Vatican's letter to the German Catholic Church (November 18, 2024)

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Because of recent announcements by the German Catholic Church, here is a translation of the letter sent by the Dicastery of the Doctrine of the Faith, which is the official teaching office of the Roman Catholic Church:

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DICASTERIUM PRO DOCTRINA FIDEI
00120 Citt del Vaticano Palazzo del S. Uffizio

November 18, 2024
Prot. N. 731/2023 102543
Your Excellency,

By your letter of October 24, 2024, you, "also on behalf of the President of the Bishops' Conference, Bp. Georg Btzing," kindly forwarded to this Dicastery a copy of a Vademecum, in German and Italian, intended to serve as a supplement to "Benedictions for Couples Who Love Each Other." At the same time, you indicated that this Vademecum would be presented to the German diocesan bishops at an upcoming occasion, with the aim of offering the bishops "an application of the Declaration Fiducia supplicans to the social and pastoral situation of the dioceses in Germany."

In this regard, having taken note of what you forwarded, I take the liberty of respectfully offering the following observations:

a) The Declaration Fiducia supplicans states that: "The Church does not have the power to confer its liturgical blessing when this, in some way, could offer a form of moral legitimization to a union that presumes to be a marriage or to an extra-marital sexual practice" (n. 11), nor to those who claim "the legitimization of their own status" (cf. n. 31).

Indeed, according to Fiducia supplicans, with such blessings "one does not intend to legitimize anything, but simply to open one's life to God" (n. 40), nor to "sanction… anything" (n. 34), but only to ask for God's help "to live better" and to invoke the Holy Spirit "so that the values of the Gospel may be lived with greater fidelity" (n. 40).

In the text of the Vademecum, however, there is mention of a union and an "official regulation," on the part of pastors, of couples who are outside of marriage with those pastors also becoming the object of a genuine "acclamation," a gesture that is normally part of the marriage ritual. In this sense, the Vademecum effectively legitimizes the status of such couples, in a manner contrary to what is affirmed in Fiducia supplicans.

b) The Declaration Fiducia supplicans, insofar as it concerns the possibility of blessing extra-marital couples, does not allow for any type of liturgical rite or forms of blessings similar to sacramentals that could create confusion (cf. Presentation), affirming that "the form must not find any ritual fixation on the part of ecclesial authorities" (n. 31), and avoiding that such rites "become a liturgical or semi-liturgical act, similar to a sacrament" (n. 36). "For this reason, a ritual for the blessing of couples in an irregular situation should neither be promoted nor provided" (n. 38).

Instead, in the text of the Vademecum, even though there is initially mention of "spontaneity and freedom" regarding blessings conferred on same-sex couples suggesting that these should not be institutionalized through ritual forms a pre-set form is then offered for their implementation, contradicting what was stated earlier.

In particular, in the final section ("Form"), after affirming that "the manner in which the blessing is carried out, the location, the aesthetics of the whole, including the music and the singing, must bear witness to the appreciation of the persons requesting the blessing," a kind of liturgy or para-liturgy is prescribed for the blessing of same-sex couples.

All of this is communicated for every good purpose.

In conveying the above to Your Excellency, I take the opportunity to confirm myself with sentiments of distinguished esteem,

Victor Manuel Card. FERNNDEZ
Prefect To His Most Reverend Excellency Bp. Stephen ACKERMANN Bishop of Trier Postfach 3444 D-54229 Trier GERMANY
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It's a question of intent. An intentionally poorly worded document was intentionally taken advantage of, and they were intentionally given just a light slap on the wrist.

What are the recent German announcements you mention? I did a quick search and came up with nothing
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Recent document (April, 2026) put forward by the German Bishops' Conference and the Central Committee of German Catholics regarding formalized blessings of same sex couples. This came from a previous conference that ran concurrent with the recent synod held at the Vatican a couple of years ago.
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File5 said:

It's a question of intent. An intentionally poorly worded document was intentionally taken advantage of, and they were intentionally given just a light slap on the wrist.

