What do you believe is the cause for this growth?
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Islam is the fastest growing major religion on our planet
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Last: 1 mo ago by canadiaggie
Gonna need to run a few TPS reports to find out
Very simply, their fertility rates are much higher than the other religions'
TPS_Report said:
What do you believe is the cause for this growth?
Clearly because Islam is the one true faith.
10andBOUNCE said:
Gonna need to run a few TPS reports to find out
Dang it! I hope I get the cover sheet right this time.
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TeddyAg0422 said:
Very simply, their fertility rates are much higher than the other religions'
How does a religion have a fertility rate?
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Sapper Redux said:TPS_Report said:
What do you believe is the cause for this growth?
Clearly because Islam is the one true faith.
Hmmm... I wouldn't say that. Moreover, I HOPE it's not.
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Adherents of Islam reproduce at a higher rate than do adherents of other religions
TeddyAg0422 said:
Adherents of Islam reproduce at a higher rate than do adherents of other religions
Ok. But what does that have to do with religion?
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The children that are born are considered Muslim
TeddyAg0422 said:
The children that are born are considered Muslim
Why is that?
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They're considered Muslim at birth because they're born to Muslim parents, so will have a natural disposition towards Islam
TeddyAg0422 said:
They're considered Muslim at birth because they're born to Muslim parents, so will have a natural disposition towards Islam
Are you saying religious inclination is genetic?
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TFR is actually sharply falling in most Muslim countries.
Pakistan was at 6% in the 90s and is at 3% now.
Turkey is at 1.5%, below replacement.
Saudi is at 2.1%
Egypt is at 2.4%
Indonesia is at 2.1%
Iran is at 1.6%.
The only place it remains high without any real sign of decline is Saharan Africa.
Pakistan was at 6% in the 90s and is at 3% now.
Turkey is at 1.5%, below replacement.
Saudi is at 2.1%
Egypt is at 2.4%
Indonesia is at 2.1%
Iran is at 1.6%.
The only place it remains high without any real sign of decline is Saharan Africa.
No, I'm not making any personal statements about what I believe. I'm just answering your original question about why Islam is seen as the fastest growing religion on the planet.
It's simply because the people compiling the metrics include infants born to Muslim parents as Muslim. So since Muslim couples reproduce, on average, at a higher rate than do other religions' couples, the numbers will show Islam as the fastest growing religion.
Edit: And no, it is not genetic at all. They are naturally disposed to Islam because that is the belief system of their parents. Just like a baby born in a Christian household is naturally disposed to Christianity.
It's simply because the people compiling the metrics include infants born to Muslim parents as Muslim. So since Muslim couples reproduce, on average, at a higher rate than do other religions' couples, the numbers will show Islam as the fastest growing religion.
Edit: And no, it is not genetic at all. They are naturally disposed to Islam because that is the belief system of their parents. Just like a baby born in a Christian household is naturally disposed to Christianity.
TeddyAg0422 said:
No, I'm not making any personal statements about what I believe. I'm just answering your original question about why Islam is seen as the fastest growing religion on the planet.
It's simply because the people compiling the metrics include infants born to Muslim parents as Muslim. So since Muslim couples reproduce, on average, at a higher rate than do other religions' couples, the numbers will show Islam as the fastest growing religion.
Edit: And no, it is not genetic at all. They are naturally disposed to Islam because that is the belief system of their parents. Just like a baby born in a Christian household is naturally disposed to Christianity.
Are you saying children who are taught a religion typically believe that religion? Is that what you mean by "naturally disposed to Islam"?
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Not just taught, but taught in the household and practiced by the parents.
For example, my parents are practicing Christians. Though through my own research I now land in a different flavor of Christianity than them, I have always identified as a Christian because that is what my parents raised me as before I started making my own informed decisions
For example, my parents are practicing Christians. Though through my own research I now land in a different flavor of Christianity than them, I have always identified as a Christian because that is what my parents raised me as before I started making my own informed decisions
Total fertility rate (TFR) figures you posted look fairly accurate, but (a) their rates in places such as Pakistan and parts of Africa are problematic, and (b) we have unfortunately (and more importantly) seen a tremendous growth of their adherents in the US.
I remain convinced this is the most dangerous ideology that threatens us near term, and is still not being addressed, frankly.
From the history of Islamophobia, to Islamic tribalism, how Islam thrives on 'doormat Christianity', to the fake 'history' that some people have fallen for, how Muslims exploit the Bible, how 'moderate Islam' is as stupid as 'moderate Nazism', to how screwed Europe is, and more,… pic.twitter.com/dQqcTlDDTF
— Tony Gurule (@RealTonyGurule) March 23, 2026
I remain convinced this is the most dangerous ideology that threatens us near term, and is still not being addressed, frankly.
As Christianity declines in Europe and North America, the charismatic/pentecostal and evangelical forms of it ard growing rapidly in Latin America, Africa and Asia. (The Global South).
I recall being in Ghana 6 years ago and it seems there was an Assembly of God church every few blocks.
