are we in agreement - this is about US National Security

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GenericAggie
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1:35p, 1/5/26
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You can argue with me on oil reserves but it's much bigger. The Monroe Doctrine. 1823

China, Russia, and others are messing in our backyard. Central and South America and the Caribbean.

We cannot have leadership in these countries accepting investment money and being influenced by China specifically. It cannot happen.

Drugs? Nah, not the reason.

Obvious?

Thoughts?

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Sid Farkas
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1:38p, 1/5/26
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We can't afford to have a mineral rich outpost and safe haven for enemies just a 3-hour flight from Miami.
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In reply to GenericAggie • 1:39p, 1/5/26
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GenericAggie said:
You can argue with me on oil reserves but it's much bigger. The Monroe Doctrine. 1823

China, Russia, and others are messing in our backyard. Central and South America and the Caribbean.

We cannot have leadership in these countries accepting investment money and being influenced by China specifically. It cannot happen.

Drugs? Nah, not the reason.

Obvious?

Thoughts?


All that AND the drugs. It's amazing to me that people want to give a pass on the drugs aspect and the damage they cause.
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Jason C.
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1:40p, 1/5/26
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Put me in the "there are lots of reasons that make this uniquely positive" camp. Bold strategy, but will it pay off? Global and domestic commies will do everything they can to sabotage this.
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1:40p, 1/5/26
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Agreed, though oil definitely plays a part in the geopolitics. Drugs just provides the legal cover.
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In reply to Jason C. • 1:41p, 1/5/26
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Jason C. said:
Put me in the "there are lots of reasons that make this uniquely positive" camp. Bold strategy, but will it pay off? Global and domestic commies will do everything they can to sabotage this.


Yep. If the Marxists hate the idea chances are it's a good move
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In reply to GenericAggie • 1:42p, 1/5/26
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GenericAggie said:
You can argue with me on oil reserves but it's much bigger. The Monroe Doctrine. 1823

China, Russia, and others are messing in our backyard. Central and South America and the Caribbean.

We cannot have leadership in these countries accepting investment money and being influenced by China specifically. It cannot happen.

Drugs? Nah, not the reason.

Obvious?

Thoughts?


I think they are ALL reasons. Oil, Drugs, China, Russia, Monroe Doctrine. It's all a threat to the USA and national security.
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1:44p, 1/5/26
I mean...the US can essentially destroy OPEC with this move. I'd call it good.
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1:45p, 1/5/26
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I look at it this way.

Cheaper method to refill the SPR quickly. So there's that. And that wouldn't affect international oil markets that much. Side benefit, pisses off China and Cuba.
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1:45p, 1/5/26
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Look at who's crying and I'll show you who's benefiting from the corruption.
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1:46p, 1/5/26
I believe this was multi-pronged and the motives were probably considered and likely ranked beforehand. "Drugs" was probably towards the bottom of the list of reasons, but still likely one of the legitimate reasons.
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1:52p, 1/5/26
This is primarily a national security issue using drugs as the excuse to provide cover. Limiting more oil access to China (Venezuela and hopefully Iran) as well as hopefully ripping out a hezbollah /Cuban outpost for China and Russia is huge as Iran and Russia exported and stood up drone manufacturing in Venezuela. At the moment they are not believed to have the range to hit the us but they could hit shipping in the gulf. It won't be long before they have the ability to hit the us.

With Israel taking out Hamas and Hezbollah as well as Iran being neutered, the fall of Venezuela would severely limit China which is the overall threat to the US as multiple sources of energy are no longer viable, possibly new fronts against the us are gone and Russsian and Chinese defense systems proven incapable of protecting against western systems.
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1:57p, 1/5/26
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As far as for American interests what was the downside?
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In reply to halfastros81 • 2:00p, 1/5/26
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halfastros81 said:
As far as for American interests what was the downside?


Literally this
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2:01p, 1/5/26
So if there was no oil none of this would be happening. Realistically.
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In reply to halfastros81 • 2:01p, 1/5/26
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halfastros81 said:
As far as for American interests what was the downside?


For some reason, we aren't supposed to consider that in our decision-making process.
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In reply to halfastros81 • 2:03p, 1/5/26
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As far as for American interests what was the downside?


Only downside would be political blowback if there was some type of mission failure like Bengazi or Afgan withdrawal.

Im interested to see if the TDS from dems over Maduro ends up costing them Latin votes.
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2:04p, 1/5/26
the world is changing from a unipolar world to a multi polar world. bidens leadership or lack therof created a vacuum that was filled by our enemies. we can't put the genie back in the bottle but we can renforce our backyard to halt any incursions into our hemisphere.
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In reply to Geminiv • 2:05p, 1/5/26
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Geminiv said:
So if there was no oil none of this would be happening. Realistically.


I don't think you can say that about Trump. He's had enough of our hemisphere neighbors exporting death to Americans. And the majority of us agree with him.
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In reply to Geminiv • 2:06p, 1/5/26
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Geminiv said:
So if there was no oil none of this would be happening. Realistically.


EXCEPT for the rumor that the Dominion & other voting machines that made "the most secure election EVER" allegedly came from Venezuela.

If true, what if Maduro cuts a deal & spills the beans about all the shady folks responsible for the implementation of these Commie voting machines being utilized in AMERICA?!?!?

