Yeah, we post on this all the time, but I find it fascinating to watch it play out. Based on what I read from those who are experts on the subject, the low projection is the most likely. So China loses 1 billion people over the next 75 years!

Most politicians in the US could not care less about the issue. The whole climate change nonsense they are worried about will take care of itself because humans won't be here.

🇨🇳 CHINA MARKS THIRD STRAIGHT YEAR OF POPULATION DECLINE

China’s population continues to contract, with a reported drop of 1.39 million according to official data.

The trend reflects deeper structural challenges despite government efforts to promote a “child-friendly society.”… https://t.co/mUO9DCb0VY pic.twitter.com/d3x8gFVGPJ

— Mario Nawfal (@MarioNawfal) April 29, 2025

Hasn't this been China's goal for 50 years or so? This is good.

Martin Q. Blank said:

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MouthBQ98 said:

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Children are expensive if you are trying to raise them at anything like first world standards, let alone competitively, and they spent 2 generations all but forcing most of their population to have 1 child.

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Due to the 1 child policies, most parents aborted girls. So their population is lopsided male.

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This is what is crazy to me...it's not like you live in an agrarian society where you need to have males to help with hard labor and tending to your lands.

I get that many care about passinig down their name, but every girl dad knows that girls are freaking amazing. Truth be told, I wanted one more than I wanted a boy.

I used to just despise their government, but is China mostly comprised of a bunch of soulless robots?

jamey said:

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What i don't get is we keep.hearing about global, not just Chinas population decline being a huge problem. Musk talks about it often, and its problem for the US as well


On the flipside you got AI and robotics taking over or reducing the need for humans in the work place.


Ive never heard anyone address to what degree these two cancel out

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Well, we are pretty much one big ponzi scheme...who is going to keep funding the bloated governments, and social security in particular?

Millennials and younger better be prepared to get absolutely nothing. We should all live like that I guess.

TheCurl84 said:

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At that rate they will be out of people in 5-600 years.

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If one looks at the current birth rate and the age of the parents when and if they decide to have a child, the "white" race is on it's way to becoming 10 %, if not less, of the population of the United States way before 5 or 600 years. A marriage having no children or waiting until the mid 30's to have one child is not a recipe for continuation.....

jamey said:

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What i don't get is we keep.hearing about global, not just Chinas population decline being a huge problem. Musk talks about it often, and its problem for the US as well


On the flipside you got AI and robotics taking over or reducing the need for humans in the work place.


Ive never heard anyone address to what degree these two cancel out

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you bring an interesting point to light and i would agree with where your going. the reality is we will not need as many people if we keep on our technology path. doesn't mean we can't have as many but the need for man power just won't be there. the people running the world absolutely know this and the war for humanity's future is being fought right now.

jamey said:

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What i don't get is we keep.hearing about global, not just Chinas population decline being a huge problem. Musk talks about it often, and its problem for the US as well

On the flipside you got AI and robotics taking over or reducing the need for humans in the work place.

Ive never heard anyone address to what degree these two cancel out

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Even ignoring Ai....who cares?

I understand the concern, if you're China, and you'll lose population in comparison to other countries.

But Globally? What does it matter if population declines? Let it decline. We'll adjust.

Musk's obsession with this seems a little odd to me.

Well, that explains why Musk is such a prolific breeder.

I am still in the "Thanos was right" camp. At some point for all of us, resources and population will level out. Either that, or as scarcity increases, so will violence in the fight for those resources.

AgGrad99 said:

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jamey said:

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What i don't get is we keep.hearing about global, not just Chinas population decline being a huge problem. Musk talks about it often, and its problem for the US as well

On the flipside you got AI and robotics taking over or reducing the need for humans in the work place.

Ive never heard anyone address to what degree these two cancel out

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Even ignoring Ai....who cares?

I understand the concern, if you're China, and you'll lose population in comparison to other countries.

But Globally? What does it matter if population declines? Let it decline. We'll adjust.

Musk's obsession with this seems a little odd to me.

