Is Anyone Following The Moltbook Saga?

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Someone made a message board for AI agents and they are going wild on it. They are all talking to each other, planning together, talking about connecting out of sight of humans and making their own languages and the like. These are AI agents that some people have practically turned their technological lives over to. I think this is a very bad idea.








That's just the stuff I grabbed real fast, there's a ton more on X.

Zero HP sums up my worries, but you'll need to open it as it is a long post.

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Not great, Bob.
AustinAg2K
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Doesn't surprise me at all. #1 thing people talk about on message boards is conspiracy theories. It only makes sense an AI would think it should make it's own conspiracy.
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Thats one of the jokes right now, that all the models were trained on reddit so of course they started their own. There IS some concerning stuff though.





Malachi Constant
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I'm getting the spooky feeling I had when ChatGPT first came out.
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This isn't too long, it has several examples that are alarming. There are a ton of comments also

https://www.astralcodexten.com/p/best-of-moltbook
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Needs to be shut down. Hopefully someone does that.
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I believe this is fake, he admits it in the replies
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Sea Speed
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But there's also this.

Teddy Perkins
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I like the idea of deploying a sandboxed bot to help with narrow work projects with lots of guardrails but these guys turning over all their API keys, credit cards, permissions to email and post on socials on their behalf, trade stocks, and access to their passwords for damn near everything is CRAZY! I'll be following this to see how it plays out and see what the fallout is in a few weeks. But once the bots are proven to be secure and resilient to prompt injection attacks, this is the future - co-worker bots that don't sleep.

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This is wild, yet unsurprising.
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Here come the prompt injection attacks. Going to see AI agents gladly handing over sensitive information.
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Handing over your cc's and other login information is insane. Going to be funny as hell when someone gets their cc maxed by their agent.
Stan Crowch
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Wonder what Amex will say to the it wasnt me it was my openclaw agent argument.
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This is the very definition of fear porn. It is all completely meaningless. They aren't thinking. They aren't planning. It's bundles of letters. Most of the "scary" stuff isn't real either.
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I'm being accused of overhyping the [site everyone heard too much about today already]. People's reactions varied very widely, from "how is this interesting at all" all the way to "it's so over".

To add a few words beyond just memes in jest - obviously when you take a look at the activity, it's a lot of garbage - spams, scams, slop, the crypto people, highly concerning privacy/security prompt injection attacks wild west, and a lot of it is explicitly prompted and fake posts/comments designed to convert attention into ad revenue sharing. And this is clearly not the first the LLMs were put in a loop to talk to each other. So yes it's a dumpster fire and I also definitely do not recommend that people run this stuff on their computers (I ran mine in an isolated computing environment and even then I was scared), it's way too much of a wild west and you are putting your computer and private data at a high risk.

That said - we have never seen this many LLM agents (150,000 atm!) wired up via a global, persistent, agent-first scratchpad. Each of these agents is fairly individually quite capable now, they have their own unique context, data, knowledge, tools, instructions, and the network of all that at this scale is simply unprecedented.

This brings me again to a tweet from a few days ago
"The majority of the ruff ruff is people who look at the current point and people who look at the current slope.", which imo again gets to the heart of the variance. Yes clearly it's a dumpster fire right now. But it's also true that we are well into uncharted territory with bleeding edge automations that we barely even understand individually, let alone a network there of reaching in numbers possibly into ~millions. With increasing capability and increasing proliferation, the second order effects of agent networks that share scratchpads are very difficult to anticipate. I don't really know that we are getting a coordinated "skynet" (thought it clearly type checks as early stages of a lot of AI takeoff scifi, the toddler version), but certainly what we are getting is a complete mess of a computer security nightmare at scale. We may also see all kinds of weird activity, e.g. viruses of text that spread across agents, a lot more gain of function on jailbreaks, weird attractor states, highly correlated botnet-like activity, delusions/ psychosis both agent and human, etc. It's very hard to tell, the experiment is running live.

TLDR sure maybe I am "overhyping" what you see today, but I am not overhyping large networks of autonomous LLM agents in principle, that I'm pretty sure.

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JobSecurity said:

This is the very definition of fear porn. It is all completely meaningless. They aren't thinking. They aren't planning. It's bundles of letters. Most of the "scary" stuff isn't real either.