I recall being in Ghana 6 years ago and it seems there was an Assembly of God church every few blocks.
“If you’re going to have crime it should at least be organized crime”
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This is true, but it's only because these are new experiences for these areas of the world. The shelf life of Pentecostal and non denom churches are significantly lower than that of traditional churches, on average. This is a new, exciting, energizing experience for lots of people in these areas, but it will die down as they experience burnout and a desire for even more stimulation
TeddyAg0422 said:
This is true, but it's only because these are new experiences for these areas of the world. The shelf life of Pentecostal and non denom churches are significantly lower than that of traditional churches, on average. This is a new, exciting, energizing experience for lots of people in these areas, but it will die down as they experience burnout and a desire for even more stimulation
If the shelf life is short, why has Pentecostalism become the biggest, fastest growing segment of Christianity over the past 126 years?
“If you’re going to have crime it should at least be organized crime”
-Havelock Vetinari
-Havelock Vetinari
126 years is a very, very short amount of time. Eventually it'll run its course. Look at the turnover rate among individuals that attend Pentecostal churches. Unfortunately I don't have anything readily on hand to link here, but I know a quick google search will show you what you're looking for
TeddyAg0422 said:
126 years is a very, very short amount of time. Eventually it'll run its course. Look at the turnover rate among individuals that attend Pentecostal churches. Unfortunately I don't have anything readily on hand to link here, but I know a quick google search will show you what you're looking for
You are aware there is a big charismatic movement among Catholics, right?
https://www.ccr.org.au/about-ccr/what-is-catholic-charismatic-renewal
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Charismatic_Renewal#:~:text=Catholics%20who%20practice%20charismatic%20worship%20usually%20hold,based%20on%20baptism%20in%20the%20Holy%20Spirit%22.
“If you’re going to have crime it should at least be organized crime”
-Havelock Vetinari
-Havelock Vetinari
Your point being?
Barbarians. Unregulated sex. Female Oppression. Poor as hell. Crap tons of kids.
But but but… religion of peace!!
TeddyAg0422 said:
But but but… religion of peace!!
I didn't say it
Religion of barbarians
That's still putting it too kindly
TeddyAg0422 said:
Not just taught, but taught in the household and practiced by the parents.
For example, my parents are practicing Christians. Though through my own research I now land in a different flavor of Christianity than them, I have always identified as a Christian because that is what my parents raised me as before I started making my own informed decisions
So in the end, it appears you are saying the fertility rate of Muslims is linked to the expansion of Islam because the children of Muslims will be indoctrinated into Islam. Is this correct?
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All I've been saying the entire time is that Muslim families have more kids than do other religions, hence why we see the predictions we do about Muslim populations.
Is there something unclear about what I've been saying? Do you have an alternative explanation?
Is there something unclear about what I've been saying? Do you have an alternative explanation?
TeddyAg0422 said:
All I've been saying the entire time is that Muslim families have more kids than do other religions, hence why we see the predictions we do about Muslim populations.
Is there something unclear about what I've been saying? Do you have an alternative explanation?
No, I don't. We agree that the birth-rate of the followers of a given religion correlates to the growth/decline of the population of adherents to said religion.
What I want to clarify in this case is why does it correlate. My belief is children are indoctrinated into the religion of their parents. Further, the earlier indoctrination starts, the stronger it is. Lastly, when the indoctrination is institutionalized and supported with rituals and shared experiences, it becomes deeply entrenched as a part of one's identity.
Do you agree?
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I absolutely agree with you. I think you're spot on. I said it somewhere abovebasically saying the same thing you just didthat when parents practice a religion consistently in the household, odds are that the children will follow the same religion
Part of the "growth" of Islam is false retention rates. Middle Eastern governments publish one number of practicing Muslims in their country (95%+), but non-governmental, anonymous surveys show the number is far, far less in places with open access to the internet. Similar to Christianity, they have their own apostasy happening in large numbers, but no one is going to say it out loud in a place where it gets you killed. Hence the reason for diminishing reproductive rates in those areas, as canada pointed out
Diminishing reproductive rates have to do with improving standards of living. It has little if anything to do with religion. Still, if you're going to make that claim for Islam then you have to admit the numbers of Christians is likely dramatically bolstered by people who have little to know interaction with the faith and have just grown up as cultural Christians.
Sapper Redux said:
Diminishing reproductive rates have to do with improving standards of living. It has little if anything to do with religion.
This is often claimed, but why do we see ultra orthodox groups in these same 1st world conditions that have large families? I'm one of them. There are several on this board. All of us claim it to be due to our religious convictions. I think you can combine the two and say that improved standards of living reduce the religious convictions in the area leading to lower birth rates, but you can't stick with standard of living alone.
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Still, if you're going to make that claim for Islam then you have to admit the numbers of Christians is likely dramatically bolstered by people who have little to know interaction with the faith and have just grown up as cultural Christians.
I thought what I said included that. Christianity is having it's own apostasy, and that includes those that may call themselves Christians
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