Are the Secret Service failures in Butler, PA being investigated?

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Im Gipper
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Any announcements?

Seems that this should be towards the top of what law-enforcement in the administration should have someone looking at.


I know Congress (worthless) is looking. What about new Secret Service head? Or put Bongino on it.

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The biggest unanwered question is why did the sniper wait for 3 shots to pull the trigger on the assasin in his sights?

Did he freeze?
Did he think it was a friendly?
Was he following an order?

The longer we don't get an answer to this central question, the more likely the deep state was involved.
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Since nothing has been leaked on it by the AG or FBI, I'd say no.
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I think the democrats have added additional training for those in their pool of potential assassins.
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FobTies said:

The biggest unanwered question is why did the sniper wait for 3 shots to pull the trigger on the assasin in his sights?

Did he freeze?
Did he think it was a friendly?
Was he following an order?

The longer we don't get an answer to this central question, the more likely the deep state was involved.
Is this a known fact?

My understanding is that there was a tree in the way between his station and the assassin. He either had to move or shot at a partially obstructed target.
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And what is happening with the dude arrested in the Florida attempt? I hear only the sound of crickets.
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TheCurl84 said:

And what is happening with the dude arrested in the Florida attempt? I hear only the sound of crickets.


He's in jail waiting trial.
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I can guarantee you that Trump has them being looked into more. I would suspect he has government guys on it but also has his own people on it. Both assassination attempts are highly suspicious and don't appear to be lone wolf attacks, so Trump would be in some dangerous waters if "investigations" have occurred already that haven't nabbed anybody else involved.
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BusterAg said:

FobTies said:

The biggest unanwered question is why did the sniper wait for 3 shots to pull the trigger on the assasin in his sights?

Did he freeze?
Did he think it was a friendly?
Was he following an order?

The longer we don't get an answer to this central question, the more likely the deep state was involved.
Is this a known fact?

My understanding is that there was a tree in the way between his station and the assassin. He either had to move or shot at a partially obstructed target.

You can see the sniper in this video looking at Crooks thru his magnified scope, then looking at him off scope, then back in scope right as gunshots ring out. Then it appears he scrambles to get shots off.

I would accept the explanation that the sniper was in disbelief and hesitated. But we aren't getting that. What happend for the moments before Trump was shot when Crooks was glassed with a range finder and rifle?




Also, local swat had already texted these SS Snipers about Crooks and his ranger finder. SS Snipers 100% already had eyes on Crooks.

As far as I know, no one has heard from thse roof top Snipers. Where are they? If they were standing down or waiting for an order, you will never hear from them.
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Local SWAT was supposed to meet with SS snipers beforehand, that never happened. Why?

Local SWAT confirmed they informed SS command about Crooks, and have texts to prove it. SS denies they were informed. What happened?

All the scrutiny after was focused on the female SS body guards...memes and other noise. Probably to keep us from probing the SS agents and command responsible for the perimeter.

Kim Cheatle made some asinine comments in a dog and pony show hearing, took the fall, and then resigned. Exactly what you would expect to see from an incumbent Dem administration cover up.
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BMX Bandit said:

TheCurl84 said:

And what is happening with the dude arrested in the Florida attempt? I hear only the sound of crickets.


He's in jail waiting trial.


But is he making a sound other than crickets!?
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FobTies said:

The biggest unanwered question is why did the sniper wait for 3 shots to pull the trigger on the assasin in his sights?

Did he freeze?
Did he think it was a friendly?
Was he following an order?

The longer we don't get an answer to this central question, the more likely the deep state was involved.
Why do you come to the conclusion that it should have taken less time for the SS sniper to fully acquire the target, unobstructed of collateral damage, line up a head shot, and take him out. I am genuinely curious.

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They were investigated and that's why the 13 year old was made an agent.
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Today from the man himself.
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FobTies said:

BusterAg said:

FobTies said:

The biggest unanwered question is why did the sniper wait for 3 shots to pull the trigger on the assasin in his sights?

Did he freeze?
Did he think it was a friendly?
Was he following an order?

The longer we don't get an answer to this central question, the more likely the deep state was involved.
Is this a known fact?

My understanding is that there was a tree in the way between his station and the assassin. He either had to move or shot at a partially obstructed target.

You can see the sniper in this video looking at Crooks thru his magnified scope, then looking at him off scope, then back in scope right as gunshots ring out. Then it appears he scrambles to get shots off.

