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What the board's rule on cross-thread spoilers?

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Figured I'd ask. I'm defining a "cross-thread spoiler" as a comment/comparison/meme from one series or movie posted on another thread about an entirely different subject.
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For me it depends on the popularity of the reference. But here's a series of rules I just now came up with for how long you have to wait before it's okay to reference something that's a spoiler.

Hugely popular tv shows: 48 hours
Blockbuster movies: A week
Less popular TV-only shows: 24 hours after the last episode of the season
Shows where whole seasons are released at once (ex: Stranger Things): a month
Non-blockbuster movies: two months

Note: This does not apply if the reference is to a big 'twist.' For example 'Bruce Willis was dead the whole time.' If you're referencing a twist, then like... five years.
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bobinator said:


Note: This does not apply if the reference is to a big 'twist.' For example 'Bruce Willis was dead the whole time.' If you're referencing a twist, then like... five years.


He was?!
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bobinator said:

For me it depends on the popularity of the reference. But here's a series of rules I just now came up with for how long you have to wait before it's okay to reference something that's a spoiler.

Hugely popular tv shows: 48 hours
Blockbuster movies: A week
Less popular TV-only shows: 24 hours after the last episode of the season
Shows where whole seasons are released at once (ex: Stranger Things): a month
Non-blockbuster movies: two months

Note: This does not apply if the reference is to a big 'twist.' For example 'Bruce Willis was dead the whole time.' If you're referencing a twist, then like... five years.

That seems insanely short, especially for cross-threads.
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bobinator said:

For me it depends on the popularity of the reference. But here's a series of rules I just now came up with for how long you have to wait before it's okay to reference something that's a spoiler.

Hugely popular tv shows: 48 hours
Blockbuster movies: A week
Less popular TV-only shows: 24 hours after the last episode of the season
Shows where whole seasons are released at once (ex: Stranger Things): a month
Non-blockbuster movies: two months

Note: This does not apply if the reference is to a big 'twist.' For example 'Bruce Willis was dead the whole time.' If you're referencing a twist, then like... five years.
Not enough time, IMO. I work with somebody who was late to Game of Thrones, and has been binge watching it for a couple months and is just now 3 episodes from the end. I suspect she is not alone. She's been basically sequestering herself from everything she can, but yet was still spoiled on big plot points.

I basically assume a year for everything, and ask the person if they have seen the show/movie just in case.


Edit: at a previous employer, there was a guy who long ago spoiled Return of the Jedi to somebody. That somebody in turn spoiled some subsequent big movie to the first guy. Then it turned into a spol-a-thon between those two for every movie, but innocent bystanders became collateral damage. By the time I joined the company, the "tradition" evolved to the point where the entire group would go watch the movie together on opening night right after work to avoid getting spoiled. If you didn't go that first viewing, then you were out of luck. It sorta sucked. I've always hated going to movies on opening night. I would at typically least wait a week or so to avoid lines.
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A month seems like a fair amount of time to me for almost any content.
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In person is completely different. You can just simply ask everyone involved in the conversation if they've seen whatever it is so there's really no limit there.

But if someone is willingly venturing onto an entertainment-focused message board, then I think what I posted is pretty reasonable. That's like recording a sporting event that you don't want to know the score of and then walking into a sports bar.

Now, I could agree that if for some reason you're referencing something on another board like the football board then maybe a universal longer time of like a month is better. But this is the entertainment board, it's a place where people talk exclusively about movies/shows/etc. After those given time frames you enter at your own risk.
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Also there's a simple solution if you're not sure, just use the tags. That's what they're there for. You can do something like:

This is like (potential spoiler from xxxx) whatever
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bobinator said:

In person is completely different. You can just simply ask everyone involved in the conversation if they've seen whatever it is so there's really no limit there.

But if someone is willingly venturing onto an entertainment-focused message board, then I think what I posted is pretty reasonable. That's like recording a sporting event that you don't want to know the score of and then walking into a sports bar.

Now, I could agree that if for some reason you're referencing something on another board like the football board then maybe a universal longer time of like a month is better. But this is the entertainment board, it's a place where people talk exclusively about movies/shows/etc. After those given time frames you enter at your own risk.

I don't know about that. It seems like you should be able to go on to this board and read threads about certain shows, movies, albums, etc without having to be worried about a random joke post spoiling a movie you haven't seen.

I know a lot of you guys are able to stay very current, and I'm envious. But that's not everybody's situation. I mean, after a point it was on me that I hadn't seen Endgame for a month. But a week? 2 days for TV? That's nuts.
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Those time-lines are ridiculously short.

Keep your spoiler memes comments to the designated TV\Movie spoiler thread.

Spoiling something on a completely different topic is a dick move.
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bobinator said:

In person is completely different. You can just simply ask everyone involved in the conversation if they've seen whatever it is so there's really no limit there.

But if someone is willingly venturing onto an entertainment-focused message board, then I think what I posted is pretty reasonable. That's like recording a sporting event that you don't want to know the score of and then walking into a sports bar.

