100%.....my first thought as well. As much as we HATE foreigners coming to the U.S. and proceeding to CHANGE the 'landscape' rather than assimilate. That's EXACTLY what leftists intend to do by infiltrating southern schools.
NOTHING positive will come from it.

Nuke_Ag05 said:

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People that are trying to escape bull**** policies are usually the same people that voted for bull**** policies and ultimately bring the same bull**** with them. You can't fix stupid…and most of them are.

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How do you know that

I know several students who have traveled from Northern/Eastern states to attend school in the South, and while I don't doubt that there are political reasons, my observation has produced 3 main reasons

1. Warmer weather
2. College football (this is specific to SEC schools, not somewhere like UAB or Southern Miss). They want the college experience associated with sports-college football in particiular, and also don't want to sit in 25 degree weather.
3. Cost

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I didn't read your post until now. You pretty much nailed what happened to me. It took two years, but I did a 180 on my 'Yankee' values by attending A&M. It's kinda funny, but I attended my high school reunion this past Labor Day. While I had fun, the majority of my classmates were liberal nuts.

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Thanks for posting. This is what I'm talking about.

I am from New Jersey. It is a small state with high population density, so they export the most college students (at least that was the statistic back in my day) since they have only a few state schools. My classmates went to school up and down the eastern seaboard and in PA. I went to Clemson. I found my closest friends among other Yankees from New York and Massachusetts because I had zero in common with southern girls aka bowheads. The guys were great but I had nothing in common. My sustained relationships were guys from NJ, NY, and Illinios.

It was hard trying to get along with southerners so I get it. There was also southern racism which is different from northern racism. Some better some worse.

I moved to Texas in 2001 and became an Aggie, which was a better blend of southernness for my taste. More balanced and kind.

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I know several students who have traveled from Northern/Eastern states to attend school in the South, and while I don't doubt that there are political reasons, my observation has produced 3 main reasons

1. Warmer weather
2. College football (this is specific to SEC schools, not somewhere like UAB or Southern Miss). They want the college experience associated with sports-college football in particiular, and also don't want to sit in 25 degree weather.
3. Cost

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This. The vast majority of the northern/northeastern students my kids are around at UGA are still very liberal.

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Wait til Timmy comes home for Christmas and is red pilled and loves hot Southen conservative girls.

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My brother can barely get his son to come home for holidays

Nuke_Ag05 said:

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People that are trying to escape bull**** policies are usually the same people that voted for bull**** policies and ultimately bring the same bull**** with them. You can't fix stupid…and most of them are.

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My family is from South Texas and my dad's career took us to the west coast in the late 70's.

We didn't vote for any of the bull**** policies. We've slowly migrated back over time. It's not just as easy or simple as you're making it out to be.

Last time I checked there were more Republican voters in CA than TX.

This story has been repeated several times over the past year in different publications. Basically you have a bunch of northeastern liberal snobs who are shocked that anybody from their region would stoop to attend southern colleges. They simply cannot grasp that liberals have become so insufferable in their northern echo chambers that thousands of their neighbors just want to get away from them a have a "normal" college experience.

I'm seeing it from the reverse viewpoint. I have two HS juniors and a sophomore. One is looking at top STEM schools. After A&M, there are virtually NO highly ranked engineering programs that aren't predominantly left of center, most very far left, especially up north. He's looking at left leaning GT as a reach, somewhat conservative A&M and then centrist Colorado School of Mines. He was really hoping to go to Rice but we toured the school and they have gone insanely woke in recent years. It is possible that A&M is the only top 30 engineering school that isn't left of center. My other son is interested in construction science, so its A&M, Auburn or Clemson for him. He HATES the idea of going up north or out to California. The only conservative universities we have found in the Midwest or Northeast are more liberal arts schools like Hillsdale or religious schools that are not strong in STEM.

TLDR: Be glad we have A&M as an option, because there are very few other highly ranked, conservative college options out there.

I think it is much more likely these are conservative students or even moderate students looking for education instead of indoctrination. Even very leftist states have substantial conservative political minorities that can no longer find any same and affordable college education opportunities in their home states. It's much like people moving from state to state. A lot of Californians or New Yorkers moving out are more conservative

Do VaTech and Florida not make the Top 30 cut anymore?

Both have very strong engineering, and are considered conservative.

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Do VaTech and Florida not make the Top 30 cut anymore?

Both have very strong engineering, and are considered conservative.

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Niche.com has VT as the #38 engineering program and lists them as "balanced" politically. US News has them as the #14 undergraduate engineering school now.

Niche.com has UF as the #20 engineering program and also lists them as "balanced" politically. US News has them as the #32 undergraduate engineering school now.

While not really conservative, they aren't crazy woke. Both are probably worth a closer look. Honestly, I'd heard that VT was drifting left and didn't really look at them very hard after that.

Have you considered the University of Tennessee/Knoxville? From what I've heard they have a pretty decent College of Engineering. Great area (we live 20 minutes from campus). Two of my step-daughters have degrees from the real UT.

