It's fun reading all the news and quotes talking about Trump's goals in Iran. Especially the part about regime change.

Team Trump is not saying they want regime change.

But what is Israel saying? Look at the targeting. In the first two days it was coming out that American forces weee targeting the military while Israeli forces were targeting the leadership.

This appears to still be the same.

Iran is going through Supreme Leaders faster than a home with a new puppy going through paper towels.

So, what is Israel's objective? I'm thinking regime change is right there at the top of the list.

Seems to me that Israel is unapologetically pushing for regime change, while we are not listing that as an explicit goal even while encouraging the Iranians to take that step themselves. We blow up missiles and ships, and the Israelis are in charge of blowing up the mullahs and IRGC, even when they hide in schools and hospitals. I would be surprised if we call off the Israelis before the regime is changed.

91Challenger said:

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It's fun reading all the news and quotes talking about Trump's goals in Iran. Especially the part about regime change.

Team Trump is not saying they want regime change.

But what is Israel saying? Look at the targeting. In the first two days it was coming out that American forces weee targeting the military while Israeli forces were targeting the leadership.

This appears to still be the same.

Iran is going through Supreme Leaders faster than a home with a new puppy going through paper towels.

So, what is Israel's objective? I'm thinking regime change is right there at the top of the list.

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https://open.spotify.com/episode/5JrS37Z8GbnmLKMkzTquVq?si=xQF43B83RtW-8X9gAvjk6g&t=1258&pi=6W9nfW38R1Gag

Take a listen- gets into some of the desired outcome sof Israel and the usa, how some are shared and some are different.


Israel, imo, definitely wants regime change. They want the radical islamist out of power.

The usa, while not the primary goal, wouldnt mind that, and definitely gave the Israelis permission to remove them(radical islamist) from the equation.

The usa appears to want the removal of nuke ambitions and technology, missle capacity, not necessarily regime change. I really dont think Trump gives a **** what sort of govt any particular nation uses so long as whatever it is is friendly to the United States. I dont think this is about spreading democracy, as the neo cons used to say

Base on proximity and philosophy of the current Iranian leadership, a regime change is in the long term interests of the US. Regime change is in the short term survival interests of Israel base on those same elements.

If we get Iran wrong, Iran is a problem for us. If we get Iran wrong, Israel could be a parking lot. That is why it is a little higher on their priority list.

91Challenger said:

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It's fun reading all the news and quotes talking about Trump's goals in Iran. Especially the part about regime change.

Team Trump is not saying they want regime change.

But what is Israel saying? Look at the targeting. In the first two days it was coming out that American forces weee targeting the military while Israeli forces were targeting the leadership.

This appears to still be the same.

Iran is going through Supreme Leaders faster than a home with a new puppy going through paper towels.

So, what is Israel's objective? I'm thinking regime change is right there at the top of the list.

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Yep. This is the question that isn't being asked and it gives Trump and Rubio the perfect out. OUR goal isn't regime change but Israel's goal is. So we don't have to send in ground troops or do too much in terms of clandestine ops, we just clear the road and let Israel do it while having plausible deniability. OUR goal is to make them toothless. Israel will do the dirty work.

It seems Mossad's ability to infiltrate and their willingness to do the "dirty work" combined with our superior tech/hardware/missiles/$ is unstoppable in that part of the world. Go team USA/Israel

Trump knows the phrase "regime change" comes with political baggage he doesn't need. But I get the feeling we won't reach our goals until regime change is eminent.

BBRex said:

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Trump knows the phrase "regime change" comes with political baggage he doesn't need. But I get the feeling we won't reach our goals until regime change is eminent.

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When Trump is telling Iranians that the time is now and told them that we were coming, it's only not obvious to those willfully not wanting to see regime change is the goal.

Bulldog73 said:

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Seems to me that Israel is unapologetically pushing for regime change, while we are not listing that as an explicit goal even while encouraging the Iranians to take that step themselves. We blow up missiles and ships, and the Israelis are in charge of blowing up the mullahs and IRGC, even when they hide in schools and hospitals. I would be surprised if we call off the Israelis before the regime is changed.

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100% accurate and well stated

TRUMP has several times stated he wants the regime to be changed

but for internal USA political reasons that is NOT a stated objective

which is very smart.

there are four stated objectives for the USA - and Israel will continue to try to kill as many of the IRGC leaders as they can

If you'll look past your anti-Israel b.s. for a minute, you'll see that this aligns with a much bigger picture. Some of you are as bad as the Dems who can't see anything good coming from this only because Trump is president while it happens.

We have differences with all our "allies".
It's just that when push comes to shove, the Europeans tell us to solve it on our own while the Israelis are right there in the front lines with us.

Quote:

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Israel The world has too much sway in the US.

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fixed. the problem is, American politicians are up for the highest bidder.

Trump wants regime change. The goal of this campaign is not regime change. Those are different things.

Regime change is just a possible, preferable consequence of the campaign. Trump just isn't going to hold their hand through the process.

FOUR American Objectives:

OPERATION EPIC FURY:

1. Destroy the Iranian regime's missiles
2. Annihilate their Navy
3. Ensure their terrorist proxies can no longer destabilize the world
4. Ensure Iran can NEVER obtain a nuclear weapon

America will win. The terrorist Iranian regime will be defeated. pic.twitter.com/OxirjXAgGH

— The White House (@WhiteHouse) March 3, 2026

As LBJ once said about regime change aftermath, "They may be S.O.B.s but they are OUR S.O.B.s."

