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Batman Vs. Superman

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NoahAg
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I needed something to watch while on the treadmill so I started Batman vs Superman for the first time. 2 hours in, and I just can't get into this one. Overall it's pretty boring. I guess I missed it but I have no idea why Batman and Superman hate each other. The cast is pretty weak. Afleck is out of place. Why is the batsuit so freaking huge? The Superman actor isn't bad, he's just very dull. Lex Luther was poorly cast and the dude is overacting.

What was the popular response to the movie? Did people like it? I've seen the Dark Knight and the Dark Knight Rises and thought they were very good.

(Yeah, I don't watch a lot of movies, particularly most of the superhero movies over the last 10 years. Maybe it's just not my genre)
Definitely Not A Cop
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Fun but forgettable imo.
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NoahAg said:

I needed something to watch while on the treadmill so I started Batman vs Superman for the first time. 2 hours in, and I just can't get into this one. Overall it's pretty boring. I guess I missed it but I have no idea why Batman and Superman hate each other. The cast is pretty weak. Afleck is out of place. Why is the batsuit so freaking huge? The Superman actor isn't bad, he's just very dull. Lex Luther was poorly cast and the dude is overacting.

What was the popular response to the movie? Did people like it? I've seen the Dark Knight and the Dark Knight Rises and thought they were very good.

(Yeah, I don't watch a lot of movies, particularly most of the superhero movies over the last 10 years. Maybe it's just not my genre)
were you on a treadmill for 2 HOURS??
NoahAg
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haha, about 1.5. Then watched some at lunch.
rhutton125
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I got around to BvS super late. I'd heard all the jokes and criticism.

My thing is, it's just boring. In the first 2/3 of the movie, there's one lame batmobile sequence and one dream sequence and that's about it for action. The last 1/3 is all action, and it's not much better for it.

The Batman warehouse fight is good, but he also lets a goon shoot him in the back of the head. He's also caught twice trying to sneak around Lex's party. World's worst detective!
EMY92
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I watched the first 30-45 minutes once, it didn't deserve anymore of my time.
AgfromHOU
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He hates him for bringing an alien invasion to Earth in Man of Steel, and thinks he is powerful enough to destroy the Earth on a whim.

Outside of the Wonder Woman intro and seeing Flash, Aquaman, and Cyborg on screen for the first time, this movie is way too dour and not that fun. I'm saying this as a huge DC fan/homer. I appreciate the attempt to create a superhero drama, but the attempt fell flat and the payoffs that were supposed to come later in the series never came because the director was fired.
Cinco Ranch Aggie
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Well, here goes another opinion against the TexAgs collective. I actually really enjoyed that movie, but it took me several viewings to get to that point. It is not a perfect movie by any stretch, as already noted, but like other movies the collective finds objectionable, it gets way too much hate.

It was a dark movie. As noted in the previous post, Batman is ticked that Superman brought extraterrestrials to earth and then brought down much of Metropolis in defeating General Zod. The movie is a slow build, true. Henry Cavill looks like Superman. I was initially aghast at Affleck's casting as Bruce Wayne/Batman, but after seeing him in the cape, I felt like he nailed the idea of a brooding, vengeful Batman who has faced much loss in his life (as evidenced by the quick shot of what was supposed to be Robin's outfit, I think). I really liked Jeremy Irons (Hans Gruber's brother from Die Hard with a Vengeance) as Alfred. Wonder Woman was fantastic, although the seemingly endless previews over the seeming years waiting for this movie ruined what should have been a HELL YEAH moment.

I don't really know how to tread here, since you've indicated you only watched 1.5 hours, so I will spoiler tag the following for you. Read if you care, or not. Many here absolutely hated Doomsday in this movie. I did, too - at least initially. But upon many subsequent viewings, I found myself drawn to that entire part of the movie. The capture of Clark's earth mom, the challenge delivered to Superman to kill Batman, and then the birth of Doomsday - followed by the throw-down between Superman and Doomsday, with a booming, brooding score by Hans Zimmer, just kept me on a wierd emotional high that probably goes way back to when I was 3-4 years old and my grandmother would take me to the 7-11 behind her house to get a Slurpee, which often came in a big plastic cup adorned with DC characters like Batman and Superman, so the chance to get to see these characters on the big screen together was a big deal for me. Yikes, what a crappy run-on run-on run-on sentence there.