What are the recent German announcements you mention? I did a quick search and came up with nothing



Yes PS could have posted a link or the response itself. Who knows why PS does what he does

Basically, the Germans told the Vatican we've received your concerns but **** off we're gonna do it anyway

Oh, (and this is huge), dialogue continues!

Woo hoo

Ball's in Pope Leo's court
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Here's a link

https://www.thetablet.co.uk/news/german-church-defends-blessings-document-after-pope-voices-concerns/
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June 9 update (from New Ways Ministry site) on the REVISED guidelines published in April, 2026 from the previous draft released in 2024:

It has been "reported that the DDF and the permanent council of the German bishops' conference were included in a revision loop prior to the guidelines' publication suggesting that, for now at least, the Vatican is unperturbed by the contents of the guidelines."

" Others have criticized the handout, with the German church reform group, OutInChurch, saying that the guidelines disregard Germany's Synodal Way resolution which called for a liturgical manual for blessings and rituals for same-gender couples.

"The fact that the Synodal Assembly's resolution at the time has been ignored, at least on this point, in the handout now adopted leads to the continued discrimination against queer people who ask for God's blessing on their relationship," OutInChurch said in a press release."

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So in fact the German Church and the Vatican (DDF office) are now in sync. Not a complete shutdown of spontaneous blessings of same sex couples, but not a full ritual that can be confused for marital rites.
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PabloSerna said:

June 9 update (from New Ways Ministry site) on the REVISED guidelines published in April, 2026 from the previous draft released in 2024:

It has been "reported that the DDF and the permanent council of the German bishops' conference were included in a revision loop prior to the guidelines' publication suggesting that, for now at least, the Vatican is unperturbed by the contents of the guidelines."

" Others have criticized the handout, with the German church reform group, OutInChurch, saying that the guidelines disregard Germany's Synodal Way resolution which called for a liturgical manual for blessings and rituals for same-gender couples.

"The fact that the Synodal Assembly's resolution at the time has been ignored, at least on this point, in the handout now adopted leads to the continued discrimination against queer people who ask for God's blessing on their relationship," OutInChurch said in a press release."

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So in fact the German Church and the Vatican (DDF office) are now in sync. Not a complete shutdown of spontaneous blessings of same sex couples, but not a full ritual that can be confused for marital rites.


Can you provide a link. I'd like to look into that further. I ain't buying it or at least I'm not buying your version of it without verifying it.
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Doing this from my phone (will clean up later):

https://www.newwaysministry.org/2025/06/09/german-catholic-church-offers-guidelines-for-blessings-of-same-gender-couples/

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PabloSerna said:

Doing this from my phone (will clean up later):

https://www.newwaysministry.org/2025/06/09/german-catholic-church-offers-guidelines-for-blessings-of-same-gender-couples/



Just as I thought

Did you bother to read the date?

For **** sake man
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The recent guide or the draft? Stop being coy, what is your point?

ETA: I had to look up what "FFS" means; thou dost give yourself away Lucifer with that tongue of yours.
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PabloSerna said:

The recent guide or the draft? Stop being coy, what is your point?

That link that you said was a June 9 "update" to an April 2026 document is from June 9, 2025
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PabloSerna said:

The recent guide or the draft? Stop being coy, what is your point?

ETA: I had to look up what "FFS" means; thou dost give yourself away Lucifer with that tongue of yours.

clown
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The June 9th was the posting from New Ways Ministries, which hit my feed a couple of days ago.

There was a draft and there was a final version. I don't read German, however, I am reading that the revision released in April… 2025… so not last month, yes I did not catch that- HOWEVER- it was a full year after such draft in 2024. The commentary from New Ways Ministries is important to read because it does appear to me and them that the final version, renamed, "Blessings for couples who love each other" emphasizes less formal type blessings that coupe be misunderstood to be marital rituals. That's important.

Carry on.
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