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Nuke_Ag05 said:

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People that are trying to escape bull**** policies are usually the same people that voted for bull**** policies and ultimately bring the same bull**** with them. You can't fix stupid…and most of them are.

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My family is from South Texas and my dad's career took us to the west coast in the late 70's.

We didn't vote for any of the bull**** policies. We've slowly migrated back over time. It's not just as easy or simple as you're making it out to be.

Last time I checked there were more Republican voters in CA than TX.

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Some people believe that a statement made is one made with a broad stroke and encompasses everyone. So, I will reframe for those who assumed incorrectly that I was making a broad stroke statement. Not everyone that is moving is in that group of people. HOWEVER. I would bet most of them are based off what I am seeing and the sheer magnitude of movement from places like New York and California.

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I think it is much more likely these are conservative students or even moderate students looking for education instead of indoctrination.

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It is 100% this.

People leaving their home states for college reflects the rather screwed up state of college admissions today and much greater willingness and interest by kids to leave home primarily due to social media and much greater coverage of college sports nationally.

Even just the inter-SEC admissions by state is 50x what it was in the 90s. So many Texas kids want to go to places like Georgia or Florida today and would never had considered that back in the day.

And this is a two way street. There are legions of talented Texas kids from competitive, wealthy public schools that are leaving the state as they look down on the Blinn Team offers and often matriculate at higher ranked and more prestigious undergrad programs out of state.

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Do VaTech and Florida not make the Top 30 cut anymore?

Both have very strong engineering, and are considered conservative.

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Va Tech was ranked 14th in the latest US News ranking (ahead of A&M at 17th) and Florida was ranked 32nd.

Purdue is a fairly centrist campus with a large conservative student body. I personally would not lump that in with places like Cal-Berkely.

Buck, congrats to your son. I do engineering recruiting for my F100 employer. If he can get into MIT, go for it and hold your nose. After MIT, any name brand top ranked program will do just fine. Midwest has some great engineering programs but they certainly are neither the south nor the north east culturally.

The value of the MIT degree is, on average, those undergrads walk away with a theoretical understanding that I usually only see out of average masters student. Still do fresh out dumb things, but they aren't as clueless about how the real world works.

My masters program experience shaped my engineering understanding way moreso than my undergrad curriculum did, mostly because I was exposed to research and all of those trappings. But my time at A&M during undergrad shaped me a lot more as a person than my grad school curriculum. There's always time to go get a masters (which I always recommend).

I will say this, we scale our recruiting efforts back every year it seems. Going to a big well known for engineering school is a huge foot in the door for industry relations. And there is a significant drop off we see in quality of students once you leave the top state schools and head on down to smaller directional schools that do engineering.

Happy to talk to you or your son about the engineering college and professional landscape as well. And anyone on this board if they want to hear a diatribe.

The trouble with Georgia is that there are too many Georgians there.

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At 18 they're not importing values like Kalifornians moving to Austin. They're soaking up values, southern values, and seeing what real America is like outside their northeastern bubble. They're meeting people who say yes ma'am and hold open doors. They're meeting churchgoers and football players. They're staying in the south after graduation, marrying southern belles and becoming far better people than they otherwise would have been.

It's most certainly a good thing for yankee kids to attend southern schools.

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William T. Sherman served as the first superintendent and a professor at the Louisiana State Seminary of Learning & Military Academy (which later became Louisiana State University) in Pineville, Louisiana, from 1859 until 1861.

His role at the seminary included teaching engineering, architecture, and drawing, in addition to his administrative duties.

He was an effective and popular leader of the institution.

Sherman resigned his position in January 1861, just after Louisiana seceded from the Union, and returned north to rejoin the U.S. Army, where he became a prominent Union general during the Civil War

William Tecumseh Sherman would go on to burn Georgia during the "March to the Sea" in late 1864.

We would love to get your perspective, especially since I am not an engineer and feel limited in how much advice I can offer him. What would be the best way to connect?

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Iowaggie said:

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I know several students who have traveled from Northern/Eastern states to attend school in the South, and while I don't doubt that there are political reasons, my observation has produced 3 main reasons

1. Warmer weather
2. College football (this is specific to SEC schools, not somewhere like UAB or Southern Miss). They want the college experience associated with sports-college football in particiular, and also don't want to sit in 25 degree weather.
3. Cost

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This. The vast majority of the northern/northeastern students my kids are around at UGA are still very liberal.

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I've worked with a few UGA grads and my dad retired about 40 minutes from Athens. UGA is probably similar to tu in being relatively left-leaning for being in the South.

Text me at the following number. Edited because y'all a bunch of heathens.

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This story has been repeated several times over the past year in different publications. Basically you have a bunch of northeastern liberal snobs who are shocked that anybody from their region would stoop to attend southern colleges. They simply cannot grasp that liberals have become so insufferable in their northern echo chambers that thousands of their neighbors just want to get away from them a have a "normal" college experience.

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That too is what talmbout.

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Nuke_Ag05 said:

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People that are trying to escape bull**** policies are usually the same people that voted for bull**** policies and ultimately bring the same bull**** with them. You can't fix stupid…and most of them are.

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How do you know that

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Experience