I guess it is all in how you look at it.
Hannity called obama's surging stock market, the "Jobless recovery"
Good for investors, sucked for working folks.

Owlagdad said:

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I guess it is all in how you look at it.
Hannity called obama's surging stock market, the "Jobless recovery"
Good for investors, sucked for working folks.

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The working class are working

ETFan said:

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Market =/= economy, come on now.

But as a participant, glad to see.

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This might be the 1st time i've agreed with ETFan

The cradle to grave multi generational welfare and constant increase in federal govt spending which far outpaces inflation and population growth is going to at some point crater the US and essentially reboot the entire world. It's not going to be good.

Trump has done a lot of good pushing back on leftist insanity which has overwhelmed our culture and strategically improving our global posture. BUT, nothing has been solved with regard to the debt, deficit spending or even slowing the out of control growth of federal govt spending. He's made progress but hasn't addressed illegal immigration and the republican "led" Congress has accomplished almost nothing.

I'm glad market is doing well as essentially all my "wealth" is in equity, but I wish I could be more Bullish on bothe where America is and our even short term outlook

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Owlagdad said:

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I guess it is all in how you look at it.
Hannity called obama's surging stock market, the "Jobless recovery"
Good for investors, sucked for working folks.

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The working class are working

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But are they making any headway.
With inflation cutting into their salaries, are younger working folks going to praise the economy because someone's portfolio got better? No. Media will them how their life sucks and its Trumps fault, and they will begin to question their vote.
Hope he turns it around. Hope it is in time for mid terms.

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Is there some infection point that shows Trump caused this?

Or is it a continuation of the trend it was on?

The stock market is does not apply to more than half of the population. The majority are frozen out because they need to buy groceries and pay rent that has jumped 40% or more in the last few years.

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When something bad happens, never blame him. When something good happens, always credit him. Easy peasy.

I'm glad my investments and retirement are doing well.

I'll just leave this here. https://www.usdebtclock.org

AggieVictor10 said:

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Ag98and03 said:

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Is there some infection point that shows Trump caused this?

Or is it a continuation of the trend it was on?

The stock market is does not apply to more than half of the population. The majority are frozen out because they need to buy groceries and pay rent that has jumped 40% or more in the last few years.

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When something bad happens, never blame him. When something good happens, always credit him. Easy peasy.

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We do the same about God. So why not about Trump?

Capt. Augustus McCrae said:

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Never mind the fact that real wages haven't increased in 20+ years, groceries are sky high, it costs $20,000 to have a child in the hospital, whole neighborhoods smell like curry, our taxes go to foreigners committing fraud, we're at war with a country at the behest of another country, almost 10% of the population is on welfare or foot stamps, there are taxpayer dollars going to slush funds for members of congress covering up sexual assaults, but hey the stock market is up.

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Incorrect in spirit: almost 10% of the population is on welfare or food stamps approx 30% are receiving federal aid including Income tax credit and housing assistance.

But give Trump his due, he has slashed federal depts. done the most to correct immigration, and doing the most to eliminate fraud.

You left off the deficit btw. ETA as NoahAG pointed out. Overall things are generally better under Trump, despite his big spending, imo.

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Capt. Augustus McCrae said:

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Never mind the fact that real wages haven't increased in 20+ years, groceries are sky high, it costs $20,000 to have a child in the hospital, whole neighborhoods smell like curry, our taxes go to foreigners committing fraud, we're at war with a country at the behest of another country, almost 10% of the population is on welfare or foot stamps, there are taxpayer dollars going to slush funds for members of congress covering up sexual assaults, but hey the stock market is up.

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He's doing his best to correct the crapstorm he inherited.

Iran and Venezuela were about oil and China, not Israel. I know that's all you've read in the headlines, but the people writing that drivel aren't intelligent enough to think more than one step ahead. You should take off your blinders and think about this whole mess a bit more like a masters game of chess, not checkers with a kindergartner.

Edit to add that I just read about the Strait of Malacca. Guess Israel is getting us involved in Indonesia as well. Is Israel also adding fuel to the Cuban fire?

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You can call it drivel, but this isn't exactly the "America First" we were promised, is it?

Capt. Augustus McCrae said:

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vansprinkle said:

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Capt. Augustus McCrae said:

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Never mind the fact that real wages haven't increased in 20+ years, groceries are sky high, it costs $20,000 to have a child in the hospital, whole neighborhoods smell like curry, our taxes go to foreigners committing fraud, we're at war with a country at the behest of another country, almost 10% of the population is on welfare or foot stamps, there are taxpayer dollars going to slush funds for members of congress covering up sexual assaults, but hey the stock market is up.

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He's doing his best to correct the crapstorm he inherited.

Iran and Venezuela were about oil and China, not Israel. I know that's all you've read in the headlines, but the people writing that drivel aren't intelligent enough to think more than one step ahead. You should take off your blinders and think about this whole mess a bit more like a masters game of chess, not checkers with a kindergartner.

Edit to add that I just read about the Strait of Malacca. Guess Israel is getting us involved in Indonesia as well. Is Israel also adding fuel to the Cuban fire?

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You can call it drivel, but this isn't exactly the "America First" we were promised, is it?

