Happy Monday. Looking for some quick advice.

I am replying to an internal offer received last week. I have put together my counter offer, but would like to know if I should CC the hiring manager or just reply back to the HR Talent Acquisition team that sent the initial offer. Hiring Manager was not included on the offer.

TIA

I would set up a call to make a counter offer.

Every situation and setup is different these days with no ability to read their minds on how you're supposed to handle things.

Go to the HM and HR rep gets mad. Decline or counter to the HR rep and the HM gets upset because they are out of the loop on the position they are hiring.

It's almost like all the overly complex levels of red tape have made the hiring / job search process impossible.

If you feel like you had a decent rapport with the hiring manager, I'd probably try to give them a call and explain your thoughts and ask if they just want you to respond to the hiring manager. If they don't answer or respond in a day, just go back to the HR rep.

AgLA06 said:

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Every situation and setup is different these days with no ability to read their minds on how you're supposed to handle things.

Go to the HM and HR rep gets mad. Decline or counter to the HR rep and the HM gets upset because they are out of the loop on the position they are hiring.

It's almost like all the overly complex levels of red tape have made the hiring / job search process impossible.

If you feel like you had a decent rapport with the hiring manager, I'd probably try to give them a call and explain your thoughts and ask if they just want you to respond to the hiring manager. If they don't answer or respond in a day, just go back to the HR rep.

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That's not bad advice. Keep in mind in most big companies the hiring manager has no control over the compensation and it's dicated by comp and not HR.

Thanks all. I kind of attacked it on all fronts. Informally discussed some points with HR in detail the day I received it. Next business day I followed up with a written response with detailed counter and justification.

I do have a good rapport with the HM, so I had already given him an idea of what was coming informally over the phone and also sent him an e-mail with a shortened explanation of the counter I sent HR.

Of course the HM is out all week on spring break, so may be crickets for the week.

Awesome!

10andBOUNCE said:

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Thanks all. I kind of attacked it on all fronts. Informally discussed some points with HR in detail the day I received it. Next business day I followed up with a written response with detailed counter and justification.

I do have a good rapport with the HM, so I had already given him an idea of what was coming informally over the phone and also sent him an e-mail with a shortened explanation of the counter I sent HR.

Of course the HM is out all week on spring break, so may be crickets for the week.

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Hope it works out for you.

Internal counters are hard to get with many companies.

Rudyjax said:

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10andBOUNCE said:

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Thanks all. I kind of attacked it on all fronts. Informally discussed some points with HR in detail the day I received it. Next business day I followed up with a written response with detailed counter and justification.

I do have a good rapport with the HM, so I had already given him an idea of what was coming informally over the phone and also sent him an e-mail with a shortened explanation of the counter I sent HR.

Of course the HM is out all week on spring break, so may be crickets for the week.

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Hope it works out for you.

Internal counters are hard to get with many companies.

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Yeah this part has been beyond frustrating both as a hiring manager and recipient.

It's easier for me to go out and get an external offer with 15% increase that gets matched versus the company just giving a modest bump, assuming the employee can justify.

10andBOUNCE said:

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Rudyjax said:

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10andBOUNCE said:

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Thanks all. I kind of attacked it on all fronts. Informally discussed some points with HR in detail the day I received it. Next business day I followed up with a written response with detailed counter and justification.

I do have a good rapport with the HM, so I had already given him an idea of what was coming informally over the phone and also sent him an e-mail with a shortened explanation of the counter I sent HR.

Of course the HM is out all week on spring break, so may be crickets for the week.

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Hope it works out for you.

Internal counters are hard to get with many companies.

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Yeah this part has been beyond frustrating both as a hiring manager and recipient.

It's easier for me to go out and get an external offer with 15% increase that gets matched versus the company just giving a modest bump, assuming the employee can justify.

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Yep, and it's easier for people to go to another company to get that 15%.

That's absolutely terrible.

Ours is kind of shady. I applied, interviewed, etc. They called and said congrats I got the job! I asked about money and the hiring manager said they didn't know, HR would send that. Kind of a you get what you get situation. Shady, but the bump was what I expected and in line with comps so I didn't push back too hard.

Rudyjax said:

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10andBOUNCE said:

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Thanks all. I kind of attacked it on all fronts. Informally discussed some points with HR in detail the day I received it. Next business day I followed up with a written response with detailed counter and justification.

I do have a good rapport with the HM, so I had already given him an idea of what was coming informally over the phone and also sent him an e-mail with a shortened explanation of the counter I sent HR.

Of course the HM is out all week on spring break, so may be crickets for the week.

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Hope it works out for you.

Internal counters are hard to get with many companies.

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Hiring manager was out on spring break all last week but actually accepted and signed off on the counter I had sent the week prior. HR was quick to remind me that I basically got lucky and don't ever expect this to happen again.

10andBOUNCE said:

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Rudyjax said:

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10andBOUNCE said:

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Thanks all. I kind of attacked it on all fronts. Informally discussed some points with HR in detail the day I received it. Next business day I followed up with a written response with detailed counter and justification.

I do have a good rapport with the HM, so I had already given him an idea of what was coming informally over the phone and also sent him an e-mail with a shortened explanation of the counter I sent HR.

Of course the HM is out all week on spring break, so may be crickets for the week.

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Hope it works out for you.

Internal counters are hard to get with many companies.

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Hiring manager was out on spring break all last week but actually accepted and signed off on the counter I had sent the week prior. HR was quick to remind me that I basically got lucky and don't ever expect this to happen again.

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Glad to see that HR actually doesn't have the power here. At a large enough company, the discussion is really between you, whoever is ultimately responsible for the budget for the team, and comp. Your local HR rep is just along for the ride. If I wanted to discuss a pay bump I would have to realistically go up three bosses and make my case. Anyone between me and him would just be a yes man inheriting directives from that guy on a large team. And then we'd both be constrained by comp's silliness. At the company I work for though once you hit a certain level they are more protective of titles and the comp bands get pretty wide.

agrams said:

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my company (fortune 100) has a policy that internal job grade advancements cannot give more than a 10% pay raise (and changing positions within a pay grade cannot receive any pay increase). Which given that the median of each successive pay grade is more than 10%, you really dont have much of a chance to move up within a grade. It's an incredibly stupid policy that encourages people to seek external jobs.

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Are you a former baker Hughes employee too?