This movie laid the foundation for Justice League, which had a couple of decent moments but was largely garbage. And that's too bad, because I believe there is an audience for a well-done DC series. Maybe not Avengers box office numbers, but certainly profitable and also well done. DC/Warners made a huge mistake in not taking the time to build up their movies like Marvel did, so that when the time came for Justice League, the movie-going world would be ready for it. They also made a mistake with BvS, as this movie should have come much later in the series rather than a quasi Man-of-Steel II.
AgfromHOU
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I think if done right, JL could beat the first three Avengers movies in box office dollars. Maybe by the time we get one it'll beat Endgame, but only because of inflation.
Fat Bib Fortuna
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The problem with Batman vs. Superman is always the same. It's Batman fighting Superman. I remember having fun conversations with TC and others here about what that actual fight would look like with scenarios like:

"Batman jumps into the Batmobile to escape. Superman picks up the Batmobile and throws it into the Indian Ocean."

Superman's got his super hearing all the time except when he could hear his mother crying out for help in the alley. He can hear Lois Lane FALLING from god knows how far away, but his own mother screaming bloody murder doesn't register.

I really enjoyed Affleck's part in the movie. Batman 20-25 years in, and now it's not just the thugs and the mob and the crazy supervillains, but aliens who are so powerful that even a nuclear missile can't stop them. So he goes on the offensive and while most of that fight (read: KrtyptoSpear) is ridiculously scripted, it's fun watching Superman get his ass kicked a little.

That said, Gal Gadot is the takeaway from that movie, and her Wonder Woman solo movie remains DC's bright shining star for me, along with Man of Steel.
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NoahAg said:

I needed something to watch while on the treadmill so I started Batman vs Superman for the first time. 2 hours in, and I just can't get into this one. Overall it's pretty boring. I guess I missed it but I have no idea why Batman and Superman hate each other. The cast is pretty weak. Afleck is out of place. Why is the batsuit so freaking huge? The Superman actor isn't bad, he's just very dull. Lex Luther was poorly cast and the dude is overacting.

What was the popular response to the movie? Did people like it? I've seen the Dark Knight and the Dark Knight Rises and thought they were very good.

(Yeah, I don't watch a lot of movies, particularly most of the superhero movies over the last 10 years. Maybe it's just not my genre)

Lex Luthor is always a bit overacted. Gene Hackman version sticks out in my mind. Eisenberg just doesn't fit the role is the biggest problem I had. I though Kevin Spacey did the best Lex to date.
Cinco Ranch Aggie
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Gal Gadot as Wonder Woman turned out to be fantastic casting. I guess I was still stuck in the '70s with the old TV show, and it was a reaction much like those bozos wailing about wanting Adam West back when they learned that Michael FREAKING Keaton had been cast as Batman back in '89. But GG is a smoke show, and she carries the role perfectly (in each of her WW appearances in BvS, WW, and JL).

I didn't touch on Luthor in BvS in my post above. I believe Gene Hackman is Lex Luthor. Hackman is IMO one of the top 5 actors of all time. He looks the part, one can believe he is a multi-billionaire and all that. No one can usurp Hackman in that role. Kevin Spacey was also really good in the role. Superman Returns was a decent movie for the most part, but I don't tend to even remember it given that I had mostly turned away from comic book based movies at the time of its release due to the sheer suckitude in the last 3 original Batman movies, and had not yet discovered that comic book movies could actually be awesome (ie, better than the first two Spider-Man movies or any of the X-Men movies) with the MCU.

So in comes Jesse Eisenberg as Luthor. On the surface, I think it was good casting. It went completely against the type set forth with Hackman/Spacey. He delivered crazy well in BvS, but the problem with him is that I just could not see him as this incredibly wealthy entrepeneur with grandiose ideas of world domination. He comes across as a spoiled brat who inherited daddy's billions and is now throwing a temper tantrum. Good idea as far as his casting went, but the execution ultimately fails, perhaps due to writing, perhaps due to his age or how they made him look like some kind of whacked-out millennial more interested in where his next bong was coming from rather than doing business things.

One other thing I really liked about BvS was the political stuff. The Congressional investigations into Superman, and how Luthor was able to use that to his advantage (at least for a time).
rhutton125
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Forgot to mention Eisenberg. It's so awful. My favorite part is when he "intimidates" that congressman into eating a jolly rancher. But the guy didn't really have anything to be scared of. It's ridiculous.

