SAVE Act

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Didn't see a thread about this but chatter on X is that a the SAVE Act, which requires voter ID and to prove US citizenship to vote in elections, may be getting attached to the revised DHS funding bill and the Senate maybe moving to resume the standing (talking) filibuster and invoke the the "nuclear" option to lower vote approvals to a simple majority.

Lot of daylight between here and there but White House seems onboard given what is being said by House reps after a meeting there tonight.

Per Grok:
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The **nuclear option** is a parliamentary procedure (or maneuver) in the **U.S. Senate** that allows the majority party to change how the chamber's rules are interpreted or applied effectively bypassing or altering longstanding requirements like the 60-vote supermajority threshold needed to end a **filibuster** (via cloture) using only a simple majority vote (usually 51 votes, or 50 plus the vice president's tiebreaker).

### How it works in practice
It doesn't formally rewrite the Senate rulebook in the traditional way (which would require a higher threshold). Instead, it relies on a series of procedural steps:
- A senator raises a **point of order** that challenges or contradicts an existing rule or precedent (e.g., claiming that cloture on a certain type of matter should only require a majority).
- The presiding officer (often the vice president or a senator) rules on it typically in favor of the majority's position.
- The ruling is appealed.
- The Senate then votes on whether to sustain (uphold) or overturn the presiding officer's ruling.
- If a simple majority votes to overturn the ruling, it creates a new precedent that changes how the rules function going forward without needing 60+ votes.

This effectively "reinterprets" Senate Rule XXII (the cloture rule) or other procedures for specific purposes, lowering the bar from 60 votes to 51 for ending debate and advancing to a final vote.

### Why it's called "nuclear"
The term (coined around 2003 by then-Sen. Trent Lott) reflects its extreme, high-stakes nature like using nuclear weapons in war. It dramatically weakens the minority party's ability to block legislation or nominees via filibuster, so the expectation is that the minority will retaliate aggressively when they regain power (e.g., by blocking the majority's priorities through other means or eventually going nuclear themselves).

### Historical uses
- **2013** Democrats (under Majority Leader Harry Reid) used it to eliminate the 60-vote filibuster threshold for most executive branch and lower-court judicial nominations.
- **2017** Republicans (under Majority Leader Mitch McConnell) extended it to Supreme Court nominations (to confirm Neil Gorsuch).
- Later instances (including in 2025 under Republican leadership) involved more targeted or creative applications, such as for certain budget-related matters, Congressional Review Act resolutions, or batch confirmations of presidential nominees but full elimination of the legislative filibuster (for regular bills) has remained extremely controversial and has not been done as of early 2026.

In the context of the post you linked (about the SAVE Act / voter citizenship proof requirements), the "nuclear option" would refer to Republicans potentially using this maneuver to lower the cloture threshold to 51 votes specifically for that bill (or similar legislation), allowing it to overcome a Democratic filibuster without needing 60 votes. As of February 2026, no such full change for ordinary legislation like the SAVE Act has been confirmed to have occurred.
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Just left the White House. POTUS wants the SAVE America Act passed! Voter ID is number one. Today, Schumer said he wants mass amnesty for all illegals and to immediately stop all ICE efforts.

After speaking with many senators, as well as directly with POTUS, the pathway forward is through the standing filibuster. This would effectively keep the government open while allowing Republican senators to break through the "zombie" filibuster and put the SAVE America Act up for a vote on the Senate floor.

The standing filibuster is not common parliamentary procedure, but it is one of the only mechanisms available to go around senators who want to block voter ID.

@LeaderJohnThune we are very pleased that you are discussing the standing filibuster, and we believe you will go down in history if this is pulled off as one of the best leaders the Senate has ever had. Voter ID is a must, and the ball is now in your court.
Logos Stick
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Trump is pushing hard to end the filibuster. They need to end it and pass this, among other things.
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The thing is, we can pass this law and make it the law of the land, but blue States will just simply ignore it.

