I posted on the suspicious death thread but decided this needs a separate one.

Sydney Marquez left El Paso and went to see friends inn Houston on December 11. She has been missing since. She is a 2023 Neuroscience grad.

See Brian Entin story below. Something doesn't sound right about needing the code for the phone.

I had read reports that she suffered bouts of mental illness in the past. Hopefully this one has a better conclusion than the other cases and they find her wandering Houston in a confused mental state and get her some help. In that city one wrong turn and you end going from an upscale neighborhood of hotels and shops to a shady slum so she could have gotten herself in real danger quickly though. Her behavior wandering around walking and abandoning her car leads me to believe she was in a bad mental breakdown.

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Sadly, I expect it to end the same way as the other recent stories have.

There is a real mental health crisis in this country.

A lot of it is due to GenZ and Gen Alpha simply not being taught how to deal with life, and being so addicted to instant gratification, instant dopamine hits, and instant attention. As soon as the real world hits them, they can't cope and completely short circuit.

Real mental illness, as this young lady appears to have been dealing with, needs medical help, but we need to see if there is something driving a higher rate of mental illness than we've seen in the past. I have my own theories on it, but that's a discussion for another thread.

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it is the phones and social media. kids today spend as much or more time with their face in their phones participating in a virtual world that it equals or exceeds actual reality. virtual reality is fake but beciase they straddle both realities so muc those lines get blurred. they struggle more than any other generations for these reasons. the real world is a tough cold place that will beat you down.

Muy said:

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Are we also seeing the first generation of kids whose parents put them on ADD and ADHD meds when they were 4 and 5 years old start to show signs of struggling in life?

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That would be one of the reasons for sure.

Detmersdislocatedshoulder said:

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Rapier108 said:

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Sadly, I expect it to end the same way as the other recent stories have.

There is a real mental health crisis in this country.

A lot of it is due to GenZ and Gen Alpha simply not being taught how to deal with life, and being so addicted to instant gratification, instant dopamine hits, and instant attention. As soon as the real world hits them, they can't cope and completely short circuit.

Real mental illness, as this young lady appears to have been dealing with, needs medical help, but we need to see if there is something driving a higher rate of mental illness than we've seen in the past. I have my own theories on it, but that's a discussion for another thread.

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it is the phones and social media. kids today spend as much or more time with their face in their phones participating in a virtual world that it equals or exceeds actual reality. virtual reality is fake but beciase they straddle both realities so muc those lines get blurred. they struggle more than any other generations for these reasons. the real world is a tough cold place that will beat you down.

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And that is another reason, probably #1.

We now live in a world where reason and logic don't matter. Truth is now what media and social media tell us it is, instead of what we perceive ourselves. Breaking people's minds like Orwell's 1984.

Rapier108 said:

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Muy said:

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Are we also seeing the first generation of kids whose parents put them on ADD and ADHD meds when they were 4 and 5 years old start to show signs of struggling in life?

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That would be one of the reasons for sure.

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Except this isn't the first generation of children to grow up on those medications? So, throw that theory out.

You guys realize Adderall is over 30 years old at this point? Teachers have been pushing those meds on kids way before this current generation reached young adulthood. I know because they tried to do it to me in the 90's before second grade. I'm so lucky to have had active parents in my education, I wasn't just drugged and sat in a corner.

Now, if we want to start a theory and test some hypothesis where we look at SSRI's and the adaptation of modern life with social media, I'm in.

TacosaurusRex said:

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Rapier108 said:

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Muy said:

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Are we also seeing the first generation of kids whose parents put them on ADD and ADHD meds when they were 4 and 5 years old start to show signs of struggling in life?

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That would be one of the reasons for sure.

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Except this isn't the first generation of children to grow up on those medications? So, throw that theory out.

You guys realize Adderall is over 30 years old at this point? Teachers have been pushing those meds on kids way before this current generation reached young adulthood. I know because they tried to do it to me in the 90's before second grade. I'm so lucky to have had active parents in my education, I wasn't just drugged and sat in a corner.

Now, if we want to start a theory and test some hypothesis where we look at SSRI's and the adaptation of modern life with social media, I'm in.

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Oh I know, believe me. My parents put me on that **** and it screwed me up. Thankfully I was okay once I got off of it, but only God knows what kind of permanent damage it would have caused if I had been on it for years instead of a few months.

Factor, not reason is probably a better description.

Rapier108 said:

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Sadly, I expect it to end the same way as the other recent stories have.

There is a real mental health crisis in this country.

A lot of it is due to GenZ and Gen Alpha simply not being taught how to deal with life, and being so addicted to instant gratification, instant dopamine hits, and instant attention. As soon as the real world hits them, they can't cope and completely short circuit.

Real mental illness, as this young lady appears to have been dealing with, needs medical help, but we need to see if there is something driving a higher rate of mental illness than we've seen in the past. I have my own theories on it, but that's a discussion for another thread.

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The caveat being we don't know what actually happened in this case, but you're right. Gen Z has rarely tasted adversity and when it happens they're completely ill equipped. The participation generation has been ruined by misplaced compassion.

