Let's do E15 gas year round!

4,821 Views | 54 Replies | Last: 22 days ago by AGHouston11
Over_ed
How long do you want to ignore this user?
AG
https://www.newsmax.com/us/gas-iran-donald-trump/2026/05/13/id/1256215/

More of the same - buying votes.

House just passed a measure allowing E15 (higher ethanol gasoline) year-round
  • Great for farmers - corn is perhaps our highest (federally) subsidized crops.
  • Great for the environment - as long as you don't care about increased ozone in the summer.
  • Great for big refiners - they get to sell more requires (and expensive) RINs (renewable credits) to smaller, independent refiners.
What a load of fertilizer.

End E10 and E15 now. We have plenty of real gasoline; no need or reason to add ANY ethanol.
nortex97
How long do you want to ignore this user?
AG
The Chicken Ranch
How long do you want to ignore this user?
AG
No.
Deerdude
How long do you want to ignore this user?
Have no problem with whatever percentage corn syrup they put in gasoline as long as it's not subsidized to be cheaper than E-Free gasoline.
Kansas Kid
How long do you want to ignore this user?
Over_ed said:

https://www.newsmax.com/us/gas-iran-donald-trump/2026/05/13/id/1256215/

More of the same - buying votes.

House just passed a measure allowing E15 (higher ethanol gasoline) year-round
  • Great for farmers - corn is perhaps our highest (federally) subsidized crops.
  • Great for the environment - as long as you don't care about increased ozone in the summer.
  • Great for big refiners - they get to sell more requires (and expensive) RINs (renewable credits) to smaller, independent refiners.
What a load of fertilizer.

End E10 and E15 now. We have plenty of real gasoline; no need or reason to add ANY ethanol.

You forgot to add the tax credits for higher blends of ethanol as well.

Another hidden cost is around 40% of the US corn crop goes into ethanol meaning the acres, water, diesel, fertilizer, etc aren't available to grow other crops which would reduce the price of those crops.

Let the market decide. Remove all mandatory blending of ethanol annd tax advantages and if people still want it, let them pay the full price of ethanol.
ts5641
How long do you want to ignore this user?
Government can **** up a free lunch.
Fightin_Aggie
How long do you want to ignore this user?
AG
ts5641 said:

Government can **** up a free lunch.


There is no such thing as a free lunch
doubledog
How long do you want to ignore this user?
A side benefit of E15 is that it will take the pre-2000 cars off the road. Classic car lovers and lawnmowers will need to find source of ethanol free gas, I am sure the market will provide.

We need to switch from corn to sugar cane as the source of ethanol. Houston would be an ideal place to refine ethanol from sugar cane with the Gulf of America nations (states) suppling the sugar cane. A free Cuba and a reformed Haiti would be ideal nations for cane production.

YouBet
How long do you want to ignore this user?
AG
Ridiculous b.s. pandering that we still put ethanol in gas and Trump is doubling down on it.
Martin Q. Blank
How long do you want to ignore this user?
doubledog said:

A side benefit of E15 is that it will take the pre-2000 cars off the road. Classic car lovers and lawnmowers will need to find source of ethanol free gas, I am sure the market will provide.

Unless you live in a county that bans it.
EFR
How long do you want to ignore this user?
You should care, it reduces you mileage.
DrEvazanPhD
How long do you want to ignore this user?
Guess the price of deer corn just went up again
Deerdude
How long do you want to ignore this user?
EFR said:

You should care, it reduces you mileage.


You are wrong. I use EFree in my toys that run on gasoline but pay more for it. My truck and wife's vehicle both diesel
MouthBQ98
How long do you want to ignore this user?
AG
How is purposefully sidelining useful capital items good for the economy? That's textbook broken window policy.
AlaskanAg99
How long do you want to ignore this user?
AG
doubledog said:

A side benefit of E15 is that it will take the pre-2000 cars off the road. Classic car lovers and lawnmowers will need to find source of ethanol free gas, I am sure the market will provide.

We need to switch from corn to sugar cane as the source of ethanol. Houston would be an ideal place to refine ethanol from sugar cane with the Gulf of America nations (states) suppling the sugar cane. A free Cuba and a reformed Haiti would be ideal nations for cane production.




