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Saw "Master and Commander."

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IMHO, this movie is as good as they make 'em.

At least in the historical action genre.

Males, you will enjoy it if you have testosterone flowing through your body or expect to after reaching puberty.

And I honestly believe that any females who take pleasure from relationships with the male gender will find it entertaining also.

Ladies, you can put your guy your debt by suggesting this movie and then you can fantasize about Russell Crowe, thus scoring a twofer.

Just try to not notice all the poor dental hygiene.

Hey, if I had seen this movie at the right age, I probably would have joined the Naval ROTC, had Texas A&M offered it.

The Aggieland that I experienced and remember certainly didn't have a monopoly on any of the values espoused in this flic.

But duty, leadership, knowledge, discipline, peer bonding, seniority, honor, studying and steadfastness in the face of difficulty were all expected and constantly impressed on our collective Aggie mind.

And the use of alcohol as a social lubricant at all class levels was not unfamiliar either.

My only "complaint" about this cinematic adventure was that the language of those times and the accents of these actors were so authentic that I could have often used subtitles to catch exactly what was being said.

But I always was able to fathom, note my clever nautical reference, the gist of their words.

Not to worry, I'll catch it all eventually after I watch this movie the multiple times that I expect I will.

I'm not an expert on Napoleonic naval history, oceanic voyages, battles at sea and/or the accoutrements thereof, although I did have a bit part in H. M. S. Pinafore while in high school.

But if this movie wasn't very accurate in depicting all that stuff, I would be H. M. S. Surprised.

Just my choice, but if I could pick whether to use my time machine to safely and temporarily go forward or backward, I'd choose the past.

And I personally prefer history over Hobbits, though each realm has its place.

I felt this excellent movie voyage to the far side of the world accomplished all that for me at a quite reasonable fee.

Plus it begs for and shows promise of a sequel.


And finally, as a big, big, big, big bonus, this movie about an underdog, under gunned sailing vessel and its plucky, undermanned, gutsy crew made me want to go out RIGHT NOW and kick tu's teasip a**.

[This message has been edited by FAST FRED (edited 11/18/2003 11:59a).]
S2kAgGiE04
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if we can beat france then, we can beat em again!
Fly Army 97
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Some guys suggested to me that we take all the officers out to see the movie as a "professional development" day. Then we could evaluate the different styles and challenges of leadership.

Anything to get out of classes.

Also was told I'll be glad we aren't in the Navy...that I'll be glad we live in tents when we deploy.

[This message has been edited by Fly Army 97 (edited 11/17/2003 10:13p).]
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sounds feaking perfect. will see it Wednesday!!!
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I still am torqued off that they changed the plot because Hollywood thinks Americans can handle a story line where the heros are killing Americans. In the books these events are set in the War of 1812.

Oh and as to the navy, I think Churchill summed it up best: "Don't talk to me about naval tradition. It's nothing but rum, sodomy and the lash."
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I thought the movie was good but not great. I enjoy reading about 18th centry naval combat so that probably messed the movie up for me.

They did a good job of portraying life on board a britsh war ship at the time. Pretty cramped and dirty. Combat was also a very chaotic event that was fast and furious preceded by many hours of bordum.

My biggest compaint is how they shot the boarding scenes. It was hard to determine what you were seeing a lot of the time.

I also wasn't very happy with the ending. But won't discuss that so as not to ruin it.
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Fred: a friend of mine saw the movie this last weekend and reported that the music made it worthwhile. I had caught a portion of a performance of "Music from Master and Commander" on KRTS and what I heard was great.

Do you concur?
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SWOSU, I didn't notice much about the music, so all I can say is that it wasn't obtrusive.

I do remember drum rolls beating the crew to battle stations, the singing of that same song about "Ladies Of Spain" that Robert Shaw warbled as Quint in "Jaws" and the cello/violin duets between the two main characters.

If "Master and Commander" wins an Oscar for Best Original Score, I will be able to attest that the music was so well-written and so seamlessly blended into the ambient sound and dialogue, that no potentially distracting thought of where an orchestra could possibly be hiding on such a small ship ever once flashed into my head.