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TacosaurusRex said:

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Rapier108 said:

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Muy said:

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Are we also seeing the first generation of kids whose parents put them on ADD and ADHD meds when they were 4 and 5 years old start to show signs of struggling in life?

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That would be one of the reasons for sure.

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Except this isn't the first generation of children to grow up on those medications? So, throw that theory out.

You guys realize Adderall is over 30 years old at this point? Teachers have been pushing those meds on kids way before this current generation reached young adulthood. I know because they tried to do it to me in the 90's before second grade. I'm so lucky to have had active parents in my education, I wasn't just drugged and sat in a corner.

Now, if we want to start a theory and test some hypothesis where we look at SSRI's and the adaptation of modern life with social media, I'm in.

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Oh I know, believe me. My parents put me on that **** and it screwed me up. Thankfully I was okay once I got off of it, but only God knows what kind of permanent damage it would have caused if I had been on it for years instead of a few months.

Factor, not reason is probably a better description.

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I'm not sure the factor would be measurable. Ritalin has been around since the 40's and we have a mountain of data on it. Am I arguing that adding chemicals to the body during massive transition phases like puberty is a good idea?Absolutely not.

I do think that SSRI's is where the intense scrutiny should be applied, with a cognizant idea of ADHD meds. Another factor not being talked about nearly enough is the codependency young people are developing with their therapist, instead of learning life skills to operate without their therapist.

Does that make 3 females in college (or just graduated) who are all Latina and have disappeared? All three appear to be Latina, ambitious (if they're going to college), and attractive.

Yes, and two seemingly committed suicide.

As an aside, in line with the discussion about how this generation handles life.

I am a high school teacher in the burbs of Houston. Last year, one of our kids committed suicide at their home.

Before she died, she created an instagram post and scheduled it to post a few days after her death. The post included a link to some ridiculous faux-scientific article about changing the terminology of speaking about suicide. For example: don't say someone "committed suicide" because it has a negative connotation or some bull**** like that.

It was total crap and incredibly self-serving. Not to mention, traumatized her friends because the post was made from her account after her death.

Most of this generation are completely detached from reality.

Muy said:

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Are we also seeing the first generation of kids whose parents put them on ADD and ADHD meds when they were 4 and 5 years old start to show signs of struggling in life?

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No, it's that so many kids have been shielded from any kind of adversity, failure, or consequences that they are mentally and emotionally unprepared for adulthood and independence. It becomes completely overwhelming for many. You can blame the self-esteem and gentle parenting movements.

Muy said:

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Are we also seeing the first generation of kids whose parents put them on ADD and ADHD meds when they were 4 and 5 years old start to show signs of struggling in life?

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I tutored a boy who was 10 and on ADHD in the 80's. Very affluent Highland Park (Dallas) family.

I think these drugs have been a "silent" epidemic in the making for a long time. And rather than get off them, kids find them turning into a crutch, then a need.

Strangely enough, it seems more likely in affluent families, and much more common in college kids than non-college, if you look at that age group.

Rapier108 said:

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Muy said:

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Are we also seeing the first generation of kids whose parents put them on ADD and ADHD meds when they were 4 and 5 years old start to show signs of struggling in life?

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That would be one of the reasons for sure.

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Yep, long term amphetamine use can totally jack with baseline dopamine levels in your brain and that's just for starters. Who knows what other damage it can cause in developing brains.

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Muy said:

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Are we also seeing the first generation of kids whose parents put them on ADD and ADHD meds when they were 4 and 5 years old start to show signs of struggling in life?

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I tutored a boy who was 10 and on ADHD in the 80's. Very affluent Highland Park (Dallas) family.

I think these drugs have been a "silent" epidemic in the making for a long time. And rather than get off them, kids find them turning into a crutch, then a need.

Strangely enough, it seems more likely in affluent families, and much more common in college kids than non-college, if you look at that age group.

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I heard two different celebrity type Doctors claim that many ADHD meds leave cravings for years and that drugs like meth often fill the need. So IF TRUE, then it also explains part of the addiction problem.

But experts on TV are hard for me to trust. Not just because of COVID but in general.

Feels like this is the first generation in a while that when they start out on their own they aren't well set up to be more successful or have a better life than their parents. That pressure mounts.

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Muy said:

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Are we also seeing the first generation of kids whose parents put them on ADD and ADHD meds when they were 4 and 5 years old start to show signs of struggling in life?

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No, it's that so many kids have been shielded from any kind of adversity, failure, or consequences that they are mentally and emotionally unprepared for adulthood and independence. It becomes completely overwhelming for many. You can blame the self-esteem and gentle parenting movements.

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It can be numerous things...we have screwed them in multiple ways. It's not all one factor or another.

It is a FACT that prescription drug use is at all time highs, and so are mental illness problems, and feelings of dissatisfaction in life, particularly among women. It's what you said, it's social media, it's prescription drug dependency, it's all of it.

Actually the drug use goes hand in hand with what you are saying. It basically masks things, making adversity that much harder to deal with eventually when you are off of them or have built up a tolerance. Doctors who know their stuff say getting on anti-depressants after losing a loved one or undergoing trauma is one of the worst things you can do, as it basically interferes with the normal and natural grieving process and just kicks your problems down the road.

