His return feels nearer than ever before.
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I couldn't agree more! I've heard it said recently that its 11:59pm, and now is the time to get busy sharing the gospel so as many can reach Heaven as possible.
I can't help feeling He's needed now more than ever. Before we do serious harm to ourselves and His creation...not to mention mankind is now challenging Him with things like AI.
whatthehey78 said:
His return feels nearer than ever before.
I can't wait.
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There may be a few signs still yet to come that makes me think otherwise. However, for each of us, we should be ready!
In part this is a tautology. If you believe Jesus is returning at some point then any advance in time brings you closer to that moment. But for the sake of discussion, what exactly is making you think it's now rather than the other 4,378,927 times people have thought the end was nigh?
whatthehey78 said:
His return feels nearer than ever before.
Technically this is a true statement
Sapper Redux said:
In part this is a tautology. If you believe Jesus is returning at some point then any advance in time brings you closer to that moment. But for the sake of discussion, what exactly is making you think it's now rather than the other 4,378,927 times people have thought the end was nigh?
I can't specify any one, two or a hundred specific circumstances...but a few issues that seem relevant to this sinner who is saved only by His glorious grace are:
1. Man's seeming inability to eliminate warfare or EVEN try to avoid it. Instead we enrich ourselves from it.
2. God created diversity and even separated the nations/cultures. Today we attempt to eliminate His purpose.
3. I may be wrong, but my interpretation of AI is equivalent to man replacing His omnipotence and reign over His creation.
4. Attempts to undo His plan for who are made man and or woman via gender surgery is to my way of thinking a direct subversion of God's will.
5. The fact that homosexuality is more or less accepted and shamed for frowning on it.
6. The fact that abortion can now impact national election outcomes, indicating God's will/plan is of no importance to a majority.
7. Religion is more often abused (which is overlooked) than used in a serious effort to save souls. Sadly, IMHO Christ's church and its leaders have drifted from His soul saving message.
And in terms of trends associated with the above...I sense they trend upward and away from our Creator's will.
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God created diversity and even separated the nations/cultures. Today we attempt to eliminate His purpose.
You wanna explain just exactly what you mean by this one?
Sapper Redux said:Quote:
God created diversity and even separated the nations/cultures. Today we attempt to eliminate His purpose.
You wanna explain just exactly what you mean by this one?
Jesus is coming soon because the US allows entry to too many Mexicans at the border.
ETA: winky emoji to emphasize sarcasm
Sapper Redux said:Quote:
God created diversity and even separated the nations/cultures. Today we attempt to eliminate His purpose.
You wanna explain just exactly what you mean by this one?
Just because peoples are separate, doesn't mean they aren't equal?
kurt vonnegut said:Sapper Redux said:Quote:
God created diversity and even separated the nations/cultures. Today we attempt to eliminate His purpose.
You wanna explain just exactly what you mean by this one?
Just because peoples are separate, doesn't mean they aren't equal?
Totally 100% agree.
Sapper Redux said:Quote:
God created diversity and even separated the nations/cultures. Today we attempt to eliminate His purpose.
You wanna explain just exactly what you mean by this one?
With His help, I will try:
God, in fact separated mankind for their arrogance in self instead of their faith in Him alone.
Today, man has apparently decided that bringing diverse cultures together will eliminate prejudice among His people. I think doing so...has proven without a doubt that it does not come near to accomplishing that. The various races offer much to mankind's general well being...but they will never become "one" for the purpose of benefiting "all". Almighty God realized that. Again, Man remains too arrogant to realize the same and in doing so, continues to work against His will.
Man, as usual looks everywhere EXCEPT UP for guidance.
whatthehey78 said:Sapper Redux said:Quote:
God created diversity and even separated the nations/cultures. Today we attempt to eliminate His purpose.
You wanna explain just exactly what you mean by this one?
With His help, I will try:
God, in fact separated mankind for their arrogance in self instead of their faith in Him alone.
Today, man has apparently decided that bringing diverse cultures together will eliminate prejudice among His people. I think doing so...has proven without a doubt that it does not come near to accomplishing that. The various races offer much to mankind's general well being...but they will never become "one" for the purpose of benefiting "all". Almighty God realized that. Again, Man remains too arrogant to realize the same and in doing so, continues to work against His will.
