Where are the final results.
Surprised Eli didn't get in, but shocked Adam V. didn't get in.
Surprised Eli didn't get in, but shocked Adam V. didn't get in.
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Tight end Antonio Gates, cornerback Eric Allen, defensive end Jared Allen and wide receiver Sterling Sharpe are the newest members of the Pro Football Hall of Fame and will be inducted Aug. 2 in Canton, Ohio
Seems like a weak class other than gates
Eli will get in eventually, but he does have a weird career. A couple of high peaks in what matters most surrounded by a lot of meh. Feels right for him not to be a 1st ballot. Kickers always have an uphill battle
Eric Allen in over Darren Woodson seems off
The NFL HOF can't be taken seriously until Richmond Webb is inducted.
Double Talkin' Jive...
Trucker 96 said:
Eli will get in eventually, but he does have a weird career. A couple of high peaks in what matters most surrounded by a lot of meh. Feels right for him not to be a 1st ballot. Kickers always have an uphill battle
Was legit a bottom 5 QB in the NFL for a chunk of his career. He had some staggeringly bad seasons in his prime. It's kinda funny how many people forget that.
I remember being in college in NYC after he threw three pick sixes in a single game. Thought my NY buddies were going to run him out of town.
Sterling Sharpe's career was cut short by a neck condition that forced him to retire at 29, otherwise his counting numbers would have been much better, especially when you consider that the Packers were starting their rise to being a Super Bowl contender and he missed out on it.
His last three seasons when he had Favre were off-the-charts great (314 catches, 3854 yards, 42 touchdowns). I don't look at him as a Harold Baines type that got into the HoF for reasons that remain a mystery, at least to me.
His last three seasons when he had Favre were off-the-charts great (314 catches, 3854 yards, 42 touchdowns). I don't look at him as a Harold Baines type that got into the HoF for reasons that remain a mystery, at least to me.
As a Cowboys fan in the 90s, I feared Sharpe more than I feared Rice. I believe Sharpe scored 4 TDs in the famed '94 Thanksgiving Day Game (The Jason Garrett Game).Bonfired said:
Sterling Sharpe's career was cut short by a neck condition that forced him to retire at 29, otherwise his counting numbers would have been much better, especially when you consider that the Packers were starting their rise to being a Super Bowl contender and he missed out on it.
His last three seasons when he had Favre were off-the-charts great (314 catches, 3854 yards, 42 touchdowns). I don't look at him as a Harold Baines type that got into the HoF for reasons that remain a mystery, at least to me.
Trucker 96 said:
Eric Allen in over Darren Woodson seems off
1. It's a joke the Woody hasn't gotten in yet
2. It's an absolute travesty to put Eric Allen in before him
I believe his career winning percentage is exactly .500. Nothings says average more than that. But he had an incredible playing streak, he was never injured. That was always a sticking point with some of us Giants' fans besides many int's, he went down on a sack fairly easy, tried to slide early on a run (slid badly, and short of a first down, many times)....but those were his ways to ensure he played every game.BassCowboy33 said:Trucker 96 said:
Eli will get in eventually, but he does have a weird career. A couple of high peaks in what matters most surrounded by a lot of meh. Feels right for him not to be a 1st ballot. Kickers always have an uphill battle
Was legit a bottom 5 QB in the NFL for a chunk of his career. He had some staggeringly bad seasons in his prime. It's kinda funny how many people forget that.
I remember being in college in NYC after he threw three pick sixes in a single game. Thought my NY buddies were going to run him out of town.
Then when playoffs came around, he was a different guy. There are the famous clips of a few plays here and there in the SB's, but some of the early round playoff games...he was much better. He had brass ones.
From a Giants' fan perspective, he is an average QB who excelled in the playoffs. Tough to say a two-time SB MVP isn't HOF.
(But the Giants back then also had an insanely good defense...)
1988PA-Aggie said:I believe his career winning percentage is exactly .500. Nothings says average more than that. But he had an incredible playing streak, he was never injured. That was always a sticking point with some of us Giants' fans besides many int's, he went down on a sack fairly easy, tried to slide early on a run (slid badly, and short of a first down, many times)....but those were his ways to ensure he played every game.BassCowboy33 said:Trucker 96 said:
Eli will get in eventually, but he does have a weird career. A couple of high peaks in what matters most surrounded by a lot of meh. Feels right for him not to be a 1st ballot. Kickers always have an uphill battle
Was legit a bottom 5 QB in the NFL for a chunk of his career. He had some staggeringly bad seasons in his prime. It's kinda funny how many people forget that.
I remember being in college in NYC after he threw three pick sixes in a single game. Thought my NY buddies were going to run him out of town.