They will continue with their voter role shenanigans and fraudulent counting processes because they know that Republicans will never do anything about it, law or no law.

Republicans are too afraid of being called a name, like "eLEcTiOn dENieR!!!"
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Tell Shumer hell no on mass amnesty for illegals, but yes we will pause operations on ICE effective immediately. Give them a week or two off, and then get them started up again once the bill passes.
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Flag all AI posts as trolling.
Rapier108
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Pass it and it will take 5 years before SCOTUS rules on it.

Some Biden or Obama judge already has an injunction written up in case it passes.
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4 said:

The thing is, we can pass this law and make it the law of the land, but blue States will just simply ignore it.

They will continue with their voter role shenanigans and fraudulent counting processes because they know that Republicans will never do anything about it, law or no law.

Republicans are too afraid of being called a name, like "eLEcTiOn dENieR!!!"

That's a pretty defeatist attitude. You can say that about just about every law that's passed. You will always have someone or some group somewhere that will break that law. Doesn't mean you shouldn't do it. It would be one more tool in the toolbox to go after the lawless that don't care about the rules.
The best way to keep evil men from wielding great power is to not create great power in the first place.
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Thune is just as bad as his predecessor. Republicans, in general, continue to fail America.
AgFan1974
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This is where the rubber meets the road. All of the chaos around ICE, Illegal Alien vs Immigrant, secure border vs open border, looney local and state politicians protecting their "community", amnesty, court packing etc. etc. comes down to this one fight.

Keep a very close eye on who does what here. What this country is in 20 years will be defined in how this plays out. Getcha popcorn ready...
Ellis Wyatt
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They're still not putting judges on the bench. Biden and Hussein judges thumb their noses at the law and republicans refuse to make sure at least judges who follow the law fill the vacancies.
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FTAG 2000
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Thune and Turtle aren't going to let this get to the floor for a vote.

Let's see who the real Republicans are in Congress - the other spending bill shouldn't be passed until SAVE is voted.
Bunk Moreland
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I wouldn't go nuclear here. But I'd absolutely force the Dems to actually have to stand up there and filibuster something 80+% of Americans absolutely want. Would be a political disaster for them.
Ellis Wyatt
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They won't have to. The Republicans will **** this up for all of us.
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4 said:

The thing is, we can pass this law and make it the law of the land, but blue States will just simply ignore it.

They will continue with their voter role shenanigans and fraudulent counting processes because they know that Republicans will never do anything about it, law or no law.

Republicans are too afraid of being called a name, like "eLEcTiOn dENieR!!!"

Pole watchers and lawyers helped minimized the cheating in 2024. It's the way forward for every election.
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FTAG 2000 said:

Thune and Turtle aren't going to let this get to the floor for a vote.

Let's see who the real Republicans are in Congress - the other spending bill shouldn't be passed until SAVE is voted.

A good idea, but the Republicans have already caved.

(Was there ever any doubt?)
Ellis Wyatt
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Purging voter rolls like Florida did is key.
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I didn't say we shouldn't do it. I'm all for it. I simply stated that the blue States will ignore it. And that the Republicans will do nothing about it, which they won't.
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What I like about the SAVE act - it is 100% clear to me that this law is constitutional. It sets up rules on how to hold federal elections, which congress expressly has the authority to do under the constitution.

What I hate about the SAVE act - it comes with no penalties. The only way to enforce it is for the federal government to sue when the law is broken to force compliance.

What I hope - is that we will pass additional laws that set up criminal penalties for election officials that refuse to enforce the SAVE act, or allow people to register to vote or to vote that are not eligible to do so.
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BusterAg said:

What I like about the SAVE act - it is 100% clear to me that this law is constitutional. It sets up rules on how to hold federal elections, which congress expressly has the authority to do under the constitution.

What I hate about the SAVE act - it comes with no penalties. The only way to enforce it is for the federal government to sue when the law is broken to force compliance.

