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Ocelots in Texas

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oragator
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Watched a great PBS nature show on them, lots to learn and digest.
They used to range all the way up to Oklahoma, but habitat loss, measures to kill wolves and Mountain Lions etc made them bycatch, they are down to 2 small pockets in South Texas. One is a nature preserve, one is a private ranch. Known population is around 100, but they could exist on some of the mega ranches down there still, the owners are hesitant to participate with the feds out of fear of having regulations forced on them if they admit to having them.
The fear has been that with their proximity to the hurricane prone coast, and with inbreeding they could get wiped out. The push has been to try and create another population inland, maybe with Mexican stock.
Reading around after watching the doc, they have agreed to build a breeding facility at A&M Kingsville, in order to have a release on a ranch further inland, with safe harbor for the owners (as well as any adjacent owners that want to participate). I really hope if some of the other large land guys see this work that they jump in, it's a beautiful animal that isn't a big threat to ranchers stocks, we hopefully can find a place for them.

https://tpwd.texas.gov/newsmedia/releases/?req=20240405a
Gunny456
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Yes sir. Sure hope they can do something to save them. They were heavily trapped and hunted in the early 1900's up through the early 60's for their pelts. Really put the hurt on them as you said, from collateral damage from the poisoning, trapping and hunting of coyotes and lions and the red wolf.
Thanks for posting sir.
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Not in Texas, but 10 years ago before development took over Ambergris Caye, Belize; I was driving a golf cart down a trail and a beautiful Ocelot walked into the path , gave me a "what are you looking at" stare and sauntered into the brush. Still one of my very best wildlife encounters.
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The East Foundation is doing some great work to try and bring them back from the brink.
ttha_aggie_09
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When you say SE Texas, where are you referring to? My understanding is the only remaining Ocelots are in Deep South Texas and this article seems to confirm that based on the counties it is talking about. The SE part is confusing to me and just making sure I am not missing something.
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Naw that's me not really speaking properly on Texas geography probably. They are in Laguna Atascosa National Wildlife Refuge and a ranch not too far from there. I'll update the OP.
Gunny456
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I imagine! Many many years back TPWD had a live one in a cage at the San Antonio Rodeo/Livestock Show. I saw it as a kid. Must have been about mid 60's.
Only one I've ever seen alive.
You seeing that one must have been surreal for sure.
You are a blessed man! How cool.
ttha_aggie_09
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10-4. Sorry wasn't trying to be an ass but I actually had a conversation with a guy earlier this year that swore he had a picture of an Ocelot on his game camera but it was a bobcat. His lease was in East TX but really SE - somewhere east of Liberty I think. I was having a flashback to that thinking maybe he was right… I didn't say anything to him for the record.
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About 35 years ago I was walking down a senders and popped up over a rise to see what I think must have been an Ocelot sitting in that senders about 40 yds from me. Had distinctive spotted pattern and extremely long tail when it stood and wandered onto the brush.
This in NE Webb county very close to corner of Webb, LaSalle, and Dimmit counties. And yes, it's not something that you feel free to report. Kinda like Horned Toads and Kangaroo rats, we have them because of something we are doing correctly and don't care to have guv come to fix it when it ain't broke.
FunkyTownAg
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Deep in the Heart got some pretty great footage of some. I know some dont like Ben Masters political takes but he makes great outdoor documentaries in my opinion
Deerdude
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Yea he is friends with my son class of 10 and I donated large for his first film, and then he went full political.
Gunny456
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What has he done that is political? I only watched the first film.
Deerdude
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Travelled entire Mx border pushing the open border/no wall talking points.
Gunny456
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Holy Moly. Well I won't watch anymore. I didn't watch the one because I didn't want to hear M. Mc's t-sip voice.
Centerpole90
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This is a very educational episode of Meateater on the ocelot that features the East Foundation. I live in the epicenter of our (U.S., American) ocelot country and I learned a lot from this episode - primarily just how much brush cover is required to maintain a population for this reclusive animal. It takes some THICK ASS BRUSH for the ocelot to call home. It's kinda dated but worth a watch.