No, cane sugar should go into food and corn sugar should not.
aTm '99
HTownAg98
How long do you want to ignore this user?
doubledog said:

A side benefit of E15 is that it will take the pre-2000 cars off the road. Classic car lovers and lawnmowers will need to find source of ethanol free gas, I am sure the market will provide.

We need to switch from corn to sugar cane as the source of ethanol. Houston would be an ideal place to refine ethanol from sugar cane with the Gulf of America nations (states) suppling the sugar cane. A free Cuba and a reformed Haiti would be ideal nations for cane production.



It already does. https://www.pure-gas.org/
I've been running ethanol free gas in my cheapo lawnmower I bought from Walmart 15 years ago. It still runs great.
Kenneth_2003
How long do you want to ignore this user?
AG
Over_ed said:

End E10 and E15 now. We have plenty of real gasoline; no need or reason to add ANY ethanol.

There is a reason for E10 (aside from the tendency to attract water). Yes it's a PITA for small engines, but manageable.

Ethanol replaced Methyl tert-butyl ether (MTBE) as an oxygenate. It used to be added in small quantities to gasoline to boost oxygen, and improve combustion. It's a carcinogen. Though California was the first to remove it from gasoline, it does have more likely hood to cause cancer than everything else that they put their Prop65 warning on. Oh and once it's in the environment it lasts pretty much forever.

So ethanol (E10) was the replacement. Yes it's hell on small engines and marine gasoline engines, primarily because it doesn't store as well for months between uses, but E10 was not a farmer bailout.

E85 on the other hand... Screw that nonsense.

Methyl tert-butyl ether
Gilligan
How long do you want to ignore this user?
AG
Over_ed said:

https://www.newsmax.com/us/gas-iran-donald-trump/2026/05/13/id/1256215/

More of the same - buying votes.

House just passed a measure allowing E15 (higher ethanol gasoline) year-round
  • Great for farmers - corn is perhaps our highest (federally) subsidized crops.
  • Great for the environment - as long as you don't care about increased ozone in the summer.
  • Great for big refiners - they get to sell more requires (and expensive) RINs (renewable credits) to smaller, independent refiners.
What a load of fertilizer.

End E10 and E15 now. We have plenty of real gasoline; no need or reason to add ANY ethanol.

RINs are just a shakedown. End RINs!

Change my mind...
Secolobo
How long do you want to ignore this user?
AG
Deerdude said:

Have no problem with whatever percentage corn syrup they put in gasoline as long as it's not subsidized to be cheaper than E-Free gasoline.

I can tell you don't work on gasoline engines.
All the e-tool items that have replaced small engine lobbyists are winning.
MouthBQ98
How long do you want to ignore this user?
AG
Ethanol encourages water vapor to be absorbed into the gasoline ethanol mix as a sort of emulsification agent but when it sits, it will allow the water to drop out of the mix as liquid water droplets. These are very bad for corrosion, compression in a combustion chamber, and combustion itself. The water particulates also can mix with crud that has accumulated in the bottom of a fuel tank and when disturbed, mix that crud back into the gasoline mix itself and then into the fuel system, crudding up the injectors and filter.

Ethanol at sufficient concentration also attacks and helps embrittlement and oxidation of some plastics and synthetics and that crud breaks off over time and also cruds up the fuel.

A little bit of ethanol is necessary for the best combustion conditions but you don't want more than a small percentage or these other problems become much more prevalent. A lot of engines were designed to tolerate 10% ethanol but not higher.
YouBet
How long do you want to ignore this user?
AG
HTownAg98 said:

doubledog said:

A side benefit of E15 is that it will take the pre-2000 cars off the road. Classic car lovers and lawnmowers will need to find source of ethanol free gas, I am sure the market will provide.

We need to switch from corn to sugar cane as the source of ethanol. Houston would be an ideal place to refine ethanol from sugar cane with the Gulf of America nations (states) suppling the sugar cane. A free Cuba and a reformed Haiti would be ideal nations for cane production.



It already does. https://www.pure-gas.org/
I've been running ethanol free gas in my cheapo lawnmower I bought from Walmart 15 years ago. It still runs great.


