I remember this story.

This instance was definitely murder but I guarantee you it's gonna be an anti-gun, anti stand your ground hit piece.

That ***** was a lying psychopath. She was as POS who knew exactly what she was doing and regretted nothing.

What a horrible, awful woman. I have no doubt she intended to murder that woman. I don't believe for a second she feared for her life. Watching the victim's boys both find out the news their mom had died....heartbreaking.

Spoiler alert: it isn't

Horrible situation. The parents share some blame for letting their kids stay out so late especially next to a crazy ladies house. I think a good lawyer could have gotten her off. The other kids parents who were consoling the children of the mom who was murdered seemed like they've done this before. Almost like people getting shot and killed is a fairly normal occurrence.

I couldn't get through 5 mins of this thing


Literally everyone was a welfare clown


Idk how yall watched an hour & half of that

I'm guessing this documentary was paid for by the victims family. The lady is crazy, but I'm sure the kids weren't perfect the whole time either. I think there's probably a better story in there somewhere, but the doc skips over the whole trial and whatever sort of defense she tried to present. The police seemed to insinuate that she had researched stand your ground laws in some sort of premeditated plan to lure the neighbor over, but then they seem to just forget that. It also seemed like the old lady might have had some video, but they only showed two one second clips.

The lady is definitely crazy, and probably lucky she didn't get murder. I especially liked when she ran into the gate and the property owner said she caused damage to it, to which she replied, "What about the damage it caused to my truck?" As if it's the gate's fault for getting in her way.

Anyways, my review. Probably a good story in there somewhere, but poor execution.

Hank the Grifter said:

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Hank the Grifter said:

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I remember this story.

This instance was definitely murder but I guarantee you it's gonna be an anti-gun, anti stand your ground hit piece.

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Yup, I missed this one. Very surprised it didn't take that turn but I also agree with a review above….this felt very unfinished.

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At the end it had some statistics that said there's been more blacks killed because of the stand your ground laws. But this lady went to prison and the stand your ground didn't apply so it was a little confusing. Like maybe this isn't the best example to use for that.

this lady was awful but on the law side of things I was on her side by the end.

what are you supposed to do? wait until the lady gets in the house and see she has a gun before you fire? might be too late at that point.

cloudy situation for me because I think Susan sucks and probably wanted to kill one of her neighbors, but the way it went down, its hard for me to convict her and send her to prison.

they kept saying she should have waited for the cops to get there. Well the lady on her property should have called the cops too instead of going onto someone else's property herself.

If the mom got in the house then Susan has the full protection of the stand your ground law to defend herself. Shooting through a locked closed door does not qualify as standing your ground in my opinion.

gigemJTH12 said:

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this lady was awful but on the law side of things I was on her side by the end.

what are you supposed to do? wait until the lady gets in the house and see she has a gun before you fire? might be too late at that point.

cloudy situation for me because I think Susan sucks and probably wanted to kill one of her neighbors, but the way it went down, its hard for me to convict her and send her to prison.

they kept saying she should have waited for the cops to get there. Well the lady on her property should have called the cops too instead of going onto someone else's property herself.

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The victim never got past knocking.. Suspect blindly shot through a door, she could have killed the kid, or perhaps an LEO that had just showed up and not knocked yet.. She had ZERO defense in my opinion, I don't know how you could be on her side. You at least have to identify what you are shooting at to kill.

So, yes, you have to wait until the person enters the home, or at least be able to plainly see them and ensure they are threatening your life with a deadly weapon, or whatever.

Stand your ground can't be justified if you have no idea what you are shooting at and if that person is a threat to your life.

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There was one in Dallas years ago. Guy came to a friend/ girl friends house, i think he had been drinking. tried to go in the back door. it was locked. Banged on the door over and over. shaking the handle. person inside was concerned that he was going to break in and kill them. Owner shot high on the door to scare him off. problem was he was 6'6" and hit him in the head.

Person got off for shooting the guy due to the law.

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The bolded part is key.

A front door has implied invitation, but the back door to your home does not. This concept even extends to an LEO.
So that person in your story who took the bullet was trespassing (just as if they were in your home), and now stand your ground can be defended, although still questionable if this person actually admitted they fired the gun to scare the person. Maybe they lied about their intentions to imply it was for fear of their life.

A person knocking on your front door is not trespassing.

https://nccriminallaw.sog.unc.edu/9309-2/

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Also, wasn't she asked by the police why she didn't call 911 while the woman was banging on the door? To which she responded that she couldn't find her phone? But immediately after shooting the woman she was then able to find the phone and call 911? Do I have that right?

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The suspects story is she called police to report that kids were bothering her, then about 10 minutes later the lady showed up banging on the door for 20-30 seconds. She told her to go away, then the banging stopped, and suspect said she went go wash her hands. Banging started again and supposed 'I'm going to kill you' threats, and suspect to went to kitchen looking for her phone but couldn't find it. Then she said 2-5 minutes later, she fired the gun, and found gun to call police.

The actual timeline per phone records was she called police to complain (that kids were bothering her), and TWO MINUTES after that phone call ended, she called again saying she shot the woman through the door.

That's only a span of 2 minutes for the victim to show up to the house, bang on the door, suspect go get a gun, fire the gun, then call police again. That's a really quick timeline. She realistically hung up with police, grabbed a gun, and as soon as that lady started banging on door, she fired the gun, and called police back.

The lady that was killed had a full time job as manager at McDonald's. What exactly made you determine everyone was on welfare?????

It was a good documentary. the police calls prior to the shooting that they showed were handled very professionally. The cops knew the shooter was the main problem in all of those calls.

It was 9 pm in the summer (no school.) That doesn't seem completely unreasonable for kids to be together in their own neighborhood.

It's a giant empty grass lot prime for football games among the neighborhood kids. They weren't trespassing so why should they all bend to the will of a Karen?

Regardless of all the other stuff, she shot blindly through a closed and locked door. That's the differentiator here and where manslaughter comes into play. Her actions were reckless and caused another person's death.