I had forgotten about it coming out, but it is now available. I loved season 1 and hope season 2 can match it.

Surprised there hasn't been more interest on here about season 2. I enjoyed season 1as well.

Can't wait to jump into this tonight

Watch list for when I get a chance to watch. Season 1 was quite good.

started ep 1 at lunch

does not disappoint

Villian is a white, male, christian conservative. 4 things Hollywierd hates.

If they can work in a white wife, 2 or more children, and a pitbull they got 7 reasons to hate him.

I also forgot this was coming out today. Time to celebrate MLK the way it was meant to be

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Jigsaw needs a more "Jigsaw" face. He was scarred up at the season finale.

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Have only seen the trailer for S2 but this was my first thought... what the hell??? Jigsaw in the comics is messed up. And at the end of S1 his face should've been completely deformed... But in the trailers he's got just a few scratches on his face and is still the best looking guy on the show?

Seriously, what was the mask for? Is vanity this guy's superpower?

Maybe he truly earns the "Jigsaw" name after round 2 with Frank.

Didn't realize the actress from Man in the High Castle was in this.

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FaceMask said:

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Jigsaw needs a more "Jigsaw" face. He was scarred up at the season finale.

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Have only seen the trailer for S2 but this was my first thought... what the hell??? Jigsaw in the comics is messed up. And at the end of S1 his face should've been completely deformed... But in the trailers he's got just a few scratches on his face and is still the best looking guy on the show?

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So he actually addressed it in an interview. I still think it's kind of BS, but this sounds like someone thought they were going to really leave their artistic stamp on an idea.

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In terms of the facial scarring, I wanted more. I wanted them to pull my eye down and push the lip up, and have it be a little bit more disconcerting. But honestly, they persuaded me to have it where it was by explaining to me. Veterans who come back who've lost a limb are treated a certain way; veterans who haven't, you think they're okay, but they're really not.

People could walk down the street and see Billy Russo with this mangled face and be like, 'Oh my God, are you okay?' And those are the main sets of reactions, right? But actually, if you can't really see... Like if I look in the mirror and see a horror show, that's more interesting than what you see on my face.

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https://www.cinemablend.com/television/2465373/why-the-punishers-jigsaw-doesnt-have-the-comics-grisly-scars-in-season-2


Here is someone's fan art though.

PatAg said:

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I also forgot this was coming out today. Time to celebrate MLK the way it was meant to be

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What does this even mean? Lmao

Champ Bailey said:

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He's more of a neo-Nazi than an alt-right guy in the show. He is based off the Mennonite from the comics. Are neo-Nazis not allowed to be bad guys anymore?

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Forgive me, the article I read on it described him as a demented "alt-right" guy but we're splitting hairs...alt-righters are basically Nazis to the left.

Here you go:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/insertcoin/2019/01/01/buckle-up-the-punishers-season-2-villain-is-an-alt-right-christian-fundamentalist/amp/

I just think it's absurd that they're painting him as some scripture quoting Christian. Sorry if that bothers you or anyone else.

Boo Weekley said:

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The Debt said:

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Villian is a white, male, christian conservative. 4 things Hollywierd hates.

If they can work in a white wife, 2 or more children, and a pitbull they got 7 reasons to hate him.

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I try not to be bothered but it is so damned absurd and blatant nowadays. I love this show and actually thought they'd avoid stuff like this. An alt-right Christian fundamentalist with an inexplicable lust for blood and violence, are you kidding me? So dumb, but I'll prob keep watching.

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Not sure what episode you're on, but I don't think he has an inexplicable lust for blood/violence. Or any lust for it for that matter. Seems like he has obligations/debts that he can't escape.


Also, that DHS agent is a crappy actress. It looks like she's always about to cry, he acting never seems fluid, looks like she's trying too hard. Maybe that's what her character is supposed to be, super on edge.

Boo Weekley said:

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Champ Bailey said:

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He's more of a neo-Nazi than an alt-right guy in the show. He is based off the Mennonite from the comics. Are neo-Nazis not allowed to be bad guys anymore?

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Forgive me, the article I read on it described him as a demented "alt-right" guy but we're splitting hairs...alt-righters are basically Nazis to the left.

I just think it's absurd that they're painting him as some scripture quoting Christian. Sorry if that bothers you or anyone else.

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Yeah, you see in the show he's got Iron Cross and SS tattoos over his body.

Granted, I'm only halfway through the season, but I think he is a pretty badass villain so far. The scripture-quoting Nazi is a pretty old villain archetype.

From your article,

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One of the reasons that Lightfoot chose not to identify Pilgrim as The Mennonite was the danger of broad application. "I deliberately didn't do that because I didn't want to say this particular faith or creed [is bad]. Because I didn't want to buttonhole people like that," he said. "I think faith's a great thing. I think it drives an awful lot of the good in the world, but I think if you believe in anything to the point where anyone who doesn't agree with you is the enemy, then that can never end well."