Man, as usual looks everywhere EXCEPT UP for guidance.
So you don't think racism and hatred have gotten better over the last century as people have become more connected? Really? Would you like a primer as to what things were like in the recent past? And what you're arguing is what white supremacists argued in favor of slavery and Jim Crow. So just how are you threading this needle?
Sapper Redux said:whatthehey78 said:Sapper Redux said:Quote:
God created diversity and even separated the nations/cultures. Today we attempt to eliminate His purpose.
You wanna explain just exactly what you mean by this one?
With His help, I will try:
God, in fact separated mankind for their arrogance in self instead of their faith in Him alone.
Today, man has apparently decided that bringing diverse cultures together will eliminate prejudice among His people. I think doing so...has proven without a doubt that it does not come near to accomplishing that. The various races offer much to mankind's general well being...but they will never become "one" for the purpose of benefiting "all". Almighty God realized that. Again, Man remains too arrogant to realize the same and in doing so, continues to work against His will.
Man, as usual looks everywhere EXCEPT UP for guidance.
So you don't think racism and hatred have gotten better over the last century as people have become more connected? Really? Would you like a primer as to what things were like in the recent past? And what you're arguing is what white supremacists argued in favor of slavery and Jim Crow. So just how are you threading this needle?
Having personally witnessed the last 80 yrs...no, I can't faithfully say things have become better between all God's people. We still kill one another EVERY day, and do so in abundance. I clearly remember mass shootings and things like 9/11, terrorism, smart bombs and bunker busters were not only uncommon...but unheard of. IMHO hate has increased exponentially between the various cultures over the last 8 decades of my observation. I'm not convinced that an ever shrinking world and human efforts like DEI will solve the problem...ONLY His return will do that!
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IMHO hate has increased exponentially between the various cultures over the last 8 decades of my observation
80 years ago included one of the worst genocides in human history and 70-60 years ago saw an insane amount of violence against Black Americans for daring to seek basic rights. The idea that things have gotten worse makes no sense in historical comparison.
Sapper Redux said:Quote:
IMHO hate has increased exponentially between the various cultures over the last 8 decades of my observation
80 years ago included one of the worst genocides in human history and 70-60 years ago saw an insane amount of violence against Black Americans for daring to seek basic rights. The idea that things have gotten worse makes no sense in historical comparison.
If your proclaiming 80 yrs ago included the Holocaust, your wrong. Close but as they say...no cigar. Violence against black Americans is true, BUT the numbers today (black vs white and vice versa) are pretty much the same...any net difference is decisively immaterial. The numbers Christians versus Muslims (East vs West) are again, exponentially higher than 80, 70, 60...1 yrs ago. Sorry...but war and hatred rules the day and it isn't going away...UNTIL HE RETURNS.
It appears this item is the ONLY one from my list you take offense to...so I have to assume you agree with the rest and more or less accept my premise. Thank you and do have a blessed day!
No, I don't accept your premise, and your numbers are all wrong. To say nothing of the gross inhumanity and evil of segregation and Jim Crow. I picked this one because it was a fairly explicit endorsement of racial segregation, the kind of which used to be considered gross until recently, I guess.
You are never too old to learn the truth.
Don't the post-millennialists have to help Jesus out by taking over the government first? Which would make America more Christian? And of course, we know that Jesus is depending most of all on America, both his bellwether AND his favorite country.
94chem,
That, sir, was the greatest post in the history of TexAgs. I salute you. -- Dough
That, sir, was the greatest post in the history of TexAgs. I salute you. -- Dough
94chem said:
Don't the post-millennialists have to help Jesus out by taking over the government first? Which would make America more Christian? And of course, we know that Jesus is depending most of all on America, both his bellwether AND his favorite country.
That sure seems hostile, and I don't know any 'post-millennialists' who have claimed such a position. Do you have a cite to such positions? There have always, since at least Paul, been those who thought Christ's return was imminent.
