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Advice for a small cattle operation setup

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chris1515
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I need some advice here on setting up a cattle operation, and yes we're talking some big-time ranching here…so no wise cracks

I've got 70 acres, that's mostly coastal and has been used for hay in the past with some grazing rotated in. Definitely not enough to consider it a ranch, so there's no need for that discussion!

We have a solar water well and are putting in a storage tank, there's no other water on the place. I want to run 2 inch line (probably pvc) about 1,500 feet to set up 3 troughs so we can rotate cattle through three areas. And if something happens to the well, we have three troughs of water on hand until we figure out what to do.

There's no corral currently. But, I'd probably buy some of the big portable pipe panels and build one. There's one cross fence that separates off 20 acres or so that's mostly coastal, but has some mesquites and weeds and wasn't been cut for hay in the past. Otherwise it's surrounded by excellent fences. And I'm thinking an electric fence (400 ft) could cross fence off the remainder, creating three separate pastures.

The idea is to put some cows on it and just run a few (10 cows and a bull?) and sell calves. That feels like the default option and not too big of a challenge. I'd rotate them around for grazing and probably get one cutting of hay to feed as needed and sell the surplus, or trade for the cutting and baling.

However, I'm kind of tempted to buy some heifer calves, 500 lbs or so, and grow them up and sell them as bred heifers and then repeat.
With the difficulty of finding young herd bulls, I also thought about doing that but with Bull calves.

Now, if I go that route, where to source the bulls/heifers? I'd probably just go to the sale barn and look for some calves that look good. If I went that route, I'd take them to a different place and vaccinate them and feed them for a couple weeks to make sure there no sale barn crud.

I'd love to find some purebred angus or Charolais breeder and get some of their "rejects" that would otherwise go to the sale barn, and pay them a good sale barn price and not anything special (is that a wild fantasy?).

I have someone that can keep an eye on things when I'm not there and is very experienced with all things farm and ranch, but I'd like this to be relatively low-touch.

What about the potential for cutting and baling and selling hay? How would you consider that? I'd be hiring that out.

This is some family land so there's no land cost. I figure I'd get a nice depreciation benefit on my taxes from some of this stuff, and over the long run a little cash flow. From an investment perspective, I think this could be a cash flow that's not correlated with the stock market, and with basically free land should be decent ROI but as long as it's not negative over the long run, I'm ok with that.

My question to y'all, is what would you do with this? Anything I've mentioned here sound like a red flag to you?
coolerguy12
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I don't think there is going to be much profit in running 10 cows. I could be wrong but the small operations I have been a part of barely break even and do it for tax breaks more than cash flow.

You will need a good working pen with a squeeze chute and a way to load in a trailer. Temporary panels sounds like a recipe for a really frustrating weekend.
Ag by Association
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Best advice I can give you is this.

Don't fall in love with your cattle.
Milwaukees Best Light
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Have you looked into bees?
GSS
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10 cows, plus a bull....if you're successful, (now plus 8-10 calves), overgrazing will happen quicker than you ever thought.
And a year around bull for 10 cows is seldom considered "good business", a rental/borrowed bull likely a better option...plus you may soon determine 5-6-7 cows, to be max. Especially if you plan the rotational grazing, and hopeful hay production. And the concern of all-too-often drought/dry years.

It's also unlikely you need to do plumbing with 2" pipe, 1" would probably work fine, the demand will be low, plenty of recovery time, for handling any flow loss.

It's great seeing those new calves hit the ground, but logistics on small(er) properties is real; a common suggestion is buy 300-400 lb calves, turn them into 600-700 lb calves, sell, rinse & repeat..minimal pens needed.
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shaynew1
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Try and buy you calves out of the country. Anything light that comes through the barn can be tough to keep alive and the learning curve is pretty steep.
TAMUallen
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Don't do it unless you're willing to put in far more time than you thought and also know it is the same as gambling. Hell, it's probably worse than gambling. Nature takes what nature wants and rarely pays double
Jbob04
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I would just go the hay route if it were me. Now is not the time to get into the cattle business.
HTownAg98
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With 70 acres, a cow/calf operation is one of the worse things you can do. Your place is an ideal situation for buying stockers and running them on grass for six months and selling them.
Max06
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HTownAg98 said:

With 70 acres, a cow/calf operation is one of the worse things you can do. Your place is an ideal situation for buying stockers and running them on grass for six months and selling them.


This is the way. If times get tight, send em down the road. Not the same as owning good cows you want to hang on to
chris1515
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Why do you say that?
From the perspective of profit potential or workload or something else?

I'm not disagreeing with you, just curious what logic got you there.

I appreciate all the feedback.
oscar9
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Weed killer and fertilizer goes a long way if it rains. Bermudagrass needs it more so than other grasses. That's a chunk of money if you fertilize 70 acres twice
Claytond1195
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IMO, your better option is buying some replacements and selling bred heifers over running cow calf. You'll be able to manage your grass and soil health better. With replacement heifers you don't have to buy a bull, unless you just want to. You can AI them (I can help you with that if you are near BCS) or lease a bull.

Cattle range and Facebook are good places to buy/sell heifers. Just gotta find a fairly uniform group and they will market well as breds.

With 70 acres, I wouldn't bank on baling it. I would just buy outside hay. You are already somewhat limited on land, cutting even 10 acres off would hurt your grazing a decent bit.

Mas89
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Do it if you're interested and have the time. Cattle sales all over this spring so go buy some young pairs and a bull. Or Bred heifers. Just make sure you brand them And put a numbered ear tag in Both ears. Get liability insurance for your ranch that also covers the cattle. You will find out soon enough if it's something you enjoy doing. Worse case senario you decide to sell out and lose some money. But don't delay doing something like this that you're interested in. You can work out the details as you go, but get started now.
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