Was literally just on this site looking for ethanol free gas stations near me in our new locale. Makes you think.
McInnis 03
How long do you want to ignore this user?
AG
E85 is great to clean my injectors and plugs, and the low end torque is phenomenal.
Deerdude
How long do you want to ignore this user?
Maybe you should reread my post. I run EFree in my Harley, two boats, jet ski, topdrive ranch truck, Jeep CJs, mower, and blower. So yea I am slightly familiar with older engines, marine applications, and small engines, but stand by my statement. I don't care what anybody else uses for fuel, I just think E Free should not be more expensive because Guv subsidizes ethanol.
doubledog
How long do you want to ignore this user?
AlaskanAg99 said:

doubledog said:

A side benefit of E15 is that it will take the pre-2000 cars off the road. Classic car lovers and lawnmowers will need to find source of ethanol free gas, I am sure the market will provide.

We need to switch from corn to sugar cane as the source of ethanol. Houston would be an ideal place to refine ethanol from sugar cane with the Gulf of America nations (states) suppling the sugar cane. A free Cuba and a reformed Haiti would be ideal nations for cane production.




No, cane sugar should go into food and corn sugar should not.

Corn ought to serve as feed for cattle (or humans), thereby reducing beef prices. Cane sugar can thrive in warm climates like those found in the Caribbean. We are capable of generating sufficient sugar to supply North America and to manufacture ethanol. Furthermore, the process of producing ethanol from sugar is significantly simpler and requires less energy compared to using corn.

https://agresearchmag.ars.usda.gov/2008/oct/ethanol/
doubledog
How long do you want to ignore this user?
HTownAg98 said:

doubledog said:

A side benefit of E15 is that it will take the pre-2000 cars off the road. Classic car lovers and lawnmowers will need to find source of ethanol free gas, I am sure the market will provide.

We need to switch from corn to sugar cane as the source of ethanol. Houston would be an ideal place to refine ethanol from sugar cane with the Gulf of America nations (states) suppling the sugar cane. A free Cuba and a reformed Haiti would be ideal nations for cane production.



It already does. https://www.pure-gas.org/
I've been running ethanol free gas in my cheapo lawnmower I bought from Walmart 15 years ago. It still runs great.

Now try your gas weed eater. Yes some mowers (such as Honda) are better built and can handle ethanol gas.
F4GIB71
How long do you want to ignore this user?
I buy my ethanol free gas from QT for my zero turn mower. I get Trufuel 2 cycle and 4 cycle from HD or Lowes for edger, weed eater, and blower
F4GIB71
YouBet
How long do you want to ignore this user?
AG
F4GIB71 said:

I buy my ethanol free gas from QT for my zero turn mower. I get Trufuel 2 cycle and 4 cycle from HD or Lowes for edger, weed eater, and blower


I use it for my car. Are y'all not also doing that or just using it for small motors?
Over_ed
How long do you want to ignore this user?
AG
YouBet said:

Ridiculous b.s. pandering that we still put ethanol in gas and Trump is doubling down on it.

I 100% agree, but given this was a campaign promise and with the midterms coming...every politician would do the same thing.

unfortunately.

Buglerank62
How long do you want to ignore this user?
AG
I thought the original case against raising the ethanol to 15% was it was bad for car engines too. Is that wrong or just pre 2000 engines?
Kansas Kid
How long do you want to ignore this user?
Buglerank62 said:

I thought the original case against raising the ethanol to 15% was it was bad for car engines too. Is that wrong or just pre 2000 engines?


Most older cars have gaskets, materials more susceptible to corrosion and lack the sensors to adjust the fuel air mixture to optimize combustion if using an e15 blend. After 2000, cars were upgraded to handle the higher blend.
AlaskanAg99
How long do you want to ignore this user?
AG
doubledog said:

AlaskanAg99 said:

doubledog said:

A side benefit of E15 is that it will take the pre-2000 cars off the road. Classic car lovers and lawnmowers will need to find source of ethanol free gas, I am sure the market will provide.

We need to switch from corn to sugar cane as the source of ethanol. Houston would be an ideal place to refine ethanol from sugar cane with the Gulf of America nations (states) suppling the sugar cane. A free Cuba and a reformed Haiti would be ideal nations for cane production.




No, cane sugar should go into food and corn sugar should not.