It seems entirely unbiblical to believe Jesus/God is relying on America. He may or may not be using it, but that is an entirely different perspective/assertion.
nortex97 said:94chem said:
Don't the post-millennialists have to help Jesus out by taking over the government first? Which would make America more Christian? And of course, we know that Jesus is depending most of all on America, both his bellwether AND his favorite country.
That sure seems hostile, and I don't know any 'post-millennialists' who have claimed such a position. Do you have a cite to such positions? There have always, since at least Paul, been those who thought Christ's return was imminent.
It seems entirely unbiblical to believe Jesus/God is relying on America. He may or may not be using it, but that is an entirely different perspective/assertion.
Post-millennialism isn't some secret doctrine. In your opinion, is creation moving away from, or toward, God's intended plan? Feel free to think in terms of systemic entropy if you prefer, i.e. the world and not just America.
94chem,
That, sir, was the greatest post in the history of TexAgs. I salute you. -- Dough
That, sir, was the greatest post in the history of TexAgs. I salute you. -- Dough
94chem said:nortex97 said:94chem said:
Don't the post-millennialists have to help Jesus out by taking over the government first? Which would make America more Christian? And of course, we know that Jesus is depending most of all on America, both his bellwether AND his favorite country.
That sure seems hostile, and I don't know any 'post-millennialists' who have claimed such a position. Do you have a cite to such positions? There have always, since at least Paul, been those who thought Christ's return was imminent.
It seems entirely unbiblical to believe Jesus/God is relying on America. He may or may not be using it, but that is an entirely different perspective/assertion.
Post-millennialism isn't some secret doctrine. In your opinion, is creation moving away from, or toward, God's intended plan? Feel free to think in terms of systemic entropy if you prefer, i.e. the world and not just America.
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the post-millennialists have to help Jesus out by taking over the government
What post-millennialists are claiming they have to take over the government to help Jesus? This seems like a simple question, and no the 500 year old belief system/dogma isn't a secret. I am not aware of any American politicians who adhere to such a doctrine.
Maybe they exist elsewhere, I am just curious if that assertion is rooted in any actual folks in office, with such beliefs, or is otherwise a false canard.
BTW, I am not certain at all that 'we' agree that Jesus holds America in high regard, especially today. I'd frankly be surprised to learn that is true, given various national shifts over the past 40 years, from wars to infanticide etc.
Alex, I'll take…
"5. The fact that homosexuality is more or less accepted and shamed for frowning on it."
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The first half of this statement is debatable, because I do not think it is "more or less accepted." While the awareness of same sex attraction has been discussed at pastoral levels in various denominations, I think there is still a great deal we don't know about the nature of this orientation.
Speaking only from the Catholic position, we as a church have come to understand that there are people who indeed are same sex attracted. We have not changed the understanding of sacramental marriage, but have expanded the tent (so to speak) for non-married persons striving to live a chaste life. These people include homosexual persons. Meaning that homosexual persons are able to participate in the life of the Church.
The second half of the statement is too vague to respond. Maybe you can elaborate on who is doing this "frowning" and why should their view matter when it comes to the second coming of Jesus?
"5. The fact that homosexuality is more or less accepted and shamed for frowning on it."
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The first half of this statement is debatable, because I do not think it is "more or less accepted." While the awareness of same sex attraction has been discussed at pastoral levels in various denominations, I think there is still a great deal we don't know about the nature of this orientation.
Speaking only from the Catholic position, we as a church have come to understand that there are people who indeed are same sex attracted. We have not changed the understanding of sacramental marriage, but have expanded the tent (so to speak) for non-married persons striving to live a chaste life. These people include homosexual persons. Meaning that homosexual persons are able to participate in the life of the Church.
The second half of the statement is too vague to respond. Maybe you can elaborate on who is doing this "frowning" and why should their view matter when it comes to the second coming of Jesus?
"Feelings" Good and bad.
Pretty sure EVERYONE is entitled to them.
Praise God for making EVERYONE unique in His INFINITE wisdom! AMEN.
Pretty sure EVERYONE is entitled to them.
Praise God for making EVERYONE unique in His INFINITE wisdom! AMEN.
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