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On each of these threads it has been asked but never answered why population decline is an overal bad thing.

Musk's comments need to be colored with his desire to be the leader of populating our solar system and beyond - to expand the human race throughout the universe. Its an ambitious goal, but it is not necessary for human survival over the next few billion years.

And with technological advances in cloning and artificial wombs and AI being able to "raise" children and teach them en masse, any particular decline should be able to be managed within a generation or two.

Seems more and more like another climate change-esque distraction.

Martin Q. Blank said:

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MouthBQ98 said:

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Children are expensive if you are trying to raise them at anything like first world standards, let alone competitively, and they spent 2 generations all but forcing most of their population to have 1 child.

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Due to the 1 child policies, most parents aborted girls. So their population is lopsided male.

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Theres another issue as well.

Most of the girls are in costal cities and the majority of the boys are rural agrarian areas. So the issue is not just "How Many" but also "Where" are they.

Imagine what happens when their Ag industry collapses.

Urban Ag said:

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Martin Q. Blank said:

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MouthBQ98 said:

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Children are expensive if you are trying to raise them at anything like first world standards, let alone competitively, and they spent 2 generations all but forcing most of their population to have 1 child.

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Due to the 1 child policies, most parents aborted girls. So their population is lopsided male.

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The last estimate I saw was published by the UN around 2010 and showed that China had about 50M more men then women because of the 1 child policy. That is a recipe for societal chaos, not unlike allowing 20M third world illegals in to the US at 9:1 male/female ratio.

My guess is that we are not far from having China force Chinese girls to be artificially inseminated from a preferred gene pool to get those numbers back up.

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Here is the data. There's a male surplus in the younger ages but it's not crazy.


I'll fix the picture when I'm on a computer. The link works...

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AgGrad99 said:

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jamey said:

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What i don't get is we keep.hearing about global, not just Chinas population decline being a huge problem. Musk talks about it often, and its problem for the US as well

On the flipside you got AI and robotics taking over or reducing the need for humans in the work place.

Ive never heard anyone address to what degree these two cancel out

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Even ignoring Ai....who cares?

I understand the concern, if you're China, and you'll lose population in comparison to other countries.

But Globally? What does it matter if population declines? Let it decline. We'll adjust.

Musk's obsession with this seems a little odd to me.

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On each of these threads it has been asked but never answered why population decline is an overal bad thing.

Musk's comments need to be colored with his desire to be the leader of populating our solar system and beyond - to expand the human race throughout the universe. Its an ambitious goal, but it is not necessary for human survival over the next few billion years.

And with technological advances in cloning and artificial wombs and AI being able to "raise" children and teach them en masse, any particular decline should be able to be managed within a generation or two.

Seems more and more like another climate change-esque distraction.

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It's probably been answered on every thread but you overlooked it. You've forgotten that infrastructure is financed by taxes, so as population declines, so does the quality of your grid and water systems, along with roads and everything else. Imagine fewer police farther out from the city, how safe do you feel on acreage off the grid then as compared to now? The standard of living declines for everyone and it consistently happens throughout time with population collapses.

China's population likely isn't over a billion, probably closer to 800 - 900 million people. It's a mirage created by the CCP.

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infinity ag said:

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Only Boomers want pop to increase to have slaves working for them in the 15 years they got left on this earth.,

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Dangit! You have uncovered one of The Boomers' (TM) most dastardly secret objectives -- building a global army of young slaves. We'd have pulled it off, too, if it weren't for you meddling Millennnials!

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Sorry Gramps, I am Gen X.

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I figured ... but "meddling Millennials" just sounds better.

I've been to Beijing. There's no shortage of folks.

AgGrad99 said:

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jamey said:

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What i don't get is we keep.hearing about global, not just Chinas population decline being a huge problem. Musk talks about it often, and its problem for the US as well

On the flipside you got AI and robotics taking over or reducing the need for humans in the work place.

Ive never heard anyone address to what degree these two cancel out

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Even ignoring Ai....who cares?

