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Let's just go ahead and get this thread started. Saw the value on my house and well....




Edit: You will have to search your property and then go inside the actual details to see the value breakdown. Check your land values cause apparently the CAD thinks my quarter acre lot in middle of nowhere Celina is worth a cool $175k.
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Just saw mine, woof.
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+30.4%

Land +28%
Improvement +31.8%
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Haven't seen mine yet. Please remind me of the 10% annual increase cap. Do I remember correctly that your taxes can only go up 10% per year? So in most cases, our taxes will go up 10% every year for the next five years or so?
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Hey Collin County,

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AW 1880 said:

Haven't seen mine yet. Please remind me of the 10% annual increase cap. Do I remember correctly that your taxes can only go up 10% per year? So in most cases, our taxes will go up 10% every year for the next five years or so?


Yes. There is market value and taxable value. Taxable value has things like homestead, etc built in.

Market value can fluctuate as needed.

That said, you are taxed against the taxable value.
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AW 1880 said:

Haven't seen mine yet. Please remind me of the 10% annual increase cap. Do I remember correctly that your taxes can only go up 10% per year? So in most cases, our taxes will go up 10% every year for the next five years or so?


That is correct. Values can go up whatever, but you only pay no more than 10% YOY on your taxes. So you can just expect constant increase of 10% every year till you catch up. Assuming the value doesn't keep going up crazy amounts per the CAD.
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Exception I've read on the 10% cap that have not been able to verify...if you haven't been appraised in 2 years you can get doubled up and take a 20% increase.

Can someone confirm if this is true?
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This is why it is important to fight every year. Say your home is 500k, it increased 30% in market this year, thus 650k. Taxable value is 550k Bc of homestead. 550 is what your tax bill is based on.

You fight and say you get market value lowered to 550k. Most people think they don't win but they do. Bc now you market value is 550k and next year when they look to bump another time, it's based on 550 and not 650.

Every year is a new year, and say the housing market collapses in another scenario next year, so no increase. So now you stay at 550 instead and no tax increase, instead of being stuck at the 650 where your taxable value can still increase 10%.
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24% here
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Exception I've read on the 10% cap that have not been able to verify...if you haven't been appraised in 2 years you can get doubled up and take a 20% increase.

Can someone confirm if this is true?


My county appraises every other year. Taxable value is still capped at 10% from what I have seen. My house doesn't get appraised until next year so I'm hoping this **** stops or at least slows down before then.
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Prosper .24 acres neighborhood lot

Market value up 34% each on land and improvement I'll take it as I win although I hate it.

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Leave appraised value as it is, but petition the tax authority to adjust the tax rate to inflation.

Anything above that is just legalized extortion.
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+26.7% but the "Homestead Cap Loss" brought it down to +8.5%

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This is absurd.

Live in Prosper, in a neighborhood, on .29 acres.

Land value increased 92%, improvement value increased 105%, total value increased 102%.

2020 increased 1% total from 2019 and 2021 increased 4% total from 2020.
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I'm clearly not a fan of paying more taxes, but I've never found the folks at Collin CAD difficult to deal with. I've gone in a few times over the past 17 years and they've been professional and courteous. They've helped me out and lowered my values in the informal meeting when presented with actual evidence.

I will not be going in this year to protest my large increase because there isn't any evidence to support a reduction. In fact, I think the recent comps in my neighborhood would suggest that they valued my house at least 15% below what I would even list at, much less what it would sell for. This in itself is a huge win worthy of me leaving them alone during protest time.

Thanks a lot Bidenflation!
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My .33 acre lot is worth $250k in prosper?! Wtf

Land value over 100% increase.

Improvement up 60%.

This is highway robbery.
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cadetjay02 said:

I'm clearly not a fan of paying more taxes, but I've never found the folks at Collin CAD difficult to deal with. I've gone in a few times over the past 17 years and they've been professional and courteous. They've helped me out and lowered my values in the informal meeting when presented with actual evidence.

I will not be going in this year to protest my large increase because there isn't any evidence to support a reduction. In fact, I think the recent comps in my neighborhood would suggest that they valued my house at least 15% below what I would even list at, much less what it would sell for. This in itself is a huge win worthy of me leaving them alone during protest time.

Thanks a lot Bidenflation!


I've had moderate success during informal protests but the whole process is a joke. The point of the exercise is supposed to determine what you'd get for you home on the open market on 1/1. They've told me multiple times that despite my valid evidence they can't reduce my value more than x%.