I would accept the explanation that the sniper was in disbelief and hesitated. But we aren't getting that. What happend for the moments before Trump was shot when Crooks was glassed with a range finder and rifle?




Also, local swat had already texted these SS Snipers about Crooks and his ranger finder. SS Snipers 100% already had eyes on Crooks.

As far as I know, no one has heard from thse roof top Snipers. Where are they? If they were standing down or waiting for an order, you will never hear from them.
My understanding from the deep dive I did in this around the incident is that this is not the sniper that made the shot. This sniper did not have a clear shot due to a tree.

The sniper that made the shot was on a grey roof, not a white roof. Here is an article that has the explanation.

Not sure if this was ever questioned or corroborated, but that explains why the guy on the white roof hesitated.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-rally-shooting-tree-snipers-analysis-video-satellite-imagery-cbs-news/
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Urban Ag said:

FobTies said:

The biggest unanwered question is why did the sniper wait for 3 shots to pull the trigger on the assasin in his sights?

Did he freeze?
Did he think it was a friendly?
Was he following an order?

The longer we don't get an answer to this central question, the more likely the deep state was involved.
Why do you come to the conclusion that it should have taken less time for the SS sniper to fully acquire the target, unobstructed of collateral damage, line up a head shot, and take him out. I am genuinely curious.



The SS Sniper shot with his equipment could be executed by a 14 year old girl. See aerial views below, there was no obstruction. From that short distance, with that scope, the sniper could choose which pimple to hit.

Meanwhile Crooks shot Trump in ear with AR15 iron sights, from further more obstructed distance.

As I said, maybe there is an excuse, the issue is we haven't been given one. But it's clear SS command was informed by local SWAT, and the SS Sniper already had Crooks scoped in before Crooks fired.
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Inside job. Obama/Blackrock ordered the hit.
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Long list here of the unanswered questions regarding events in Butler, PA.
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Im Gipper said:

Any announcements?

Seems that this should be towards the top of what law-enforcement in the administration should have someone looking at.
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I saw something a few weeks ago that Trump was going to give the head of secret service job to a man from his secret service detail that day in Butler. It is the Brown haired guy wearing sunglasses standing beside Trump in the fist pump picture. Seems like a bad idea to me. The dude obviously did a bad job making sure the site was secured. Could have gotten Trump killed that day.
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murphyag said:

I saw something a few weeks ago that Trump was going to give the head of secret service job to a man from his secret service detail that day in Butler. It is the Brown haired guy wearing sunglasses standing beside Trump in the fist pump picture. Seems like a bad idea to me. The dude obviously did a bad job making sure the site was secured. Could have gotten Trump killed that day.


You think the SS body guys at the stage were responsible for securing the perimeter?

How about the SS Snipers on the roof who were alerted to Crooks, and appear to have him in their sights?

The 2 snipers are unknown because they were unwittingly complicit, or grossly negligent. There can't really be any other explanation....otherwise we would have heard it by now.





I wouldn't be surprised is there was someone on the comms telling the snipers to hold. If that happened, they would never let us know. The snipers would simply disappear.
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FobTies said:

The biggest unanwered question is why did the sniper wait for 3 shots to pull the trigger on the assasin in his sights?

Did he freeze?
Did he think it was a friendly?
Was he following an order?

The longer we don't get an answer to this central question, the more likely the deep state was involved.
The whole incident needs to be investigated more thoroughly with transparency. Let's see what actually happened and who this kid really was.
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will25u said:


And after their 6 week suspension, they will be reassigned to lesser duties.

No one involved will lose their jobs.
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FobTies said:

The biggest unanwered question is why did the sniper wait for 3 shots to pull the trigger on the assasin in his sights?

Did he freeze?
Did he think it was a friendly?
Was he following an order?

The longer we don't get an answer to this central question, the more likely the deep state was involved.


That is a big question. Why the perimeter did not include the shooter roof top and why the shooter was allowed to roam around un impeded for a long time before the shooting are also big ?

And why did rally attendees notice a problem before law enforcement?
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What a joke

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This is progress in the right direction.

After JFK nobody was punished and several later went on to bigger and better things. One almost immediately working directly for LBJ in a different capacity. Keep in mind a bunch of the guys were literally out all night drinking and one even lost his service pistol.

The next president to get assassinated will result in a few people actually losing their jobs.
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ts5641 said:

FobTies said:

The biggest unanwered question is why did the sniper wait for 3 shots to pull the trigger on the assasin in his sights?