Get your popcorn ready!
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In reply to Geminiv • 4:54p, 1/5/26
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Geminiv said:
So if there was no oil none of this would be happening. Realistically.


If there were no oil there wouldn't have been anything for chavez to nationalize, therefore no reason to overthrow the existing government. You take oil out of the equation and you change the last 100 years of history of the country
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5:00p, 1/5/26
American Strategery!
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5:06p, 1/5/26
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If Venezuela is so rich with natural resources - why are the people so poor?
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In reply to Ag in Tiger Country • 5:13p, 1/5/26
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EXCEPT for the rumor that the Dominion & other voting machines that made "the most secure election EVER" allegedly came from Venezuela.

If true, what if Maduro cuts a deal & spills the beans about all the shady folks responsible for the implementation of these Commie voting machines being utilized in AMERICA?!?!?

Get your popcorn ready!

I was skeptical of the Smartmatic claims primarily because they only operated in LA County in the US in 2020.

But then during my deep dive into the electronic voting industry as a whole, they are so incestuous with acquisitions, divestitures, reacquisitions, name changes, I was then curious about source codes and software. As companies moved to COTS, surely that software had to have a lot of similarities to use standard off the shelf components, right?

BTW, Dominion, as well as have a licensing agreement with Smartmatic at one point, purchased a Smartmatic owned company operating in the US, Sequoia.
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In reply to Ragoo • 5:15p, 1/5/26
Ragoo said:
If Venezuela is so rich with natural resources - why are the people so poor?


Because the commie politicians pirate what little they're able to produce from the aging, crumbling, unmaintained infrastructure left behind by American companies and use it to enrich themselves, their cronies, select members of the military, and their enforcement gangs (selling at around 0.30-0.40 on the dollar).

They're only producing at somewhere south of 20% capacity and none of it actually goes to the people or running of the country.
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In reply to Ragoo • 5:19p, 1/5/26
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Ragoo said:
If Venezuela is so rich with natural resources - why are the people so poor?


They weren't 25 years ago but then the socialist took over and ran the country in to the ground.
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In reply to Ragoo • 5:21p, 1/5/26
Ragoo said:
If Venezuela is so rich with natural resources - why are the people so poor?

A progressive named Chavez took over and nationalized the oil companies. New to history I see....
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6:13p, 1/5/26
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You need to also throw in the factor that a destabilization of Venezuela had on the area. Almost 9 million refugees fled, many are now here. The prisons were emptied out, many are now here. The economy collapsed leaving narco/human trafficking as the primary source for "domestic investment" and the sales and distribution force of said enterprises has stretched across of our country with very serious consequences.
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In reply to Geminiv • 6:31p, 1/5/26
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Geminiv said:
So if there was no oil none of this would be happening. Realistically.

If there was no oil, Venezuela would be about as dangerous to the US as Cuba.

But, they do have oil. Since they have those resources, it makes them more dangerous.

The only reason Cuba hasn't flexed muscles against the US is because they cannot afford to, because they have very few resources.
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In reply to Ragoo • 6:32p, 1/5/26
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Ragoo said:
If Venezuela is so rich with natural resources - why are the people so poor?

So that Chavez can be more rich.

That is literally the only reason.

He ran the oil industry in Venezuela to the ground because he wanted more power, and didn't want to have to partner with US firms, who also wanted to make money.
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6:34p, 1/5/26
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Venezuela is about the same size of Texas and Oklahoma combined, with a population almost identical to Texas.

About 8 to 9 million people left Venezuela after Chavez took power. Chavez began by promising more benefits to the poor, and eventually starved most of the population.

Venezuela should be as prosperous as Texas except for their government. Corruption only Tim Walz could dream about.

In 2017, the average Venezuelan lost 24 pounds in weight due to food shortages, leading to many leaving the country.
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6:39p, 1/5/26
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The US Government put Al Capone away for life due to tax fraud.

He wasn't being investigated for nor was he arrested for tax fraud.

But, he was still guilty of tax fraud, and was sentenced to 11 years for tax fraud.

If Capone had made all his money selling lemonade, I doubt he would have been arrested for tax fraud. Maybe the US sends him a bill.

Maduro is an evil man, guilty of many evil things. The drugs are the easiest thing to prosecute him on, and that is the reason why the drug charges are front-and-center.

Proving someone stole an election turns out to be very difficult. Proving that Maduro was smuggling drugs is going to be easy.
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6:43p, 1/5/26
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Thanks for the comments to my question. It was mostly rhetorical to prove a point. Those "reeeeee'ing" about Trump and oil needs to see the details. If Venezuela is that resource rich there is only one reason why the majority of the people live in significant poverty - communism turns to greed by the ruling authority. Every time.
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6:55p, 1/5/26
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OIL is one out of several dozen reasons why Madurao needed to be removed, but the idiot left can't count above 1 so they are stuck on that as the only reason.

If the US can complete missions that efficiently in the future then I don't give a **** what political party the President is a member of if he or she can remove more evil filth like Maduro from positions of power.
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In reply to GenericAggie • 6:56p, 1/5/26
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There is no argument. What's happening with VZ is literal US policy via our DOW Strategic Doctrine.

They've provided a written strategy to the public as to why we are doing this.

It amazes me daily that people continue to ignore this fact.

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