I understand the concern, if you're China, and you'll lose population in comparison to other countries.

But Globally? What does it matter if population declines? Let it decline. We'll adjust.

Musk's obsession with this seems a little odd to me.

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Population decline = economic decline

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Population decline = economic decline

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ok.

But lots of things cause economic decline.

Again, if comparing one country to another, I get the concern.

But economic decline globally? It's kind of like that old saying, 'if everyone has $100, no one has $100'

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Tea Party said:

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Logos Stick said:

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China population collapse

Most politicians in the US could not care less about the issue.

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Well, China is not America so there's one of a rare few things I have in common with US politicians.

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ha ha, nice!

But the US is on the same course as is everyone except sub-Saharan Africa.

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Not correct.

Israel leads the OECD nations in 2.9 births per female.

the Israeli population has expanded by twelve times since 1948.

AgGrad99 said:

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Population decline = economic decline

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ok.

But lots of things cause economic decline.

Again, if comparing one country to another, I get the concern.

But economic decline globally? It's kind of like that old saying, 'if everyone has $100, no one has $100'

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You assume you'll have the same standard of living within the decline. Thats not how it works. History tells us that time and again.

Edit: there's no reason to think China or other countries can continue to mass produce and export goods within a population collapse. Supply chains break down in this process.

AgGrad99 said:

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Population decline = economic decline

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ok.

But lots of things cause economic decline.

Again, if comparing one country to another, I get the concern.

But economic decline globally? It's kind of like that old saying, 'if everyone has $100, no one has $100'

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If that $100 circulates 1 time, it's worth marginally more than $100. If it circulates more than once, it's worth more than that. The more people you have, the more you can circulate.

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Japan and South Korea as well.

For some reason, East Asians have decided to stop making children and only focus on succeeding at work.

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Porn and video game addiction is a big problem with young males in those countries.

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flown-the-coop said:

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AgGrad99 said:

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jamey said:

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What i don't get is we keep.hearing about global, not just Chinas population decline being a huge problem. Musk talks about it often, and its problem for the US as well

On the flipside you got AI and robotics taking over or reducing the need for humans in the work place.

Ive never heard anyone address to what degree these two cancel out

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Even ignoring Ai....who cares?

I understand the concern, if you're China, and you'll lose population in comparison to other countries.

But Globally? What does it matter if population declines? Let it decline. We'll adjust.

Musk's obsession with this seems a little odd to me.

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On each of these threads it has been asked but never answered why population decline is an overal bad thing.

Musk's comments need to be colored with his desire to be the leader of populating our solar system and beyond - to expand the human race throughout the universe. Its an ambitious goal, but it is not necessary for human survival over the next few billion years.

And with technological advances in cloning and artificial wombs and AI being able to "raise" children and teach them en masse, any particular decline should be able to be managed within a generation or two.

Seems more and more like another climate change-esque distraction.

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It's probably been answered on every thread but you overlooked it. You've forgotten that infrastructure is financed by taxes, so as population declines, so does the quality of your grid and water systems, along with roads and everything else. Imagine fewer police farther out from the city, how safe do you feel on acreage off the grid then as compared to now? The standard of living declines for everyone and it consistently happens throughout time with population collapses.

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But as population declines, there are fewer indivudals served by the grid and water systems, and therefore less upkeep. Same with "roads and everything else". There will definitely be growing (shrinking?) pains similar to the ghost towns in old manufacturing and mining towns, but utilities will even out just fine. Fewer police also works along the same lines, but I feel like you haven't been more than a few minutes away from a city in a while based on that comment. As for me, I tend to feel safer the farther I get away from cities (that's what the guns are for). The standard of living may decline in the sense that there are fewer overall consumables being produced, but there are already too many TV shows and video games for me to ever finish, and other consumables tend to scale with population. This just isn't as big of a deal to anyone that is not sitting on a pile of investments hoping their stock portfolios don't crash (which would be the main impact, that will absolutely happen).