What I hope - is that we will pass additional laws that set up criminal penalties for election officials that refuse to enforce the SAVE act, or allow people to register to vote or to vote that are not eligible to do so.



Wouldn't the penalty be the election is not certified for any state that doesn't follow the rules? What a mess. You're right, needs to be penalties for the election officials or it's just going to lead to lawsuit after lawsuit or multiple J6 type riots.
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Don't state's control their elections? How would the fed saying "Must show ID to vote" impact any state's current law?

And why is this so hard or 'illegal' in some states? I have to show an ID to vote in my state.
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agracer said:

Don't state's control their elections? How would the fed saying "Must show ID to vote" impact any state's current law?

And why is this so hard or 'illegal' in some states? I have to show an ID to vote in my state.


It's hard in the true blue states because they have massive fraud.
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agracer said:

Don't state's control their elections? How would the fed saying "Must show ID to vote" impact any state's current law?

And why is this so hard or 'illegal' in some states? I have to show an ID to vote in my state.

https://www.eac.gov/election-officials/clearinghouse-resources-election-law-policy/overview-federal-election-laws

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While state law primarily determines how elections are conducted, federal law also sets standards that all states must follow.

At the federal level, the U.S. Constitution, federal laws, and agencies all impact state and local administration of federal elections. In each state and territory, state constitutions, laws, and regulations dictate how election administrators carry out federal election functionsfrom registering voters to certifying election results. State-based processes must comply with federal law.

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agracer said:

Don't state's control their elections? How would the fed saying "Must show ID to vote" impact any state's current law?

And why is this so hard or 'illegal' in some states? I have to show an ID to vote in my state.

Yes, states currently control this. Some states you only have to be registered, show up and sign by your name and they "check" your signature against the registry.

Other states you must show ID or have another approved method like an affidavit (Texas is one of these).

Others you must show a state approved picture ID (I believe Arkansas is one of those).

It seems the SAVE act would require voter ID by federal law. Even if this passes through congress and is signed into law, it will be challenged in court. Supreme Court... Not going to be resolved any time soon.

I am 50ish and can remember showing my ID at every election since I was 18 (Texas). I also can't ever remember seeing anyone showing an affidavit at the polling place while I was there, always photo IDs. Im sure it happens though. This is only an issue in a select group of states. Take a wild guess which ones.
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agracer said:

Don't state's control their elections? How would the fed saying "Must show ID to vote" impact any state's current law?

And why is this so hard or 'illegal' in some states? I have to show an ID to vote in my state.

Both parties need to certify the federal election
All votes need to be tied back to an ID which would be on a National database
How are the Democrats gonna cheat this time
No ID no Vote
Ellis Wyatt
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Some states allow people to show up and register. Or they just take ballots that came from the ether and count those. Or courts just illegally change the laws to allow anything to go.
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Ellis Wyatt said:

Some states allow people to show up and register. Or they just take ballots that came from the ether and count those. Or courts just illegally change the laws to allow anything to go.

I'm sure there are a variety of state approved methods varying from extremely tight to extremely loose. The just of it is that states do have the right to structure their own laws. I believe this is ultimately controled by a loose set of federal guardrails, but could be wrong. The way I understand it is the SAVE act would tighen those guardrails. To what degree I honestly do not know. Sounds like to the degree of requiring photo ID which I think is a good idea.
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For example you can vouch for 8 people in Minnesota.. what a joke
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House approved the Senate and White House-negotiated changes to 5 of 6 remaining spending bills, which funds 11 of the 12 budget appropriations.

The last appropriation bill, which funds the Department of Homeland Security has been extended on a short term, two week, continuing resolution which keeps it open only long enough to negotiate the current impasse that Democrats in the Senate (and now House) kicked up after the shooting of Alex Pretti a week ago.