In 2019, I protested on the basis that the bigger homes behind my house (share a fence with them and the streets are all connected) on bigger lots and in a neighborhood with way more amenities were assessed at a lower rate. In fact, I had material from one of the model homes showing I could buy brand new for less than my assessment. Their argument was that since it was technically a different neighborhood, those comps were invalid. When I asked them if they thought a buyer wanting to live in my area would exclude those houses from consideration during their search, they said of course not. But when challenged as to why then I couldn't use them as a comp for value I was told it was against the rules. They gave me a slight reduction in value that I took.

In 2020, they didn't allow informal protests due to the wuhan flu. In January 1, I didn't have a roof. In fact I had no roof for a couple of months due to an incompetent roofer (a whole other story). Additionally, the homes on both sides of my house had sold in late 2019 for significantly less per sqft than my assessment. I uploaded sales data, photos from January 1 with no roof, a quick write up, and my insurance quote. They offered to reduce my value by $500. I went to the ARB but it was virtual. I presented my case that my value should be lower due to the two transactions on either side of me. Then you should subtract the cost of the roof repair because any buyer would either reduce their offer so they could repair it or require the seller to repair prior to closing. Either way, it would be a reduction in sales price. The CAD appraiser then said that they agreed with everything I said and would agree to meet me half way between their original valuation and what my proposed evidence based valuation was. When I asked why they were only meeting me half way when they agreed with everything I said, they responded that it's because the roof was being pod for with insurance proceeds so it doesn't really reduce the value of the home. The ARB said that sounded like a good compromise. When I protested that the source of funds was irrelevant, the exercise was about establishing market value the ARB stated that they agreed with me but I should be happy that the CAD agreed to meet in the middle so easily. They kept the middle value.

It's all BS.
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I read a nice tip from a former employee to wait until right before the deadline to file your protest. Would might get an easier chance at reduction. Said there's like 12 people processing all the 100,000 protests and it gets to be a drag.
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riverrataggie said:

This is why it is important to fight every year. Say your home is 500k, it increased 30% in market this year, thus 650k. Taxable value is 550k Bc of homestead. 550 is what your tax bill is based on.

You fight and say you get market value lowered to 550k. Most people think they don't win but they do. Bc now you market value is 550k and next year when they look to bump another time, it's based on 550 and not 650.

Every year is a new year, and say the housing market collapses in another scenario next year, so no increase. So now you stay at 550 instead and no tax increase, instead of being stuck at the 650 where your taxable value can still increase 10%.
I'm not sure I'm following your rationale. Maybe I'm misunderstanding you though. If your taxable this year was 550k and it was a result of the cap, that would imply your last years taxable was 500k, right? That also means the most your taxable can go up next year would be to 605k. If your market is 650k, but you protest and get it lowered to 550k, how does that help you again? I mean it does not alter the fact that next year the max the taxable can go up will be 605k. And that's true whether you protested or not.

As far as the year to year bump, that's not how this works. Increases or decreases are suppose to be based on current market data. They aren't looking at how much of a percentage can they raise it from the previous year to the next. The previous years value really has no bearing on what the value is today.
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31% ouch
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'Supposed to' and 'what they do' are two different things.

I was told by several tax attorneys in dallas to always try and make them start as low as possible and they definitely take into consideration % increase. Why you see the games on land value versus improvement value.

They punch you in the mouth you punch back. They don't punch you in the mouth you punch them in the mouth.
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riverrataggie said:

'Supposed to' and 'what they do' are two different things.

I was told by several tax attorneys in dallas to always try and make them start as low as possible and they definitely take into consideration % increase. Why you see the games on land value versus improvement value.

They punch you in the mouth you punch back. They don't punch you in the mouth you punch them in the mouth.
But that still doesn't explain how getting them to lower your market value to match your taxable value would potentially limit the next years increase. They are still dealing with the 10% HS cap. I mean, unless you think you can get them to lower your market to LESS than the taxable. And in this market, I don't see how that would remotely be possible.
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jtraggie99 said:

riverrataggie said:

'Supposed to' and 'what they do' are two different things.

I was told by several tax attorneys in dallas to always try and make them start as low as possible and they definitely take into consideration % increase. Why you see the games on land value versus improvement value.

They punch you in the mouth you punch back. They don't punch you in the mouth you punch them in the mouth.
But that still doesn't explain how getting them to lower your market value to match your taxable value would potentially limit the next years increase. They are still dealing with the 10% HS cap. I mean, unless you think you can get them to lower your market to LESS than the taxable. And in this market, I don't see how that would remotely be possible.


You can do what you want. But next year when they jump another 10% on taxable value because one lets the market value set in this year you are set up for 10% year on year increases till you reach the market value point.

I'd rather have the chance to fight them every year.