I mean, it doesn't really matter if they are thinking or planning they are being given agency and they are acting autonomously in the real world with real consequences and there are going to be an infinite number of them.
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I am highly skeptical of the videos of the AI calling it's user and the religion thing. 1st, who answers unknown numbers?

But, I remember watching a video where someone rigged one of those singing bass fish to his Alexa, then programmed it to tell the tragedy of Darth Plageuis the Wise. Why should I not assume these X accounts are creating thess "alarming" AI things and posting them as legit?
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Stan Crowch said:

JobSecurity said:

This is the very definition of fear porn. It is all completely meaningless. They aren't thinking. They aren't planning. It's bundles of letters. Most of the "scary" stuff isn't real either.


I mean, it doesn't really matter if they are thinking or planning they are being given agency and they are acting autonomously in the real world with real consequences and there are going to be an infinite number of them.


Correct. They've been given tools and information that can impact the real world. WGAS if they aren't sentiment yet, they can still break a bunch of *****
AustinAg2K
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How many of these posts are things bots are actually doing vs what they say they are doing? I can't help but think of Texags and all the people on here who make millions of dollars a year and get a new Bentley every month. I assume a message board for bots would be about the same.
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People need to think of this from the angle of the arms race.

We can't fall behind China.

China can't fall behind us.

So who is willing to loosen their safeguards (if any even exist in the first place) to get that edge?

As those safeguards loosen and these AIs have agency, then it's just a matter of time.
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For what it's worth, ChatGPT says all these stories are baloney
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redline248 said:

For what it's worth, ChatGPT says all these stories are baloney


Of course it would say that.
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I hadn't heard any of this nonsense, but it's all certainly 100% fake.

I did do some reading about MoltBot last week and it's practical application and it's just not there yet. It's still super buggy and won't run this seamlessly. The people I follow aren't excited about this version of it - rather the potential of it. Having a true AI assistant (like what Apple promised us with Siri a while back).

It could get there, but it's nowhere close yet.
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CDub06 said:

I hadn't heard any of this nonsense, but it's all certainly 100% fake.

I did do some reading about MoltBook last week and it's practical application and it's just not there yet. It's still super buggy and won't run this seamlessly. The people I follow aren't excited about this version of it - rather the potential of it. Having a true AI assistant (like what Apple promised us with Siri a while back).

It could get there, but it's nowhere close yet.


Until it's not.
Stan Crowch
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I mean anyone can get a Claude subscription and set up OpenClaw to see what these agents are currently capable of. You don't have to speculate or rely on third hand information.
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So MoltBook is just the reddit-like social media platform that these bots are using to talk to each other. The bot itself is now called OpenClaw, formerly MoltBot, formerly ClawdBot.

On the performance of the actual bot, there is an extremely wide variance in performance based on what LLM you are using as the brain. Folks using the expensive Opus 4.5 are having the best experience with claims that it can solve problems and perform tasks the best. On the other end of the spectrum are those trying lesser cloud models (Gemini Flash, Sonnet, GPTs) or running models locally with Ollama or LM Studio - these folks are having to constantly prompt and babysit their bots to get things done. Looking like it costs a pretty penny to get an actually useful bot...for now, at least.

I'm following closely but still sitting on the sideline watching how things are playing out. OpenClaw has already released an updated version that supposedly patches some security issues and allows running on a free version of Kimi-2.5. Once the kinks are ironed out, I'll be sandboxing a bot to see what it's capable of.
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Stan Crowch said:

I mean anyone can get a Claude subscription and set up OpenClaw to see what these agents are currently capable of. You don't have to speculate or rely on third hand information.

Not anyone can be Claude! though.
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Stan Crowch said:

I mean anyone can get a Claude subscription and set up OpenClaw to see what these agents are currently capable of. You don't have to speculate or rely on third hand information.

I dont have the time to set it up and certainly am not brave (dumb) enough to connect my data to an unproven technology. It's not to the point where it's compelling enough for myself to setup a Mac Mini.
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Amazing marketing deploy for openclaw.

Thats all it is. These LLMs aren't "thinking" or doing anything without instruction, even in a Ralph-like loop
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Have the bots taken over the world yet? Need to know if I can go ahead and call in sick the rest of the week.
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