Now, I could agree that if for some reason you're referencing something on another board like the football board then maybe a universal longer time of like a month is better. But this is the entertainment board, it's a place where people talk exclusively about movies/shows/etc. After those given time frames you enter at your own risk.
I do not think your sports bar analogy is good. People go to sports bars to actually watch the sporting event and they know that ESPN will show every score of every game on the bottom of the screen. We do not come to the entertainment board to actually watch movies, but to discuss them.

And unless they have no kids, wife, etc. then it is hard for everybody to see every movie within 48 hours of it coming out. So using your time frame, I would have to avoid the entire entertainment board altogether if there is any movie, show, etc. that came out more than 48-hours/1-week ago that I have not yet seen. That is simply not reasonable.

For example, I waited to watch Endgame when my kids came home from college (since I saw the first one with them). That was a couple weeks. Yet I still would like to be able to discuss GoT, Chernobyl, etc. the day after the episode came out. It would suck to have to avoid discussing any of those just out of fear that somebody may spoil endgame in one of those other threads.


I think it is reasonable to have spoilers for Endgame in an Endgame specific thread the day after the movie came out. But just like we are not allowed to put spoilers in titles, we shouldn't be able to spoil unrelated movies/shows in threads not about those movies/shows (until way after they are done).
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MW03 said:

bobinator said:

In person is completely different. You can just simply ask everyone involved in the conversation if they've seen whatever it is so there's really no limit there.

But if someone is willingly venturing onto an entertainment-focused message board, then I think what I posted is pretty reasonable. That's like recording a sporting event that you don't want to know the score of and then walking into a sports bar.

Now, I could agree that if for some reason you're referencing something on another board like the football board then maybe a universal longer time of like a month is better. But this is the entertainment board, it's a place where people talk exclusively about movies/shows/etc. After those given time frames you enter at your own risk.

I don't know about that. It seems like you should be able to go on to this board and read threads about certain shows, movies, albums, etc without having to be worried about a random joke post spoiling a movie you haven't seen.

I know a lot of you guys are able to stay very current, and I'm envious. But that's not everybody's situation. I mean, after a point it was on me that I hadn't seen Endgame for a month. But a week? 2 days for TV? That's nuts.
I agree, if the title of the thread doesn't clearly state what is being discussed, then don't spoil another show.

real example: reading Game of Thrones thread, it is not cool to spoil Avengers: End Game with an off hand comment. It is cool to discuss everything GOT related that has been released without fear of spoilers, because it is a thread dedicated to discussing said show and current progress. However: It is not cool to read a spoiler on Reddit and then make a prediction about how GOT is going to end because you have been tainted by reading Reddit spoilers. It is even worse when you say, I have been reading Reddit spoilers and most people are going to be very upset with the ending; and then 2 pages later say, I think the mad queen theory is right and I predict the unsullied and Dothraki are going to go nuts and destroy Kings Landing (a week before episode 5).

if someone self outs themselves as reading spoilers, it is best to just block them at that point because they are tainted.

(I think it is OK to discuss GOT ending even on a cross thread at this point, but spoiler tags anyways.
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Eso si, Que es said:

MW03 said:

bobinator said:

In person is completely different. You can just simply ask everyone involved in the conversation if they've seen whatever it is so there's really no limit there.

But if someone is willingly venturing onto an entertainment-focused message board, then I think what I posted is pretty reasonable. That's like recording a sporting event that you don't want to know the score of and then walking into a sports bar.

Now, I could agree that if for some reason you're referencing something on another board like the football board then maybe a universal longer time of like a month is better. But this is the entertainment board, it's a place where people talk exclusively about movies/shows/etc. After those given time frames you enter at your own risk.

I don't know about that. It seems like you should be able to go on to this board and read threads about certain shows, movies, albums, etc without having to be worried about a random joke post spoiling a movie you haven't seen.

I know a lot of you guys are able to stay very current, and I'm envious. But that's not everybody's situation. I mean, after a point it was on me that I hadn't seen Endgame for a month. But a week? 2 days for TV? That's nuts.
I agree, if the title of the thread doesn't clearly state what is being discussed, then don't spoil another show.

real example: reading Game of Thrones thread, it is not cool to spoil Avengers: End Game with an off hand comment. It is cool to discuss everything GOT related that has been released without fear of spoilers, because it is a thread dedicated to discussing said show and current progress. However: It is not cool to read a spoiler on Reddit and then make a prediction about how GOT is going to end because you have been tainted by reading Reddit spoilers. It is even worse when you say, I have been reading Reddit spoilers and most people are going to be very upset with the ending; and then 2 pages later say, I think the mad queen theory is right and I predict the unsullied and Dothraki are going to go nuts and destroy Kings Landing (a week before episode 5).

if someone self outs themselves as reading spoilers, it is best to just block them at that point because they are tainted.