My point is yeah the 10% taxable increase will be hard to argue. But you can still do things now that improve your position in the future to lower your taxes.
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So I really have no experience in this. We bought our place in 2020 and our taxes actually went down in 2021 about 1%. This year however, we've had a 42% increase on total appraised value. Homestead exemption drops it back to 9%.

353K value on a .15 acre lot (almost definitely the smallest one in the neighborhood).

Improvement went up 46%.
Land went up 30%.

****ing government.
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wangus12 said:

So I really have no experience in this. We bought our place in 2020 and our taxes actually went down in 2021 about 1%. This year however, we've had a 42% increase on total appraised value. Homestead exemption drops it back to 9%.

353K value on a .15 acre lot (almost definitely the smallest one in the neighborhood).

Improvement went up 46%.
Land went up 30%.

****ing government.


How is it the governments fault? Have you seen home sales? I bought my house in McKinney in 2018 for 280k. When I refinanced my mortgage last summer, my appraisal came in at 386k. There have been multiple homes in my neighborhood with almost the exact same floor plan sale for over 400k within the last 9 months. There is currently one for sale right now, same floor plan as me, listed at 565k.

My appraisal from Collin CAD came in at 399k, and my taxable is at 332k with the HS cap. If anything, they have my market value low, which I am perfectly fine with.

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Quit using logic when formulating your argument. I tried to articulate that above but apparently I'm still supposed to protest to protect myself next year even though next year could introduce entirely new economic factors.
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cadetjay02 said:

Quit using logic when formulating your argument. I tried to articulate that above but apparently I'm still supposed to protest to protect myself next year even though next year could introduce entirely new economic factors.
I have no doubt in my mind that if Putin decides to drops a Nuke on 1/2/2023 and the entire world economy crumbles, that Collin or Dallas CAD would still be there trying to say I do owe more because technically my home's value on Jan 1st was $500K based on the market data to that point.

So if they want to get more revenue from me, that's fine. But I'm sure going to argue with them and make em work for it.
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How many times have you actually gone down to the CAD to protest? I think your understanding of "making them work" is inaccurate at best. You have to do all the work to convince them to change it since they have already done the "work" prior to sending you the initial valuation.
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jtraggie99 said:

wangus12 said:

So I really have no experience in this. We bought our place in 2020 and our taxes actually went down in 2021 about 1%. This year however, we've had a 42% increase on total appraised value. Homestead exemption drops it back to 9%.

353K value on a .15 acre lot (almost definitely the smallest one in the neighborhood).

Improvement went up 46%.
Land went up 30%.

****ing government.


How is it the governments fault? Have you seen home sales? I bought my house in McKinney in 2018 for 280k. When I refinanced my mortgage last summer, my appraisal came in at 386k. There have been multiple homes in my neighborhood with almost the exact same floor plan sale for over 400k within the last 9 months. There is currently one for sale right now, same floor plan as me, listed at 565k.

My appraisal from Collin CAD came in at 399k, and my taxable is at 332k with the HS cap. If anything, they have my market value low, which I am perfectly fine with.




I think he's saying it's the governments fault for inflation, which housing cost increases are making up a significant portion of inflation right now.

Property appreciation around here is absolute insanity is being driven, in my opinion, by federal and local government policy results.

Covid (inflation and supply chain), government policies (people fleeing liberal utopias that are on fire from BLM and Covid), etc. these are just a few to blame.

There's no reason other than outside forces that parcels of farm land 35 miles north of Dallas are going for $1mm an acre. And ****ty old 50 year old houses that were MAYBE $130/sqft 5-7 years ago are now going for over $300/sqft.

This isn't normal market appreciation.

And as tax payers, we're the ones footing the bill.
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We're footing the bill every year and that cost keeps growing.
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Red Pear DFW Luke said:

We're footing the bill every year and that cost keeps growing.
We need to move to a consumption tax vs. wealth tax. As much as I want to retire in Texas, it's going to become prohibitive unless you live on agricultural exempt land, which is becoming non-existent within 50 miles of decent healthcare facilities.
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I am up 26%. It has gotten to the point that I can barely pay this. The day my youngest graduates I am selling.
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ChoppinDs40 said:

Red Pear DFW Luke said:

We're footing the bill every year and that cost keeps growing.
We need to move to a consumption tax vs. wealth tax. As much as I want to retire in Texas, it's going to become prohibitive unless you live on agricultural exempt land, which is becoming non-existent within 50 miles of decent healthcare facilities.
Posted this before but Texas is already not a great place to retire from a purely financial standpoint once you factor all of the various tax breaks and other incentives and non-incentives when compared to other states....even some blue states.

This will certainly continue to drop it down the list.
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