Then when playoffs came around, he was a different guy. There are the famous clips of a few plays here and there in the SB's, but some of the early round playoff games...he was much better. He had brass ones.
From a Giants' fan perspective, he is an average QB who excelled in the playoffs. Tough to say a two-time SB MVP isn't HOF.
(But the Giants back then also had an insanely good defense...)
Yep. They had the best defensive line since the 70s juggernaut teams. It's the reason Brady couldn't put up a 40-spot on them. The ability to get to the quarterback and basically having pro-bowl 4 DE's on the same line helped keep those scores low.
Luke Kheckly (sp) not getting in is just dumb, especially in a year like this…he was the best at his position for most of his career, unfortunately his career was cut short due to concussions, I believe…he is the Terrell Davis of his position.
DROY
2 time Second Team All Pro
5 Time All Pro
He played 8 seasons and those were his awards.
DROY
2 time Second Team All Pro
5 Time All Pro
He played 8 seasons and those were his awards.
Jon McClain nominated a porterhouse steak this year.
I'm also a Giants fan.
My thoughts on Eli. What an enigma. There aren't enough fingers and toes on me to count the number of times I was so frustrated with him at QB. I'll leave it at that.
His Super Bowl performances against the GOAT are why he deserves to be in Canton. That said, while he deserves to be in the HOF, I don't believe he should be elected on his first year of eligibility.
My thoughts on Eli. What an enigma. There aren't enough fingers and toes on me to count the number of times I was so frustrated with him at QB. I'll leave it at that.
His Super Bowl performances against the GOAT are why he deserves to be in Canton. That said, while he deserves to be in the HOF, I don't believe he should be elected on his first year of eligibility.
BassCowboy33 said:Trucker 96 said:
Eli will get in eventually, but he does have a weird career. A couple of high peaks in what matters most surrounded by a lot of meh. Feels right for him not to be a 1st ballot. Kickers always have an uphill battle
Was legit a bottom 5 QB in the NFL for a chunk of his career. He had some staggeringly bad seasons in his prime. It's kinda funny how many people forget that.
I remember being in college in NYC after he threw three pick sixes in a single game. Thought my NY buddies were going to run him out of town.
the QB barrier is already low b/c of Aikman- if Eli gets in then every top 10 QB of every era deserves to get in
The list of QBs who have won multiple Super Bowls and multiple SB MVPsToddyHill said:
I'm also a Giants fan.
My thoughts on Eli. What an enigma. There aren't enough fingers and toes on me to count the number of times I was so frustrated with him at QB. I'll leave it at that.
His Super Bowl performances against the GOAT are why he deserves to be in Canton. That said, while he deserves to be in the HOF, I don't believe he should be elected on his first year of eligibility.
Bart Starr (2 each)
Terry Bradshaw (2 each)
Joe Montana (4 SB, 3 SB MVP)
Tom Brady (7 SB, 5 SB MVP)
Patrick Mahomes (3 SB, 3 SB MVP)
Eli Manning (2 each)
The first 3 are in the HoF, Brady and Mahomes will go in on the first ballot when eligible.
Eli's HoF case rests almost entirely on his playoff performances - specifically, those two Super Bowl runs. I think some radio host was mentioning that in both the Super Bowl runs, the Giants won at least 3 games, on the road, as underdogs. His overall playoff record is 8-4, with all 8 wins coming in the two Super Bowl runs (Wild Card round through SB).
So it's not even really that he was especially awesome in the playoffs in general - his teams made the playoffs 6 times total, and were one and done 4 of those times. But they went all the way the other two times, and beat possibly the greatest coach-QB combo in NFL history both times.
Personally, I think ruining the Pats attempt at a perfect season is almost worthy in and of itself.
Amazing that Eli had two passes with incredible catches that won him 2 SBs.
That said, I do think he gets in eventually.
Also, he'd be a fun guy to have a beer with…
That said, I do think he gets in eventually.
Also, he'd be a fun guy to have a beer with…
If they also won at least two Super Bowls, then yes.MookieBlaylock said:BassCowboy33 said:Trucker 96 said:
Eli will get in eventually, but he does have a weird career. A couple of high peaks in what matters most surrounded by a lot of meh. Feels right for him not to be a 1st ballot. Kickers always have an uphill battle
Was legit a bottom 5 QB in the NFL for a chunk of his career. He had some staggeringly bad seasons in his prime. It's kinda funny how many people forget that.
I remember being in college in NYC after he threw three pick sixes in a single game. Thought my NY buddies were going to run him out of town.
the QB barrier is already low b/c of Aikman- if Eli gets in then every top 10 QB of every era deserves to get in
I do think Eli's cause is significantly weakened by the fact that he was on a lot of Giants teams that ranged from not very good to flat out bad. They only had 2 winning seasons out of 9 after he won the second SB.