Corn ought to serve as feed for cattle (or humans), thereby reducing beef prices. Cane sugar can thrive in warm climates like those found in the Caribbean. We are capable of generating sufficient sugar to supply North America and to manufacture ethanol. Furthermore, the process of producing ethanol from sugar is significantly simpler and requires less energy compared to using corn.

https://agresearchmag.ars.usda.gov/2008/oct/ethanol/


I should have been more clear about my objection to HFCS in food. Thats what I meant but didnt clarify.
aTm '99
Buglerank62
How long do you want to ignore this user?
AG
Question, if I use higher octane premium rather than regular does that help if I fill up with E85?
Tree Hugger
How long do you want to ignore this user?
AG
I had a 2010 GMC Sierra that was E85 compatible. It was about $0.10 cheaper per gallon, but I only got about 12 mpg ON THE HIGHWAY when I would typically getting 21-22 on road trips (no payload, just me in the truck)

Screw ethanol
BonfireNerd04
How long do you want to ignore this user?
Buglerank62 said:

Question, if I use higher octane premium rather than regular does that help if I fill up with E85?

First, understand what an octane number is.

A hundred years ago, automobile manufacturers decided to engineer cars to go faster, so they increased the compression ratio in their gasoline engines. But when they did so, they found that the fuel/air mixture had a tendency to randomly prematurely ignite before the spark plug fired. This made an annoying "knocking" sound and damaged the engine. So the industry did a bunch of research to see if something could be added to the fuel to reduce the problem. This required having a way to quantify a fuel's knock resistance.

Early on, it was found that 2,2,4-trimethylpentane (popularly known as iso-octane) had a low knocking tendency, while heptane knocked a lot. So a man named Graham Edgar devised a rating scale that scored heptane as 0 and iso-octane as 100, and this "octane number" became the gold standard of measuring knock resistance. Real-world gasoline is a mixture of different chemicals and doesn't necessarily contain a lot of iso-octane, but its anti-knocking performance is compared to iso-octane.

Various octane-boosting chemicals have been used. Tetraethyl lead was popular for about 50 years, but horrible for air quality (and giving children brain damage from lead poisoning), so it was banned (hence all road vehicle gasoline today being "unleaded", but leaded aviation gasoline is still a thing for some reason). Methyl tert-butyl ether (MTBE) replaced it for a while, but it pollutes groundwater and was suspected of causing cancer, so it too was phased out.

Today, the most common octane booster is ethanol, which has the advantage of being relatively cheap. Its main disadvantage is that ethanol has about 1/3 less energy per gallon than the rest of the gasoline, hence the complain that ethanol decreases gas mileage. It also has high enthalpy of vaporization, which means that it doesn't ignite as well during cold weather (a problem which some countries work around by using lower-ethanol blends in winter). Ethanol can also corrode fuel lines, gaskets, or seals in older vehicles that weren't designed for ethanol-blend fuel.

But that's a digression. My main point here is that octane number ONLY measures a gasoline blend's resistance to engine knocking. It does NOT measure energy content, mileage, shelf life, amount of residue deposits, or any other relevant criterion for evaluating gasoline.

So, if your car has a low-compression engine and experiences no knocking with 87 octane gasoline, then using 93 octane will...also produce no engine knocking, but you'll pay more for it.
Bondag
How long do you want to ignore this user?
AG
Tree Hugger said:

I had a 2010 GMC Sierra that was E85 compatible. It was about $0.10 cheaper per gallon, but I only got about 12 mpg ON THE HIGHWAY when I would typically getting 21-22 on road trips (no payload, just me in the truck)

Screw ethanol

I would be ok getting 12 MPG if it was half the cost, but its ridiculous to dillute gas and make it "cheaper" when you have to pay more due to lower mileage. I found this in an article about Brazil where they are able to make ethanol much cheaper with sugar cane and have vehicles capable of running on multiple fuels.

Quote:

Calculating best value for money
The flex-fuel capability lets owner the chance select among two fuels every time they fuel up. But the calculations require some thought.
When we visited Sao Paulo, gasoline cost about 3 reals per liter ($5.15 per gallon) and ethanol cost 2.2 to 2.3 reals ($3.75 to $3.94 per gallon).
But the ethanol only delivers 70% of the miles of E22 gasoline--at least that's the rule of thumb Brazilians use--because its energy content is lower.
So can you do the math in your head to work out which fuel gives you more distance for your money?
Brazilian drivers can, and do--every time they fill up.
(The answer is that ethanol would have to be as low as $3.60 a gallon to equal the miles delivered by gasoline--so last weekend, gasoline was a slightly better value.)

Page 1 of 2
 
×
subscribe Verify your student status
See Subscription Benefits
Trial only available to users who have never subscribed or participated in a previous trial.