Dems want a litany of things like no more face masks on ICE agents, judicial warrants for arrests, and body cameras (among others). Of those only body cameras have been agreed to and the rest are mostly toxic for the administration, but also things which Dems will be roasted by their base for back tracking on, so the impasse seems fairly real.

The SAVE Act was / is(?) proposed to be attached to the DHS funding bill, not the 5 which were re-approved today.

The reality of invoking a standing filibuster means that the Senate can't close the session and call a simple majority vote until all senators who wish to speak have had two opportunities to speak, for as long as they wish. No rule change or removal of the filibuster needed - all happens within the existing rule book.

Cory Booker when for 25+ hours last year in a stunt filibuster speech, so multiply that across however many Dem senators wish to grandstand and it could easily be a multi-day session which requires all senators to remain near the chamber for when interim votes come up.

That's really the only reason senators are hesitant to bring it up - it requires multiple days of staying on Capitol Hill and the lazy SOB's don't want to be inconvenienced.
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AgFan1974 said:

Ellis Wyatt said:

Some states allow people to show up and register. Or they just take ballots that came from the ether and count those. Or courts just illegally change the laws to allow anything to go.

I'm sure there are a variety of state approved methods varying from extremely tight to extremely loose. The just of it is that states do have the right to structure their own laws. I believe this is ultimately controled by a loose set of federal guardrails, but could be wrong. The way I understand it is the SAVE act would tighen those guardrails. To what degree I honestly do not know. Sounds like to the degree of requiring photo ID which I think is a good idea.

It's a little muddied right now because of a late change and rebranding.

The SAVE Act was originally introduced last year and passed by the House, sent to the Senate and has been languishing there since because of the Dem threat of a filibuster. That originally was just a bill requiring US citizenship to vote in federal elections while purging voter rolls of non-citizens, with no firm voter ID requirement included.

Last month it was dusted off and has been reworked to include the voter ID requirement and was redubbed the SAVE America Act. That has been introduced to the House and Senate both, but has not been voted on in either body.



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The legislation primarily amends the National Voter Registration Act of 1993 (NVRA) and related federal election laws to impose new requirements aimed at preventing non-citizen voting (which is already illegal under existing federal law, though enforcement varies).

Key components include:

  • Proof of U.S. Citizenship for Voter Registration States would be required to obtain documentary proof of citizenship in person when an individual registers to vote (or updates their registration) in federal elections. Acceptable documents typically include a U.S. passport, birth certificate, or certain REAL ID-compliant identifications that explicitly indicate citizenship. Standard driver's licenses (even REAL ID versions) or other common IDs often would not suffice on their own unless they denote citizenship status. This provision carries over from the original SAVE Act.
  • Voter ID Requirement for Casting Ballots A major addition in this "improved" version: Individuals would need to present an eligible photo identification document before voting in federal elections. This applies to in-person voting and potentially extends to mail/absentee voting (with variations in related bills like the MEGA Act). This goes beyond the original SAVE Act's focus solely on registration.
  • Removal of Non-Citizens from Voter Rolls States would be mandated to take steps to identify and remove non-citizens from existing voter registration lists, building on existing requirements but with stronger enforcement mechanisms.
  • Other Elements Some versions or related analyses mention provisions for alternative evidence processes if primary documents are unavailable, private rights of action against election officials who fail to comply, and potential exemptions or incentives tied to state cooperation with federal agencies (e.g., sharing voter rolls with DHS for verification via tools like the SAVE programdistinct from the bill's acronym).


dvldog
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To your point. Apparently the Senate is so busy that they just won't have time for this:

GeorgiAg
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Trump is worried about the midterms.

Just a little speedbump called the Consti- consti .Something like that sounds like that.
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dvldog said:

To your point. Apparently the Senate is so busy that they just won't have time for this:



This is Thune saying it's not going to happen without saying it's not going to happen. Equivocation at its finest.
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dvldog said:

To your point. Apparently the Senate is so busy that they just won't have time for this:



uniparty wins again. Been waiting on the senate a year you vag.
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