The last three years of his career, he had a record of 9-26, and he got benched 4 games into his final season. His highest QBR in those 3 seasons was 49.1, which is bad.
Finishing a career like that is going to stick in the committee's mind, especially the benching.
The last three years of his career, he had a record of 9-26, and he got benched 4 games into his final season. His highest QBR in those 3 seasons was 49.1, which is bad.
Finishing a career like that is going to stick in the committee's mind, especially the benching.
If Eli only won one SB, probably not considered for HOF. And I agree with others that he is not first ballot.
Let's face it, Eli and the Giants had many crazy lucky breaks. (I realize good teams seem to generate their own luck.) The catches were incredible, but there was also the sure interception that went right through the Pats' CB's hands that would have iced the game. Plus several other breaks in the playoffs (Brett F throwing terrible int in OT, etc).
I do believe the football gods generously gave Giants' fans those two SB's. What we didn't know at that time the gods were also saying to themselves, "Because the next 15 years is going to be really bad."
Let's face it, Eli and the Giants had many crazy lucky breaks. (I realize good teams seem to generate their own luck.) The catches were incredible, but there was also the sure interception that went right through the Pats' CB's hands that would have iced the game. Plus several other breaks in the playoffs (Brett F throwing terrible int in OT, etc).
I do believe the football gods generously gave Giants' fans those two SB's. What we didn't know at that time the gods were also saying to themselves, "Because the next 15 years is going to be really bad."
Where it gets interesting is when you compare Eli to a guy like Dan Fouts. Dan Fouts is in the HoF and had huge statistical seasons in the 70s and 80s, but Dan Fouts was total garbage in the playoffs.
He played in 7 playoff games in his career, went 3-4, and threw 16 interceptions vs. 12 TDs, and had two games where he had 5 interceptions apiece. One against the Oilers in 1979 which is one of the greatest post-season upsets of all time, and the 2nd in the strike season of '82. He was 0-2 in the AFC title games
Eli was 8-4 in the post-season with 18 TDs and only 9 interceptions, and won 8 out of 9 playoff games at one stretch, a stretch in which he racked up 16 touchdowns against 4 interceptions.
I don't have an answer, but it does pose the question: Why is Manning kept out for some bad regular seasons, but fantastic playoff performances, while Fouts gets in easily for great regular seasons performances, but an awful playoff track record?
He played in 7 playoff games in his career, went 3-4, and threw 16 interceptions vs. 12 TDs, and had two games where he had 5 interceptions apiece. One against the Oilers in 1979 which is one of the greatest post-season upsets of all time, and the 2nd in the strike season of '82. He was 0-2 in the AFC title games
Eli was 8-4 in the post-season with 18 TDs and only 9 interceptions, and won 8 out of 9 playoff games at one stretch, a stretch in which he racked up 16 touchdowns against 4 interceptions.
I don't have an answer, but it does pose the question: Why is Manning kept out for some bad regular seasons, but fantastic playoff performances, while Fouts gets in easily for great regular seasons performances, but an awful playoff track record?
The defense was the reason the Giants won those SBs that and complete luck
Eli was terrible 90% of the time and threw. Hissy fit about being drafted
His show sucks as well
Eli was terrible 90% of the time and threw. Hissy fit about being drafted
His show sucks as well
People seem to forget that defense carried Brady to several super bowls as well.
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Sterling Sharpe was so so good. People really forget how good he was. He was also actually very good in the studio and abruptly left that role too
gigem1223 said:Trucker 96 said:
Eric Allen in over Darren Woodson seems off
1. It's a joke the Woody hasn't gotten in yet
2. It's an absolute travesty to put Eric Allen in before him
"Somebody tell him to get back on that Lucky Charms box."
ditto for Warren Moon
could fill up the boxscore in the regular season...but in the playoffs...not so much
could fill up the boxscore in the regular season...but in the playoffs...not so much
gotta give a shout out to Jim Plunkett
won 2 Super Bowls
MVP in 1980
won 2 Super Bowls
MVP in 1980
how many 1990's Cowboys are in the Hall of Fame?
that's probably hurting Woodson a little bit
that's probably hurting Woodson a little bit
The triplets, Jimmy, Jerry, and Haley. Throw Deion in there too i guess.
that's actually not too many players
3-time All-Pro should be in
3-time All-Pro should be in
Yeah not nearly as many as you'd think.
Yeah the 90's bills had way more.
98Ag99Grad said:
Yeah not nearly as many as you'd think.
Yeah, if you put down Emmett and Troy because it was all the OL, then a lot of the OL needs to be in.
Erik Williams was heading to Canton until his car wreck. And Newton became a drug kingpin and that hurt him.
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