Superman has less dialogue in this than Spider-Man had in Civil War, by the way. So for a movie called Batman v Superman, there really wasn't that much Superman.
Fat Bib Fortuna
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rhutton125 said:



Superman has less dialogue in this than Spider-Man had in Civil War, by the way. So for a movie called Batman v Superman, there really wasn't that much Superman.
did you count?
rhutton125
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Not personally. It looks like this article is from before Civil War was released, but I don't see anything out there saying it's wrong.

https://www.cinemablend.com/new/Spider-Man-May-Have-More-Dialogue-Civil-War-Than-Superman-Had-Dawn-Justice-128037.html

Superman pretty much mopes around in BvS. He's not as chatty as a stammering teenaged Peter Parker, but that's still pretty bizarre for a movie that bears his name. And includes his death. And he was the only superhero going into this film that was established at all.
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Cinco Ranch Aggie said:

Well, here goes another opinion against the TexAgs collective. I actually really enjoyed that movie, but it took me several viewings to get to that point. It is not a perfect movie by any stretch, as already noted, but like other movies the collective finds objectionable, it gets way too much hate.

It was a dark movie. As noted in the previous post, Batman is ticked that Superman brought extraterrestrials to earth and then brought down much of Metropolis in defeating General Zod. The movie is a slow build, true. Henry Cavill looks like Superman. I was initially aghast at Affleck's casting as Bruce Wayne/Batman, but after seeing him in the cape, I felt like he nailed the idea of a brooding, vengeful Batman who has faced much loss in his life (as evidenced by the quick shot of what was supposed to be Robin's outfit, I think). I really liked Jeremy Irons (Hans Gruber's brother from Die Hard with a Vengeance) as Alfred. Wonder Woman was fantastic, although the seemingly endless previews over the seeming years waiting for this movie ruined what should have been a HELL YEAH moment.

I don't really know how to tread here, since you've indicated you only watched 1.5 hours, so I will spoiler tag the following for you. Read if you care, or not. Many here absolutely hated Doomsday in this movie. I did, too - at least initially. But upon many subsequent viewings, I found myself drawn to that entire part of the movie. The capture of Clark's earth mom, the challenge delivered to Superman to kill Batman, and then the birth of Doomsday - followed by the throw-down between Superman and Doomsday, with a booming, brooding score by Hans Zimmer, just kept me on a wierd emotional high that probably goes way back to when I was 3-4 years old and my grandmother would take me to the 7-11 behind her house to get a Slurpee, which often came in a big plastic cup adorned with DC characters like Batman and Superman, so the chance to get to see these characters on the big screen together was a big deal for me. Yikes, what a crappy run-on run-on run-on sentence there.

This movie laid the foundation for Justice League, which had a couple of decent moments but was largely garbage. And that's too bad, because I believe there is an audience for a well-done DC series. Maybe not Avengers box office numbers, but certainly profitable and also well done. DC/Warners made a huge mistake in not taking the time to build up their movies like Marvel did, so that when the time came for Justice League, the movie-going world would be ready for it. They also made a mistake with BvS, as this movie should have come much later in the series rather than a quasi Man-of-Steel II.
I mostly agree with you on the Doomsday part. The action sequence was great, especially with Wonder Woman stepping in like she did, and made the first 2/3 of the movie worth slogging through. I think my major complaint there is that they completely changed up what Doomsday was. In the comics, he's engineered on Krypton, and as such represents a sin of the past from Superman's people that is wreaking havoc across the galaxy and comes to Earth, and because of that, it is Superman's duty to protect his new home from his old. The way they did it felt completely shoehorned in and felt like a complete waste of a major villain. It would be like Marvel introduced Galactus in the last half hour of the first Avengers, made him a creation of Loki, and had him immediately killed. There's no build up, and the threat just doesn't seem to be as large as it should

As for my unpopular opinion, I actually liked Justice League. Not a great movie, but I found it pretty enjoyable overall.
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The BvS extended cut is actually pretty damn good.

This movie tends to get lumped in with Justice League (which is NOT good), but this movie is one of the better DCEU films, IMHO.

(Man of Steel is still far and away the best, though.)
NoahAg
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AgfromHOU said:

He hates him for bringing an alien invasion to Earth in Man of Steel, and thinks he is powerful enough to destroy the Earth on a whim.

Outside of the Wonder Woman intro and seeing Flash, Aquaman, and Cyborg on screen for the first time, this movie is way too dour and not that fun. I'm saying this as a huge DC fan/homer. I appreciate the attempt to create a superhero drama, but the attempt fell flat and the payoffs that were supposed to come later in the series never came because the director was fired.


So maybe the movie would make more sense if I watch Man of steel? I haven't seen that either.
MGS
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I still don't understand why Lex Luthor killed Mercy Graves.
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