Gunny456
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Thanks for sharing.
Deerdude
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Yea where I saw it was just outside a strip about 200 yds wide that runs through the ranch with what was up until the 50's drought a flowing creek. Now the water is about 10-15' deep but supports live oak and Cedar Elm and thick native brush. One day I will set up all of my cameras along game trails and water sources just to see what may be roaming down in that thicket.
Gunny456
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That would be fun to see.
carl spacklers hat
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Deerdude said:

About 35 years ago I was walking down a senders and popped up over a rise to see what I think must have been an Ocelot sitting in that senders about 40 yds from me. Had distinctive spotted pattern and extremely long tail when it stood and wandered onto the brush.
This in NE Webb county very close to corner of Webb, LaSalle, and Dimmit counties. And yes, it's not something that you feel free to report. Kinda like Horned Toads and Kangaroo rats, we have them because of something we are doing correctly and don't care to have guv come to fix it when it ain't broke.
This is why the range is limited to LANWR and the East Ranch. Landowners don't want the headache, hassle, etc that would come from having a protected or endangered species on your property. The ocelot range is larger than two locations in Cameron and Willacy counties but a reticence (well-earned) to report sightings keeps the "official" range limited to these two tracts.
People think I'm an idiot or something, because all I do is cut lawns for a living.
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Gunny456 said:

That would be fun to see.


Probably would be but too thick to get in to.
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87Flyfisher said:

Not in Texas, but 10 years ago before development took over Ambergris Caye, Belize; I was driving a golf cart down a trail and a beautiful Ocelot walked into the path , gave me a "what are you looking at" stare and sauntered into the brush. Still one of my very best wildlife encounters.
Not quite 30 years ago I stood on the tarmac of the airport at Ambergris Caye and watched a coatimundi run around the backside of a building just outside the airport fenceline. Only time I ever saw one in the wild. Texas related because they used to have a family group of Coatis and an Ocelot at the Texas Zoo in Victoria. I believe the ocelot had been injured by somebody's dog when it was young.
Deerdude
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Saw a picture of a Coati on somebodies game cam a few years ago in south Texas. Pretty cool .
oragator
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By the way, they did break ground on that breeding facility last fall, so things are on track.

https://www.tamuk.edu/news/2024/10/Caesar-Kleberg-Wildlife-Research-Institute-breaks-ground-on-Ocelot-Conservation-Facility.html#:~:text=KINGSVILLE%20(Oct.,the%20Caesar%20Kleberg%20Wildlife%20Center.
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I worked at the Texas Zoo a lifetime ago. They did have an ocelot at the time as well as a coati the Education Director had "trained". She was doing a demonstration where people were shoulder to shoulder and let the coati walk on their shoulders. For some reason, when it got to me, it tore into my head. It had clawed my glasses as well (if I hadn't had them on, I'd of lost an eye). I went to the ER - it looked like a crime scene. Had blood all over my white shirt. She said she'd never have it out again. 3 weeks later she did; I quit on the spot.

I hate those m-effers.
I know a lot about a little, and a little about a lot.
txags92
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zooguy96 said:

I worked at the Texas Zoo a lifetime ago. They did have an ocelot at the time as well as a coati the Education Director had "trained". She was doing a demonstration where people were shoulder to shoulder and let the coati walk on their shoulders. For some reason, when it got to me, it tore into my head. It had clawed my glasses as well (if I hadn't had them on, I'd of lost an eye). I went to the ER - it looked like a crime scene. Had blood all over my white shirt. She said she'd never have it out again. 3 weeks later she did; I quit on the spot.

I hate those m-effers.
They had one before you were there that had lost a leg. It was amazing how well it could climb and jump around on just 3 legs. That one would walk on a leash and was super friendly. Back then they all knew the sound of the keepers' key rings when they came to open the door to feed them and if you walked up to the enclosure and shook your keys, they would go nuts running around and climbing everything looking for the bowls of food.
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95% sure saw one outside Pearsal when I was young in Highschool (early 2000s). Came back to camp and told everyone I had a bobcat with a long tail walk by. Didn't even cross my mind at that age. Looked at pictures later online and was certain I saw one.
RGV AG
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There was one killed in Hidalgo County, about 45 miles from the refuges and ranches where the populations are known to be. Supposedly it had some different or not seen DNA or something as compared to the other populations. In the early 00's I saw pictures of Ocelots taken in Hidalgo and Zapata counties and supposedly there has been some sightings in Starr. But as mentioned, there is some reluctance by smaller ranches to have a Fed protected species on the land. https://www.tpr.org/environment/2024-04-17/ocelot-killed-in-hidalgo-county-suggests-species-range-has-expanded

All the crime dust ups along the border and just off the border on the Mexican side has spurned a decrease in ranching and activity on many ranches, particularly in that corridor that leads to the mountains just south of Roma and Zapata, thus over the last 15 years or so they has been quite an increase in Bear, Jaguar, and Ocelot activity in that area, with Ocelots and Bears showing up more frequently both to the North and to the South, in urban Monterrey.

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