UTExan said:

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We have differences with all our "allies".
It's just that when push comes to shove, the Europeans tell us to solve it on our own while the Israelis are right there in the front lines with us.

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of course NO ONE will mention this fact:

there is no other military on the face of the planet today

that could conduct a bombing campaign with the US Air Force and US Navy encompassing hundreds of aircraft and have zero friendly fire incidents.

other than the Israel Defense Forces.

Israel's strategy evidently is to push for the Shah and his transitional democratic government to take control. I think Trump was fine taking out the top and negotiating with someone more moderate that can be controlled similar to Venezuela. That's not going to be possible if Israel keeps the dominos falling.

US interests include cutting off China's access to Iranian black-market oil, and removing both China's and Russia's ally in the region.

bonfarr said:

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Israel's strategy evidently is to push for the Shah and his transitional democratic government to take control. I think Trump was fine taking out the top and negotiating with someone more moderate that can be controlled similar to Venezuela. That's not going to be possible if Israel keeps the dominos falling.

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Trump just wants someone he can work with and trust. If that is the Crown Prince? So be it.

I'm not convinced we or Israel can force a regime change without boots on the ground. We'll see.

Who?mikejones! said:

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I really dont think Trump gives a **** what sort of govt any particular nation uses so long as whatever it is is friendly to the United States. I dont think this is about spreading democracy, as the neo cons used to say

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As it should be. As it should have always been. Would have saved us a lot of blood and treasure.

Trumps released speech on the night of the first strike where he is in in a dark room and wearing a USA hat is an explicit regime change speech. Watch it

Flavius Agximus said:

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Who?mikejones! said:

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I really dont think Trump gives a **** what sort of govt any particular nation uses so long as whatever it is is friendly to the United States. I dont think this is about spreading democracy, as the neo cons used to say

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As it should be. As it should have always been. Would have saved us a lot of blood and treasure.

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Yeah, but I mean, look at the US record in the ME. Afghanistan is still run by Taliban. Iraq is a failed stated being propped up by US. Libya is a failed state. Syria is literally run by Al Qaeda. Is this good?

Israel will keep blowing the higher ups up until all that's left is someone they already own. Good strategy.

The Iranian Islamist regime was pure evil. No question. The question that hasn't been answered is what happens when they're gone. Texags told me this weekend that it's not our problem. Kind of like Syria after Iraq wasn't our problem, I guess.

TX AG 88 said:

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US interests include cutting off China's access to Iranian black-market oil, and removing both China's and Russia's ally in the region.

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Of course Trump wants regime change, but he can't make that a goal of the mission because the politics of it would be impossible in the U.S. Taking out Iranian Islamic leadership was the Israeli's part in the war. It's why America focused on destroying Iran's ballistic missiles as well as all offensive air and sea based weapon capabilities and Israel focused on taking out all the soft targets. Regime change is understandably a lot easier to sell in Israel.

It was a brilliant strategy that should ultimately end up where rational people want it to go without having to argue the regime change debate with the left wing knuckleheads over here.

91Challenger said:

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So, what is the objective?

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Bring Iran to heel.

Plenty more dogs to put down to reach that end.

Israel wants a failed state, similar to Syria or Libya. As much internal strife and civil war as possible. Create a power vacuum that will ensure they have one less challenger for regional power.

Sounds like they're already targeting Turkey next, calling it the next Iran. Also Qatar.

Our objectives keep changing. First it was about the protestors, then the nukes, then regime change, then not regime change, the a mindset change of the regime, then their military and missiles. Sounds like they're throwing out a bunch of things and seeing what does best in the polls.

At least Bush put together a coherent argument. May have been all fake news, but he made his case well in advance.

Keyno said:

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Flavius Agximus said:

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Who?mikejones! said:

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I really dont think Trump gives a **** what sort of govt any particular nation uses so long as whatever it is is friendly to the United States. I dont think this is about spreading democracy, as the neo cons used to say

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As it should be. As it should have always been. Would have saved us a lot of blood and treasure.

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Yeah, but I mean, look at the US record in the ME. Afghanistan is still run by Taliban. Iraq is a failed stated being propped up by US. Libya is a failed state. Syria is literally run by Al Qaeda. Is this good?

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You're making my point. Libya under Ghaddafi better than the terrorist chaos that followed; Iraq under Saddam better than the terrorist chaos that followed; Syria under the Assad better than the chaos that followed. They tried it with Mubarak and Egypt too, but fortunately the army and people had the wherewithal to oust Morsi.

Afghanistan--the graveyard of empires--should have been a punitive expedition to kill bin Laden and topple the Taliban, then get out.

Between the neo-cons and the Susan Rice "responsibility to protect" doctrine, we got a whole lot of nothing.

SirBichenDots said:

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91Challenger said:

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It's fun reading all the news and quotes talking about Trump's goals in Iran. Especially the part about regime change.

Team Trump is not saying they want regime change.

But what is Israel saying? Look at the targeting. In the first two days it was coming out that American forces weee targeting the military while Israeli forces were targeting the leadership.

This appears to still be the same.

Iran is going through Supreme Leaders faster than a home with a new puppy going through paper towels.

So, what is Israel's objective? I'm thinking regime change is right there at the top of the list.

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Anyone that doesn't want regime change is stupid or evil.

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Or doesn't give a **** either way…

That is an actual possibility.

How are we going to pay for all the illegal immigrants, grift and corruption in Medicare/Medicaid if we are spending billions in the ME.

Personally I'm rooting for the full freedom of Persian baddies and think every dime is well spent.