Did he freeze?
Did he think it was a friendly?
Was he following an order?

The longer we don't get an answer to this central question, the more likely the deep state was involved.
The whole incident needs to be investigated more thoroughly with transparency. Let's see what actually happened and who this kid really was.


This is what I don't understand. If I am Trump I never let that sh** go until there is a THOROUGH investigation. I'd be still stewing over it. I hope this is what has been going on beyond the scenes.
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APHIS AG said:

will25u said:


And after their 6 week suspension, they will be reassigned to lesser duties.

No one involved will lose their jobs.


The man with dark brown hair and sunglasses who is standing by Trump in the fist pump picture was appointed by Trump to be the head/director of secret service several months ago. I never understood why Trump gave him that job. The dude almost got Trump killed by doing a crappy job.

There were so many weird things Trump's personal secret service detail did that day. The dumbest to me was the bad protection they gave him after the shooting. Watch right before the fist pump picture. At first there was a taller male agent covering him from the front. Suddenly he moves to the left and the short female agent moves to that spot. She was the shortest agent. She moved into that spot and even kind of crouched down. That left Trump's head, neck, chest completely unblocked. A second shooter would have had an easy shot straight to Trump if there had been another shooter. So dumb on the agents part. The female is the reason Trump was able to do the famous fist punch and yell fight, fight, fight. Shouldn't have ever gotten to that point. Should have had the tallest agent blocking his head and torso.

Kind of interesting that they announced the suspensions now. For about a month my youngest son has been showing me videos from Tic Toc talking about the shooting and Trump's ear. Also showing me videos and stories from Instagram about the shooting, Trump's ear, bad job done by secret service agents, etc. Lots of talking about it. Seemed strange to me because it seemed out of the blue there was lots of talk about that day. Then about a week or two ago there was an article /interview with Trump and he said he still has occasional throbbing in his ear. Then today I see the news about the agents being suspended. I think they should have been fired the next day after the shooting. Or at the very least, they should have been fired once Trump was back in office in January. They should be fired and not given the chance to be rehired. They almost got Trump killed.
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murphyag said:

APHIS AG said:

will25u said:


And after their 6 week suspension, they will be reassigned to lesser duties.

No one involved will lose their jobs.


The man with dark brown hair and sunglasses who is standing by Trump in the fist pump picture was appointed by Trump to be the head/director of secret service several months ago. I never understood why Trump gave him that job. The dude almost got Trump killed by doing a crappy job.

There were so many weird things Trump's personal secret service detail did that day. The dumbest to me was the bad protection they gave him after the shooting. Watch right before the fist pump picture. At first there was a taller male agent covering him from the front. Suddenly he moves to the left and the short female agent moves to that spot. She was the shortest agent. She moved into that spot and even kind of crouched down. That left Trump's head, neck, chest completely unblocked. A second shooter would have had an easy shot straight to Trump if there had been another shooter. So dumb on the agents part. The female is the reason Trump was able to do the famous fist punch and yell fight, fight, fight. Shouldn't have ever gotten to that point. Should have had the tallest agent blocking his head and torso.

Kind of interesting that they announced the suspensions now. For about a month my youngest son has been showing me videos from Tic Toc talking about the shooting and Trump's ear. Also showing me videos and stories from Instagram about the shooting, Trump's ear, bad job done by secret service agents, etc. Lots of talking about it. Seemed strange to me because it seemed out of the blue there was lots of talk about that day. Then about a week or two ago there was an article /interview with Trump and he said he still has occasional throbbing in his ear. Then today I see the news about the agents being suspended. I think they should have been fired the next day after the shooting. Or at the very least, they should have been fired once Trump was back in office in January. They should be fired and not given the chance to be rehired. They almost got Trump killed.


1-year is this coming Sunday, hence the increased rhetoric around this.

USSS dude that was promoted was the one who acted quickest and I imagine there are some off the record discussions regarding that day that he has had with Trump. One of the keys being that lady in charge was a yuge part of the problem.

A major issue if not the major issue was staffing and planning. Not sure dark brown hair sunglasses dude was in charge of planning, would make sense to criticize him if that were the case.

Watching it frame by frame with no knowledge of their protocol would seem a poor way to evaluate whether someone is qualified.
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That's the same guy that was gonna release the Epstein files right?
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I have not seen confirmation but were these suspensions not handed out months ago?
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Never forget the media's reaction to all this, and also that we know exactly zero facts (one year later) about what happened here.
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