So what has to happen now for this to go into effect for three more years? Because if it happens now, then you might as well call it permanent. There's no going back in three years. Such bull*****

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/17-republicans-rebel-against-house-gop-leaders-join-dems-pass-obamacare-extension

Still has to pass the senate.

Burpelson said:

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Still has to pass the senate.

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By a simple majority or something more? What are the chances it passes the senate?

I hope the subsidies do go away, but if they stay, it will help many people's decisions about early retirements (before 65).

What's the alternative plan?

Until there is one, Obamacare should stay.

Wouldn't Trump still have to sign it? Hopefully that wouldn't happen even if it passed the Senate.

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Burpelson said:

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Still has to pass the senate.

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By a simple majority or something more? What are the chances it passes the senate?

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1. Has to even be brought up for vote, which has already been shot down in Senate
2. Takes 60 to pass filibuster
3. Trump can Veto it, then it would take 2/3 of each chamber to override.

I dont see why they dont just go with Trumps plan.

Almost everyone of these R's are in purple states/districts and holding onto the House was already at risk. Not surprised by this. They voted to save their skin rather than lose the House or do the long-term right thing.

infinity ag said:

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What's the alternative plan?

Until there is one, Obamacare should stay.

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What preferable alternative is there to cancer? Free the market, let medical insurance plans be full a-la-carte(i.e. don't force an adult single male to have coverage for pregnancy because it just adds red tape and expense) and let charity & medicaid cover the poor.



Laissez-faire may have problems, but in the long run the industry would improve and get cheaper instead of getting more expensive and worse. Maximize government involvement and the end of that road is the Canadian MAID system, where the goal isn't healthcare but minimizing expense, which inevitably emphasizes state assisted homicide. If we are called to love our fellow man, that is clearly not the road to take.

infinity ag said:

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What's the alternative plan?

Until there is one, Obamacare should stay.

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Why does there have to be a plan?

Remove Obamacare and have a press conference saying "the health insurance market is once again completely open, free, and no longer tied to government in any way. We invite as much competition as possible."

infinity ag said:

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What's the alternative plan?

Until there is one, Obamacare should stay.

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As a type 1 diabetic and 1099 independent contractor this issue really hits home. My insurance went up 50% and I basically have 2 car payments now

Package it with election and census fixes and it's worth it imo.

infinity ag said:

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What's the alternative plan?

Until there is one, Obamacare should stay.

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The alternative plan for health insurance is the same plan for life insurance, disability insurance, renter's insurance, auto insurance, and homeowner's insurance. If you want any or all of them, you contact an insurance agent and purchase what you want.

The government should not be involved in insurance. We are already broke, already overdrawn, and obamacare should die on the vine.

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infinity ag said:

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What's the alternative plan?

Until there is one, Obamacare should stay.

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The alternative plan for health insurance is the same plan for life insurance, disability insurance, renter's insurance, auto insurance, and homeowner's insurance. If you want any or all of them, you contact an insurance agent and purchase what you want.

The government should not be involved in insurance. We are already broke, already overdrawn, and obamacare should die on the vine.

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Does that include crop and flood insurance that the taxpayers subsidize?

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infinity ag said:

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What's the alternative plan?

Until there is one, Obamacare should stay.

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We don't need to fix bad government with alternative government.

No government is a completely valid answer to a lot of societal questions.

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Preach.

TexasAggie73 said:

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one safe place said:

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infinity ag said:

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What's the alternative plan?

Until there is one, Obamacare should stay.

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The alternative plan for health insurance is the same plan for life insurance, disability insurance, renter's insurance, auto insurance, and homeowner's insurance. If you want any or all of them, you contact an insurance agent and purchase what you want.

The government should not be involved in insurance. We are already broke, already overdrawn, and obamacare should die on the vine.

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Does that include crop and flood insurance that the taxpayers subsidize?

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I'll take a shot at it.

Life, disability, renters, auto, health, and homeowners are all individual risks. If you want insurance, buy it.

Flood insurance is more of a group risk. When floods occur, more than one is affected and potentially many, but nowhere near all. If that group wants insurance, they should buy it.

Crop insurance and food subsidy programs are tied to universal risk. We all need to eat to survive. No one needs the individual or group insurance mentioned above to survive. But we all need food.

In that vein, government should stay out of individual and group risks.

For food insurance -- as a universal benefit like national defense -- there's a strong case to be made for the government to support the underlying foundation so we don't all go hungry.

Just speculation, but if the polling was bad enough to get them to break ranks, a veto would cause serious issues at midterms.

Im not endorsing any of it, just pointing out the potential landmines being layed here.

infinity ag said:

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What's the alternative plan?

Until there is one, Obamacare should stay.

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How about put it back the way it was before this "plan" that does not work? Most of the country is getting screwed by this "plan".

****ing idiots.

I hear you, but that is what Obamacare did me- doubled the monthly bill, deductibles tripled.

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Just speculation, but if the polling was bad enough to get them to break ranks, a veto would cause serious issues at midterms.

Im not endorsing any of it, just pointing out the potential landmines being layed here.

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I don't think Trump would veto it. He's already said he was open to extending them.

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I dont see why they dont just go with Trumps plan.

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They should go with Obama's plan. Where you get to keep your doctor and premiums drop $2500 a year.




Oh, wait...

TexasAggie73 said:

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one safe place said:

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infinity ag said:

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What's the alternative plan?

Until there is one, Obamacare should stay.

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The alternative plan for health insurance is the same plan for life insurance, disability insurance, renter's insurance, auto insurance, and homeowner's insurance. If you want any or all of them, you contact an insurance agent and purchase what you want.

The government should not be involved in insurance. We are already broke, already overdrawn, and obamacare should die on the vine.

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Does that include crop and flood insurance that the taxpayers subsidize?

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Yes

infinity ag said:

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What's the alternative plan?

Until there is one, Obamacare should stay.

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Obamacare is alive just not well

And subsidies never should've been permanent; they were a pandemic stopgap only

Premiums for my wife and I have gone from $1045 last year to $2300 this year

infinity ag said:

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What's the alternative plan?

Until there is one, Obamacare should stay.

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Wrong. Then there's no driver to bring an alternative plan to vote.

Geminiv said:

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I dont see why they dont just go with Trumps plan.

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TDS