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I'm genuinely trying to understand this mindset. What do you think happens to Americans and American workers if we lose our global hegemony? If you think it's not under threat by Chinas moves over the last 20 years, make the case. I'm interested to hear it.

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Trump is pulling off the biggest shift of global power since Reagan's Star Wars bluff caused the Soviet Union to collapse due to bankruptcy. Trump's Venezuela coup, his defeat of Iran and control of the Strait of Hormuz plus drill baby drill making the USA the largest producer of oil and gas, has put America in charge of 36% of world oil.

China withholds rare earths, no oil for you. China invades Taiwan, no oil for you. Iran building nukes, killing more innocents or anything else bad, you won't be selling any oil. Trump is giving a masterclass in what the only superpower with a mighty Bluewater Navy can do when threatened!!!

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Excellent post but you left of this huge development:

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Today, Xi might ask, "Et tu, Indonesia?" If he spoke Latin, that is.
It might have seemed like one of those dry, bureaucratic, almost meaningless announcements on Monday, when War Secretary Pete Hegseth posted on X that the U.S. and Indonesia "are elevating our relationship to a Major Defense Cooperation Partnership."
According to a joint statement, the partnership covers "military modernization and capacity building," "training and professional military education," "exercises and operational cooperation," and I can hear you snoring already.
But a Major Defense Cooperation Partnership is kind of a big deal and it's aimed directly at China's oil imports. China's difficulties begin in the Strait of Hormuz, but they peak at Malacca.
Nearly two-thirds of China's imports largely the raw materials that keep its export machine humming and a whopping 80% of its energy imports pass through Indonesia's Strait of Malacca. But that hardly means Beijing minds its manners around its southern neighbor.
While the two countries maintain a close strategic partnership, there are also persistent strains, particularly around Beijing's claims in the South China Sea, Chinese fishing boat fleets intruding on Indonesian waters, resulting in naval tensions, and ongoing trade disputes.

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https://pjmedia.com/vodkapundit/2026/04/14/another-brick-in-the-wall-around-china-n4951767

Capt. Augustus McCrae said:

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Never mind the fact that real wages haven't increased in 20+ years, groceries are sky high, it costs $20,000 to have a child in the hospital, whole neighborhoods smell like curry, our taxes go to foreigners committing fraud, we're at war with a country at the behest of another country, almost 10% of the population is on welfare or foot stamps, there are taxpayer dollars going to slush funds for members of congress covering up sexual assaults, but hey the stock market is up.

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The previous version of the American Empire is over and much of what you wrote is an accumulation of all past Congress critters and POTUS. But, at least we are getting a good stock market. Enough of that allows you to offset and buy distance away from the rest of what you posted.

If Trump is successful with his reset of the world order that is currently underway, maybe we will see some improvement on your other issues. Totally remains to be seen though. Who knows.

LegalDrugPusher said:

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What always amazes me is whenever people start doubting or thinking that Trump is losing it politically he always prevails in the end. You would think people would quit doubting him and learn from their mistakes but when you have so much hate and pride it's almost impossible to do.

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As much as I would love to see it he isn't getting out of this one. Trump and the Republican party are done. He has broke almost everything he campaign on. Sure some at the top will make some money but the middle class that elected him are done. They won't vote Democrat but they just won't vote. That's the only thing that pushed him over the top.

Things aren't great Trump and the party will have to campaign eventually and those CNN polls showing 100% won't look as good as Trump thinks. This war was icing on the cake come October every other word will be Epstein cover up. Every ad will show every single lie Trump has told. Every contradiction he will be held accountable by the Democrats. They know exactly what they are doing.

Bahahahahaha!

Trump has nothing whatsoever to do with the grift that is higher education. We've told you it was a racket for decades now.

Haleyscomet50 said:

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LegalDrugPusher said:

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What always amazes me is whenever people start doubting or thinking that Trump is losing it politically he always prevails in the end. You would think people would quit doubting him and learn from their mistakes but when you have so much hate and pride it's almost impossible to do.

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As much as I would love to see it he isn't getting out of this one. Trump and the Republican party are done. He has broke almost everything he campaign on. Sure some at the top will make some money but the middle class that elected him are done. They won't vote Democrat but they just won't vote. That's the only thing that pushed him over the top.

Things aren't great Trump and the party will have to campaign eventually and those CNN polls showing 100% won't look as good as Trump thinks. This war was icing on the cake come October every other word will be Epstein cover up. Every ad will show every single lie Trump has told. Every contradiction he will be held accountable by the Democrats. They know exactly what they are doing.

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If he turns it around soon, Americans have a short memory, and it will not hurt GOP as much as it will if voters are pissed at their pocketbook.

Keep in mind the S&P 500 is heavily influenced by inflation.

Capt. Augustus McCrae said:

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Never mind the fact that real wages haven't increased in 20+ years, groceries are sky high, it costs $20,000 to have a child in the hospital, whole neighborhoods smell like curry, our taxes go to foreigners committing fraud, we're at war with a country at the behest of another country, almost 10% of the population is on welfare or foot stamps, there are taxpayer dollars going to slush funds for members of congress covering up sexual assaults, but hey the stock market is up.

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Bingo. Nothing at all to celebrate