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The 40yd Bondi Shot

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foxfire
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Lots of comment on the LEO's shots taking down the Bondi shooters. " Barraza was filmed taking cover behind a tree and firing at the two suspects with nothing but a handgun from around 130 feet away."

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OK OB shooters how remarkable is this in reality? Assuming a 9mm Glock 17/19 with whatever cops in Aussieland load.
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Wasn't there an Austin cop who shot a guy from several hundred yards away one handed with a pistol while holding his horses reins with the other?
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Ive shot deer with open sights 5 1/2" barrel 44mag at 90 yards. Ive shot coyotes with open sights 45auto at 40 yards. Ive shot snakes with open sights 22 Buckmark at 20 yards.

People are big targets for good shooters.
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1990Hullaballoo
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I have in the past used my dad's police service revolver (S&W Mod 41 Hwy Patrolman .357 Mag) to hit a 10" disc at 50 yds 5 out of 6 shots multiple times and I don't consider myself anything extraordinary when shooting a pistol.

Guy made a good shot in trying conditions. Not sure I could do that in those conditions. Glad to hear some media putting out good news about our law enforcement. We don't get that enough these days.
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Ehh a 40yd shot is nothing special when shooting at a man size target, now add in the fact he may be shooting back at you and that complicates the situation.
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bmfvet said:

Wasn't there an Austin cop who shot a guy from several hundred yards away one handed with a pistol while holding his horses reins with the other?


It was about 100 yards and ricocheted off of a wall before hitting the guy. Pure luck but props for sending it.
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You have to remember too that you are shooting minute of man - any hit in this situation is going to count and most likely stop the assault. At the very least it is going to slow down or stop the assault long enough for you to close ground for a better shot or to get on the perp.

A 40 yard shot on a man sized target with the criteria of only needing a hit isn't difficult. In a sterile setting. In a situation like that, the difficulty factor amps up significantly for sure. But that is where training and practice come in also, and who knows how much of either those LEO's down under really get.
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It doesn't matter how hard or easy the shot is for someone else. If you carry a gun and you don't know how hard or easy it would be to hit a man sized target at 40 yards FOR YOU, you need to go try it. Seriously.

Needing to use your concealed pistol at 40 yards is rare, but certainly possible.

How far are the aisles in your grocery store? How far away was Eli Dickens from the loser he had to engage? 40y is a distance worth practicing at on occasion.
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It is incredibly easy with my Glock 19 Creedmoor
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Yeah, but then he'll run for a couple of hundred yards before he drops.
The last thing I want to do is hurt you. But, it's still on the list.
ttha_aggie_09
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And with no blood trail
GottaRide
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I know a cop who is a very accomplished shooter with advanced training. He was 1 out of 10 shots from slightly longer away than that with his pistol in a shooting, and that one hit was to an extremity. It's much harder to get hits on a moving target under extreme stress.
I Am A Critic
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This Texags where everyone shoots 1/100 MOA offhand with a SA revolver that only has a front sight.
Username checks out.
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Summarizing retired DEVGRU guy Andy Stumpf, someone said the shot would be difficult with a handgun, he said if you can't make the shot then move closer or flank them. And practice with your gear enough to be comfortable with a 40 yard shot, they were big targets.
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Off hand, difficult...I think he was able to rest against a tree (looking at the pictures). To me, this is similar to making a 300 yard rifle shot with a scope. Forgivable if you miss, impressive if you connect, but not an impossible feat.
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easy shot on a non-moving target. Really easy.

If it doesn't seem so it's because of a mental block.

I've had plenty of students consistently able to hit man size targets at 80 yards with an M9. So, longer sight radius but not a great trigger.

Again, this is with the target and the shooter not moving.
94 Killer
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Elijah Dicken folks.
agsalaska
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The article is kind of funny. Saying it was a 'remarkable feat' and 'shot of a lifetime'.

From 40 yards? With a service pistol and a rest?

Don't get me wrong. Dude is a legit hero. No doubt. Stress and shooting back at you and possibly a moving target and all of that. But the actual shot itself……
Animal Eight 84
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Hats off to the LEO going into harms way -and winning !

I took a Larry Vickers pistol class and at the end for fun we had a walk back competition. Three shots at a metal half-silhouette at 50,75,100, 125,150 yards. Eliminated if you missed. No race guns, mostly 9mm Glocks with upgraded iron sights.

A third of the class, about 10 regular guys, were hitting the half silhouette at 100 yards. I was amazed.

I rang the target at 100 yards, wearing glasses, late 50s, shooting a Walther PDP 9mm with Ameriglo sights, not target sights. I was guessing at holdover and missed after that.
Of course LAV shot it flawlessly all the way back, one handed, using his support side not his strong hand.

And I'm definitely no pistolero, just used basic pistol accuracy techniques LAV taught us.

Granted minimal adrenaline was flowing and no one shooting back.
Plus if you launch enough rounds some may connect.
BlueSmoke
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40yds under an ideal, calm situation is one thing. To make that shot when all h*ll is breaking loose, people are being killed, people running and screaming, and it's utter chaos in another.
foxfire
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The article is kind of funny. Saying it was a 'remarkable feat' and 'shot of a lifetime'.

Yep, the article makes it sound like a 1 shot 1 kill scenario. Takes some huevos to go into what is essentially a rifle fight with a handgun to start with. Add to that the chaos of the situation. I would think the LEO was pumping rounds down range as fast as he could get a good sight picture- we just don't know hao many rounds he used, but he connected with what 3?

It is a 'remarkable feat' in that he engaged.
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94 Killer said:

Elijah Dicken folks.

Dicken was 2 for 4 at 40 yards, 4-4 at 20, and 2-2 at 7.

That was in a crowded food court, with people moving between him and the bad guy.

https://www.usacarry.com/real-dicken-drill/
alvtimes
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the training that never happens….. lethal rounds flying your way.
BenderRodriguez
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alvtimes said:

the training that never happens….. lethal rounds flying your way.


Okay.

Which is why its worth practicing now. Because if you cant do it without the added pressure, you're not going to suddenly "rise to the occasion" as you're getting return fire.

Also why stress innoculation training like competition and force on force is useful.
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