By one measure, that's just how background music is supposed to work.

I'll look forward to paying more attention to the probably excellent score next time.

Gig 'em, FAST FRED '65.

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Loved the books.

Loved the movie.

The relationship between Aubry and Maturin (the doctor) id different and most excellent in both the book and movie.
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I must have the attention span of a gnat because I thought the movie dragged. I'm a fan of military history and certainly don't require instant gratification in movies, but this one just didn't work for me. There didn't seem to be enough context or subplots to justify the movie's length.
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Enjoyed the movie greatly. Very well done.
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i hated the anti-american sentiment in this movie! what the hell is wrong with hollywood?!?!?!
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Hated it!

Spent the whole movie chasing after and getting position on the ship. Finally take it, and then give it way because they were stupid.

BTW, I'll pass on the sequel. I'd rather watch a bunch of kids play hide and seek.
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The books were/are great. Enjoyed the movie also.

Anybody get the collectors DVD with the documentary? Curious what it covers and if it is worth getting.

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You have to watch this movie with the frame of mind that its a nautical history documentary in order to enjoy it. It was never meant to be an action movie. I thoroughly enjoyed it.
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Watched this with my 10 yo son today. Still a great movie.
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I've seen this once, and I remember not giving a rats ass about that one dudes quest to find animals. I thought that was a waste of screentime.
Urban Ag
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Another Doug said:

Watched this with my 10 yo son today. Still a great movie.
It's a masterpiece IMO

I've watched it with my boys years ago. Glad you got that experience with your kiddo.
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aTmAg said:

I've seen this once, and I remember not giving a rats ass about that one dudes quest to find animals. I thought that was a waste of screentime.
Ok so maybe you know or don't know that British expeditionary ships historically brought along scientists, geographers, etc, to document and study the new lands they encountered? No?

By contrast, I very much liked that they added that historical context to the role of the British Navy. But that's just me.
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Urban Ag said:

aTmAg said:

I've seen this once, and I remember not giving a rats ass about that one dudes quest to find animals. I thought that was a waste of screentime.
Ok so maybe you know or don't know that British expeditionary ships historically brought along scientists, geographers, etc, to document and study the new lands they encountered? No?

By contrast, I very much liked that they added that historical context to the role of the British Navy. But that's just me.
So merely mention it or something. Show him going off with cages and coming back later. Don't spend 40% of the movie on it. There is a reason there aren't any blockbusters about birdwatching.
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It's been a while since you've seen the movie, and you've only seen it once so I'll give you a pass.
But here's how you are wrong:

In addition to being historically accurate, the Doctor's quest for animal specimens resulted in seeing the French ship moored on the other side of the island they were on, thus gaining an advantage for the Brits.

Also - the doctor's love of animals allowed him to contemplate the camouflage of the insects on the island & thus camouflage his ship as a whaling vessel which allowed the Brits to get close enough to the French Ship so their guns could penetrate the hull of those snail eating frogs.

Also, 40% of the movie? Now you're just being ridiculous.


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Apache said:

It's been a while since you've seen the movie, and you've only seen it once so I'll give you a pass.
But here's how you are wrong:

In addition to being historically accurate, the Doctor's quest for animal specimens resulted in seeing the French ship moored on the other side of the island they were on, thus gaining an advantage for the Brits.

Also - the doctor's love of animals allowed him to contemplate the camouflage of the insects on the island & thus camouflage his ship as a whaling vessel which allowed the Brits to get close enough to the French Ship so their guns could penetrate the hull of those snail eating frogs.

Also, 40% of the movie? Now you're just being ridiculous.
This movie was fictional, right? When you say "historically accurate", that sorta implies that this was a real crew and all of that. If it were a true story, then I take almost everything back, assuming they portrayed stuff how it actually went down.

Now if it was a fictional movie (like I thought), then they can choose what to spend screen time on. My go to example is First Man: there you have a movie about a man who lived one of the most interesting and exciting lives in world history, and yet the movie chose to focus on his marital strife (which is boring and happens to half marriages). Well here, you got guys doing this amazing stuff, and yet the show focused too much time on a dude who wanted to study animals which is about as mundane as it gets. And if I remember right, he was a bit of a beotch whining about wanting to go fetch animals and all of that crap, and then hesitated to drop them and tell Russell Crow about the French ship.