Enviroag02 said:

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Feels like this is the first generation in a while that when they start out on their own they aren't well set up to be more successful or have a better life than their parents. That pressure mounts.

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Yep, my dad bought his first home for like $70k in the early 80's, and his salary was at least 3/4 that. That same house is probably worth $400K today, and not in the most desireable part of Houston, or zoned to good schools.

I don't care what anyone says...Gen Z faces "American Dream" barriers to entry that no one else in modern times had to face. They have it easy in some ways, but they get the shaft in others.

Martels Hammer said:

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Over_ed said:

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Muy said:

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Are we also seeing the first generation of kids whose parents put them on ADD and ADHD meds when they were 4 and 5 years old start to show signs of struggling in life?

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I tutored a boy who was 10 and on ADHD in the 80's. Very affluent Highland Park (Dallas) family.

I think these drugs have been a "silent" epidemic in the making for a long time. And rather than get off them, kids find them turning into a crutch, then a need.

Strangely enough, it seems more likely in affluent families, and much more common in college kids than non-college, if you look at that age group.

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I heard two different celebrity type Doctors claim that many ADHD meds leave cravings for years and that drugs like meth often fill the need. So IF TRUE, then it also explains part of the addiction problem.

But experts on TV are hard for me to trust. Not just because of COVID but in general.

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1000%

Just taking adderall or a similar amphetamine for a few days, will then likely leave you depressed and sluggish for a few days after, as your brain tries to restore normal dopamine levels etc. Now imagine what it does after weeks of use...months...years....decades.

I say this as someone who likes an occasional half-adderall if someone's got it.

People look at social media, and all they see is happiness and perfection because that is what most people post about. New house, new car, new boyfriend/girlfriend, new dog/cat/pet, new jewelry, new expensive clothes, etc. etc. etc. They come to believe it is how life is for everyone, except for them. They aren't exposed to all the bad stuff that those people are dealing with it, because they don't make it public.

It is especially hard on women because of the unending pressure to be perfect like all those they see on Instagram, Tik-Tok, etc. Then when something bad happens, they are incapable of dealing with it. It then turns to anger, sadness, and eventually complete despair, for which they see no way out except death.

What is Brian talking about someone else has the number that was registered to her and they want $1,000 for the code. Did she get a new number that the parents don't know about?

Muy said:

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Are we also seeing the first generation of kids whose parents put them on ADD and ADHD meds when they were 4 and 5 years old start to show signs of struggling in life?

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Think we would've seen that more in Millennials since they were born when the drug companies learned how to start marketing.

UhOhNoAgTag said:

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What is Brian talking about someone else has the number that was registered to her and they want $1,000 for the code. Did she get a new number that the parents don't know about?

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It sounds like she had an old number on her iCloud acct so when they send the code to authenticate the login, it goes to that old number.

Is that something law enforcement can get?

It was my understanding the percentage of young users has only grown and the average age for the first prescription has dropped

1981 Monte Carlo said:

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Enviroag02 said:

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Feels like this is the first generation in a while that when they start out on their own they aren't well set up to be more successful or have a better life than their parents. That pressure mounts.

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Yep, my dad bought his first home for like $70k in the early 80's, and his salary was at least 3/4 that. That same house is probably worth $400K today, and not in the most desireable part of Houston, or zoned to good schools.

I don't care what anyone says...Gen Z faces "American Dream" barriers to entry that no one else in modern times had to face. They have it easy in some ways, but they get the shaft in others.

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And I disagree. My parents made draconian sacrifices to build their life together. They started in a place in central Texas with no A/C and would often eat only a single peanut butter sandwich a day to scrape by. They lived in a "starter home" until they were in their 50s and built their dream home, despite making pretty good incomes after their first 10 or 15 years of marriage. People today are not willing to go without anything.

1981 Monte Carlo said:

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ABATTBQ11 said:

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Muy said:

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Are we also seeing the first generation of kids whose parents put them on ADD and ADHD meds when they were 4 and 5 years old start to show signs of struggling in life?

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No, it's that so many kids have been shielded from any kind of adversity, failure, or consequences that they are mentally and emotionally unprepared for adulthood and independence. It becomes completely overwhelming for many. You can blame the self-esteem and gentle parenting movements.

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It can be numerous things...we have screwed them in multiple ways. It's not all one factor or another.

It is a FACT that prescription drug use is at all time highs, and so are mental illness problems, and feelings of dissatisfaction in life, particularly among women. It's what you said, it's social media, it's prescription drug dependency, it's all of it.

Actually the drug use goes hand in hand with what you are saying. It basically masks things, making adversity that much harder to deal with eventually when you are off of them or have built up a tolerance. Doctors who know their stuff say getting on anti-depressants after losing a loved one or undergoing trauma is one of the worst things you can do, as it basically interferes with the normal and natural grieving process and just kicks your problems down the road.

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Yep, the system now allows them to act outrageous with no consequences so the behavior continues. To stop said behavior they then heavily medicate the kid which causes depression and a whole host of other bad side effects. Then you have massively screwed up young adults who are medicated, coming off medication, depress, anxious, etc.