-2 earnings in TurboTax, you must ensure the activity is treated as non-passive. TurboTax Online typically lacks a direct interview question for this specific scenario, often forcing users to use the Desktop version to manually override the classification.

Step-by-Step Implementation in TurboTax
If your average stay is 7 days or less and you spend over 500 hours (meeting the material participation test), follow these steps:
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Use TurboTax Desktop:

• The online version often fails to provide the necessary "forms mode" to bypass passive activity limits for STRs.

Report on Schedule E:

• Continue reporting the property under Rental Properties and Royalties (Schedule E) unless you provide "substantial services" (like daily cleaning or meals), in which case it would go on Schedule C.

Enter "Forms Mode":

• Click Forms in the top right corner of the Desktop software.

Modify the Schedule E Worksheet:

• Find the Schedule E Worksheet (Sch E Wks) for your specific property.
• Locate the checkbox for "Other Passive Exceptions" (often Box G) and check it.
• Check the box for "Material Participation".

Bypass Form 8582:

• Checking these boxes instructs the software to bypass Form 8582 (Passive Activity Loss Limitations), allowing the loss to flow directly to your 1040 and offset your W-2 income.
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Why It Isn't Working Automatically

• Passive Loss Rules: IRS Section 469 typically treats all rental activity as passive. However, if the average stay is
  
  
  days, it is technically not a "rental activity" under these rules.
• TurboTax Limitation: The standard TurboTax interview often groups all Schedule E properties together as passive rentals unless you qualify as a Real Estate Professional (REPS), which you do not need for this specific STR exception.
• Material Participation: Since you spend 500+ hours, you meet the most stringent material participation test. Ensure you have a contemporaneous log of these hours in case of an audit.
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Schedule C vs. Schedule E

• Schedule E (Recommended): Use this if you provide standard rental services (linens, utilities, cleaning between guests). It avoids the 15.3% Self-Employment Tax on profits.
• Schedule C: Only use this if you provide "substantial services" like a hotel (daily maid service, guest meals). While Schedule C easily allows losses to offset W-2, it may trigger higher audit risk and extra taxes on future profits.

Turbo literally has a service just for this...buy the live service...
https://turbotax.intuit.com/personal-taxes/online/live/how-it-works.htm

Relevant info would be how many days it was rented last year and how many days (if any) did you or your friends/family use it.

There is a lot more more information you need to gather before you can do taxes on a rental correctly. You should probably file an extension and take your time to do it right.

TXAG 05 said:

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maroon barchetta said:

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BQ_90 said:

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Just write it off

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Do you even know what a write-off is?

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No, but they do, and they are the ones writing it off

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I think I saw this on a Three Stooges bit once.

May have been the Marx Brothers.

KatyAggie2000 said:

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Trying to offset W2 earnings with the short term rental loophole and I can't seem to make it work on TurboTax. Our average rental is less than 7 days and I spend over 500 hours per year managing the rental. Happy to pay for the advice. Please let me know.

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Use AI.

If it's going to take over the world one day and render us all jobless, I am sure it can help you with a piddly tax problem.

Thanks for the advice. Found out TurboTax online can't manage what I was trying to do. Had to download the TurboTax software. This year went from owing 24K to 4K and filed amendments for the past two years bringing me way back above neutral.

Biz Ag said:

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TXAG 05 said:

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maroon barchetta said:

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BQ_90 said:

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Just write it off

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Do you even know what a write-off is?

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No, but they do, and they are the ones writing it off

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I think I saw this on a Three Stooges bit once.

May have been the Marx Brothers.

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Seinfeld

Please bump this thread when the audit happens. This is a trigger item for the irs and invites scrutiny.

Death & Taxes

BartInLA said:

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Death & Taxes

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