(I think it is OK to discuss GOT ending even on a cross thread at this point, but spoiler tags anyways.
Agree. And if I am posting an Endgame spoiler in a thread about GoT, I should do this (an example not a real spoiler):

---- Within non-Endgame related thread ----
Endgame Spoiler:Endgame Spoiler goes here
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Spoiler alert: Ford wins the 1966 24 Hours of Le Mans
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I guess I'm looking at it not so much in how long I would wait to post a spoiler reference, because I'd probably wait a month or so for most anything and I'd probably spoiler tag it anyway, but more like how long I think I should reasonably be able to expect to avoid a spoiler.

If there's something big I haven't seen yet, I completely avoid this board until I've seen it.

But if it's something like Endgame, and it's been a whole week, I no longer have the expectation that I'm not going to get something spoiled if I venture onto the board. And same with something like a mega TV show like Game of Thrones or something, though GOT was probably in a class by itself in that regard so making a blanket rule based on that one show is probably a bad call.
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So I knew that, because I went and looked it up and spoiled myself on purpose. But I still think this is uncool for people who don't know the history and want to go into the movie blind.
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bobinator said:

I guess I'm looking at it not so much in how long I would wait to post a spoiler reference, because I'd probably wait a month or so for most anything and I'd probably spoiler tag it anyway, but more like how long I think I should reasonably be able to expect to avoid a spoiler.

If there's something big I haven't seen yet, I completely avoid this board until I've seen it.

But if it's something like Endgame, and it's been a whole week, I no longer have the expectation that I'm not going to get something spoiled if I venture onto the board. And same with something like a mega TV show like Game of Thrones or something, though GOT was probably in a class by itself in that regard so making a blanket rule based on that one show is probably a bad call.
I think it is reasonable to be able to expect for somebody to be able to discuss one movie while not getting spoiled on others. There are people, like me, who are unable to see a movie within a week of release. We are driving kids to soccer games on weekends, going out of town, waiting until kids get home from college, etc.

It's not to much to ask for people to keep their spoilers confined to one thread and to sp-tag posts in other threads. It's not like they are getting screwed over or anything.
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It probably is reasonable, but I don't trust people.
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bobinator said:

It probably is reasonable, but I don't trust people.
Yeah, some people are A-holes.

I guess what I am saying is that if they do spoil in other threads, then I'm going to flag them and I hope that staff bans them for a while.
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aTmAg said:

bobinator said:

For me it depends on the popularity of the reference. But here's a series of rules I just now came up with for how long you have to wait before it's okay to reference something that's a spoiler.

Hugely popular tv shows: 48 hours
Blockbuster movies: A week
Less popular TV-only shows: 24 hours after the last episode of the season
Shows where whole seasons are released at once (ex: Stranger Things): a month
Non-blockbuster movies: two months

Note: This does not apply if the reference is to a big 'twist.' For example 'Bruce Willis was dead the whole time.' If you're referencing a twist, then like... five years.
Not enough time, IMO. I work with somebody who was late to Game of Thrones, and has been binge watching it for a couple months and is just now 3 episodes from the end. I suspect she is not alone. She's been basically sequestering herself from everything she can, but yet was still spoiled on big plot points.

I basically assume a year for everything, and ask the person if they have seen the show/movie just in case.


Edit: at a previous employer, there was a guy who long ago spoiled Return of the Jedi to somebody. That somebody in turn spoiled some subsequent big movie to the first guy. Then it turned into a spol-a-thon between those two for every movie, but innocent bystanders became collateral damage. By the time I joined the company, the "tradition" evolved to the point where the entire group would go watch the movie together on opening night right after work to avoid getting spoiled. If you didn't go that first viewing, then you were out of luck. It sorta sucked. I've always hated going to movies on opening night. I would at typically least wait a week or so to avoid lines.
A year? On the internet? Never going to happen
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MBAR said:

aTmAg said:

bobinator said:

For me it depends on the popularity of the reference. But here's a series of rules I just now came up with for how long you have to wait before it's okay to reference something that's a spoiler.

Hugely popular tv shows: 48 hours
Blockbuster movies: A week
Less popular TV-only shows: 24 hours after the last episode of the season
Shows where whole seasons are released at once (ex: Stranger Things): a month
Non-blockbuster movies: two months

Note: This does not apply if the reference is to a big 'twist.' For example 'Bruce Willis was dead the whole time.' If you're referencing a twist, then like... five years.
Not enough time, IMO. I work with somebody who was late to Game of Thrones, and has been binge watching it for a couple months and is just now 3 episodes from the end. I suspect she is not alone. She's been basically sequestering herself from everything she can, but yet was still spoiled on big plot points.

I basically assume a year for everything, and ask the person if they have seen the show/movie just in case.


Edit: at a previous employer, there was a guy who long ago spoiled Return of the Jedi to somebody. That somebody in turn spoiled some subsequent big movie to the first guy. Then it turned into a spol-a-thon between those two for every movie, but innocent bystanders became collateral damage. By the time I joined the company, the "tradition" evolved to the point where the entire group would go watch the movie together on opening night right after work to avoid getting spoiled. If you didn't go that first viewing, then you were out of luck. It sorta sucked. I've always hated going to movies on opening night. I would at typically least wait a week or so to avoid lines.
A year? On the internet? Never going to happen
I'm saying that I personally assume a year or so when I am talking to people.
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