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Champ Bailey said:

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Boo Weekley said:

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Champ Bailey said:

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He's more of a neo-Nazi than an alt-right guy in the show. He is based off the Mennonite from the comics. Are neo-Nazis not allowed to be bad guys anymore?

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Forgive me, the article I read on it described him as a demented "alt-right" guy but we're splitting hairs...alt-righters are basically Nazis to the left.

I just think it's absurd that they're painting him as some scripture quoting Christian. Sorry if that bothers you or anyone else.

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Yeah, you see in the show he's got Iron Cross and SS tattoos over his body.

Granted, I'm only halfway through the season, but I think he is a pretty badass villain so far. The scripture-quoting Nazi is a pretty old villain archetype.

From your article,

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One of the reasons that Lightfoot chose not to identify Pilgrim as The Mennonite was the danger of broad application. "I deliberately didn't do that because I didn't want to say this particular faith or creed [is bad]. Because I didn't want to buttonhole people like that," he said. "I think faith's a great thing. I think it drives an awful lot of the good in the world, but I think if you believe in anything to the point where anyone who doesn't agree with you is the enemy, then that can never end well."

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What other scripture quoting Nazi villains are there in past or present movies/shows? Not doubting you, just don't think I've seen that villain before.

Boo Weekley said:

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Champ Bailey said:

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Boo Weekley said:

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Champ Bailey said:

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He's more of a neo-Nazi than an alt-right guy in the show. He is based off the Mennonite from the comics. Are neo-Nazis not allowed to be bad guys anymore?

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Forgive me, the article I read on it described him as a demented "alt-right" guy but we're splitting hairs...alt-righters are basically Nazis to the left.

I just think it's absurd that they're painting him as some scripture quoting Christian. Sorry if that bothers you or anyone else.

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Yeah, you see in the show he's got Iron Cross and SS tattoos over his body.

Granted, I'm only halfway through the season, but I think he is a pretty badass villain so far. The scripture-quoting Nazi is a pretty old villain archetype.

From your article,

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One of the reasons that Lightfoot chose not to identify Pilgrim as The Mennonite was the danger of broad application. "I deliberately didn't do that because I didn't want to say this particular faith or creed [is bad]. Because I didn't want to buttonhole people like that," he said. "I think faith's a great thing. I think it drives an awful lot of the good in the world, but I think if you believe in anything to the point where anyone who doesn't agree with you is the enemy, then that can never end well."

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What other scripture quoting Nazi villains are there in past or present movies/shows? Not doubting you, just don't think I've seen that villain before.

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Weren't the Nazis in Indiana Jones pretty religious?

But you are right, I probably should have said the self-righteous, scripture-quoting villain. There have been a bunch from basically any Ku Klux Clan portrayal in a movie (John Goodman from "O Brother, Where art thou," comes to mind immediately), a lot of Western's, etc.

I don't really take it as a slight against my faith as long as the character and the acting is good. And so far, this seems to be a pretty good character imo. In fact, them changing him up from just being a unyielding Mennonite as he was in the comics, to a full-blown neo-Nazi in the show, shows imo that they wanted to keep the central element to his character, without going overboard on the anti-Christian stuff.

Champ Bailey said:

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Boo Weekley said:

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Champ Bailey said:

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Boo Weekley said:

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Champ Bailey said:

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He's more of a neo-Nazi than an alt-right guy in the show. He is based off the Mennonite from the comics. Are neo-Nazis not allowed to be bad guys anymore?

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Forgive me, the article I read on it described him as a demented "alt-right" guy but we're splitting hairs...alt-righters are basically Nazis to the left.

I just think it's absurd that they're painting him as some scripture quoting Christian. Sorry if that bothers you or anyone else.

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Yeah, you see in the show he's got Iron Cross and SS tattoos over his body.

Granted, I'm only halfway through the season, but I think he is a pretty badass villain so far. The scripture-quoting Nazi is a pretty old villain archetype.

From your article,

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One of the reasons that Lightfoot chose not to identify Pilgrim as The Mennonite was the danger of broad application. "I deliberately didn't do that because I didn't want to say this particular faith or creed [is bad]. Because I didn't want to buttonhole people like that," he said. "I think faith's a great thing. I think it drives an awful lot of the good in the world, but I think if you believe in anything to the point where anyone who doesn't agree with you is the enemy, then that can never end well."

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What other scripture quoting Nazi villains are there in past or present movies/shows? Not doubting you, just don't think I've seen that villain before.

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Weren't the Nazis in Indiana Jones pretty religious?

But you are right, I probably should have said the self-righteous, scripture-quoting villain. There have been a bunch from basically any Ku Klux Clan portrayal in a movie (John Goodman from "O Brother, Where art thou," comes to mind immediately), a lot of Western's, etc.

I don't really take it as a slight against my faith as long as the character and the acting is good. And so far, this seems to be a pretty good character imo. In fact, them changing him up from just being a unyielding Mennonite as he was in the comics, to a full-blown neo-Nazi in the show, shows imo that they wanted to keep the central element to his character, without going overboard on the anti-Christian stuff.