I don't remember exactly how much time they spent on that part, but it felt like 40% to me. They could have found plenty of other ways to have somebody spot that ship or consider camouflage.


That being said, I thought the show was good, just not great. I may watch it again and give it a second shot. I saw it on one of the streaming networks recently.
Apache
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Quote:

This movie was fictional, right? When you say "historically accurate", that sorta implies that this was a real crew and all of that.
It is fictional - based on a highly-acclaimed book series. It would be historically accurate for British ships to have someone who is a scientific officer of some sort on board. Sure they could have handled the camo or spotting the ship differently, but it made complete sense the way they did it.
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S2kAgGiE04 said:

if we can beat france then, we can beat em again!

are you British?

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One of the best presentations of the age of the tall ship and life in the navies of the time. Good story to complement the cinematography and the visuals. Love this movie. When I catch it on TV I normally will stop down on it.
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Apache said:

Quote:

This movie was fictional, right? When you say "historically accurate", that sorta implies that this was a real crew and all of that.
It is fictional - based on a highly-acclaimed book series. It would be historically accurate for British ships to have someone who is a scientific officer of some sort on board. Sure they could have handled the camo or spotting the ship differently, but it made complete sense the way they did it.
Wasn't he the doctor with a hobby? Not really a "science officer" of sorts?

Plenty of options make sense. Some more boring that others. I just wish they picked a more interesting one.
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An excellent movie. My favorite of Russell Crowe's performances. The kind of movie we aren't treated to much anymore.
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One of my favorites and I movie I watch every year.
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I miss Fast Fred.
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You better hold fast.
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aTmAg said:

Apache said:

It's been a while since you've seen the movie, and you've only seen it once so I'll give you a pass.
But here's how you are wrong:

In addition to being historically accurate, the Doctor's quest for animal specimens resulted in seeing the French ship moored on the other side of the island they were on, thus gaining an advantage for the Brits.

Also - the doctor's love of animals allowed him to contemplate the camouflage of the insects on the island & thus camouflage his ship as a whaling vessel which allowed the Brits to get close enough to the French Ship so their guns could penetrate the hull of those snail eating frogs.

Also, 40% of the movie? Now you're just being ridiculous.
This movie was fictional, right? When you say "historically accurate", that sorta implies that this was a real crew and all of that. If it were a true story, then I take almost everything back, assuming they portrayed stuff how it actually went down.




I think by "historically accurate" he means that depictions in the movie were accurate for the time period, and they absolutely were. The ship, the sailors, the makeup of the crew, the actions and strategies of the two different ships, and just about everything in the movie was accurate for the period. The story itself was fictional, but it was a pretty much perfect depiction of the time.

This also would have been typical of the ship's doctor. They would have been the only person on board with any kind of scientific training, and collecting specimens, documenting them, and keeping drawings and notes of their voyage was very important because it could buy them a lot of standing at home in England within academia and scientific societies. They were also trained as naturalists as a part of their medical training, so this kind of job naturally attracted this type of person. It's really just another historically accurate depiction of what someone in this role would have been like.
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I'm not questioning or denying the accuracy. I'm just saying that I didn't care for that part of the story. I don't remember if it was because the doctor was a whiney beotch about it (I may be remember that incorrectly) or it was just slow. I just remember loving all the strategy and seamanship part of it, and wished they did that more.

Sorta like how I like battle scenes more than senate scenes in the first Star Wars prequel.
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It's an absolute shame that we never got any more movies from the Aubrey Maturin catalogue. Master and Commander is so excellent.
One Eyed Reveille
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Senate scenes in Last Jedi would have helped
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Atreides Ornithopter said:

Senate scenes in Last Jedi would have helped
Frankly, I barely remember the prequels anymore. It took a lot of brain power to remember that the senate scenes in the first one were boring as hell. Don't even get me into the Disney era movies. Rogue One is the only one that is good.
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