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Good point, I guess it's just played out/predictable and annoying to me. It makes more sense if you're doing a period piece from back in the klan days or something...when this kind of racism was more of an issue. To be honest I'm more concerned with left winged extremists than right winged these days...but that's a non-starter in Hollywood obviously.

In episode 3 I liked how they contrasted his twisted perverted faith of Pilgrim with the more traditional mainstream faith of the sheriff. That tells me there most likely isn't some clear cut political/anti-Christian agenda at play. Ultimately I am just pretty tired of political and other agendas making their way into so many films these days. Doesn't seem like that's really going on here the more I watch.

Agreed on the Sherriff.

As far as the politics go, Punisher was always fairly political. The original story was basically about this disillusioned Vietnam Vet who was fighting to take back the city from criminals because of the failures of the justice system. This show also hits on that a lot, but it's also done a really great job on showing the problems vets have with readjusting to civilian life. I tend to give them a lot of leeway before allowing something in the show to irritate me because of it.

I think the difference is these aren't in a vacuum. The villain in today's society has a heavy push more towards devoit Christian than Nazi.

Good show. Definitely a guilty pleasure. Predictable (only so many ways you can do the Punisher story line), but it does it in a beautiful way.

I like Pilgrim. I can see how those looking to be offended can have an issue with him. What I like about the character is that I see him in a lot of Christians these days. Maybe not devout types, but "suburbianity" - ie, those that contort the word to fit conveniently in their lives and they justify their actions with the same contorted message. Those whose Facebook feeds are profound pictures of their faith, yet they justify cheating on or leaving their significant other because god wanted them happy.

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I think the difference is these aren't in a vacuum. The villain in today's society has a heavy push more towards devoit Christian than Nazi.

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Spoilers from the end of the season

So it turns out that Pilgrim was a Neo-Nazi for years, and then he bottoms out, gets arrested, and discovered by the Schulz family and repents and converts to Christianity. He admits he got over his prejudiced beliefs with Curtis. So basically the family he works for basically warped him into this Christian hitman.

I think that article above is largely jumping to conclusions trying to tie anything to politics with him..

Champ Bailey said:

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AgMarauder04 said:

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I think the difference is these aren't in a vacuum. The villain in today's society has a heavy push more towards devoit Christian than Nazi.

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Spoilers from the end of the season

So it turns out that Pilgrim was a Neo-Nazi for years, and then he bottoms out, gets arrested, and discovered by the Schulz family and repents and converts to Christianity. He admits he got over his prejudiced beliefs with Curtis. So basically the family he works for basically warped him into this Christian hitman.

I think that article above is largely jumping to conclusions trying to tie anything to politics with him..

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Maybe, but the overt stating the family is alt right is pretty blatant.

Netflix will be canceling this show soon

Enjoyed this season, S1 was better IMHO.
The psycho-analysis got old.

Champ Bailey said:

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AgMarauder04 said:

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I think the difference is these aren't in a vacuum. The villain in today's society has a heavy push more towards devoit Christian than Nazi.

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Spoilers from the end of the season

So it turns out that Pilgrim was a Neo-Nazi for years, and then he bottoms out, gets arrested, and discovered by the Schulz family and repents and converts to Christianity. He admits he got over his prejudiced beliefs with Curtis. So basically the family he works for basically warped him into this Christian hitman.

I think that article above is largely jumping to conclusions trying to tie anything to politics with him..

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Yep...but NOT...definitely NOT...a Mennonite hitman...a Christian hitman (lol). Because we have to be careful not to denigrate certain faiths per the creator of the show or whoever (another lol).

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One of the reasons that Lightfoot chose not to identify Pilgrim as The Mennonite was the danger of broad application. "I deliberately didn't do that because I didn't want to say this particular faith or creed [is bad]. Because I didn't want to buttonhole people like that

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Just funny to me...not triggered...basically, "we have to be careful not to paint with a broad brush when it comes to people of faith...so instead of painting with a narrow brush, let's paint with as broad a brush as we can find".

Still a fun show. The toxic masculinity is refreshing.

I liked the mug shot scene of Frank showing his height at about 6'3".
Bernthal is listed at 5'11" in his bio... not as short as most male actors in hollywood. Been watching since that scene and they never show an angle that is a level shot with him standing close to a female character.

I got a chuckle out of that as well.

But as Ari Gold said "I can make Tom cruise look like Yao ****ing Ming"

For anyone that finished the season, did you think that it was odd for the Punisher to let the hitman live at the end? I get that he might have a sore spot for the guy's kids, but still seems out of character. Arguably he was a victim of that husband/wife as well, but after all he did, he basically got away scot-free.

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For anyone that finished the season, did you think that it was odd for the Punisher to let the hitman live at the end? I get that he might have a sore spot for the guy's kids, but still seems out of character. Arguably he was a victim of that husband/wife as well, but after all he did, he basically got away scot-free.

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Yes, WAY out of character. Not a woman and not a kid.