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Ol Jock's Nov 25 Voting Guide!

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Early voting starts tomorrow in Texas, and with that, my I present (strictly for entertainment purposes).....Bill's Zesty Guide to the 17 (SEVENTEEN!!!!) Texas Constitutional Amendments…plus the Richardson ISD Bond.

Don't California my Texas they say?? Friends, we are voting on 17 Constitutional Amendments! Can we add one saying no one over the age of 75 can run for office? Oh well…here we go!

Prop 1…create a permanent endowment for Texas Tech Colleges. We need better vocational training, and this is a fair start. Support.

Prop 2…ban on Capital Gains taxes. The first fun one…we don't tax Capital Gains currently, and there are no plans to in the future. This one doesn't really bother me; I assume it will pass bigly. No recommendation.

Prop 3…Bail "reform". This measure seeks to make it harder to get bail in certain violent crime cases. While I am a big proponent of local control (SPOILER ALERT), we've definitely seen cases where people who didn't need bail got it. While a bit of a red meat measure, I'll support it.

Prop 4…Water Fund. Water is a going to a MAJOR issue in the future. This measure funds a proverbial drop in the bucket, but it is a start. Support.

Prop 5…Stop Year End Prop Tax on livestock feed. Wow, talk about a special interest case. But, feed isn't taxed at any stage of the supply chain, from production to consumption, EXCEPT if it is held as inventory at year end. I'm generally against special carveouts, but this one makes sense. Support.

Prop 6…Preemptively ban taxes on financial services. This measure ostensibly is to protect the growing securities trading industry in the Lone Star State. While I can't think of any taxes here I'd support, I'm not generally a fan of tying future hands when nothing is on the table that actually needs voting down. Let future legislatures (and their constituents) deal with it if needed. Decline.

Prop 7…property tax decrease for spouses of military who die of service related causes. I mean, can you really say no….but just remember, every one of these you vote for means your share goes up. No recommendation.

Prop 8…No Death Tax. Yet another preemptive measure. We don't have a Death Tax. We don't plan to have a death tax. Is this measure really necessary? Still, the death, or inheritance if you rather, tax is one of the worst ones out there in my mind. That money has already been subject to numerous taxes. Support.

Prop 9…Decrease the "property tax" of business assets. Ok, here is a REALLY fun one. So, background (and we talked about this some with Prop 5), at 12/31 of each year, businesses have to account for their assets on hand and pay property taxes on them to local municipalities and ISDs. This measure seeks to increase the amount of exempt value a business can claim, thus decreasing their property taxes.

"Bill, this sounds like a no brainer? What's the catch?" Well friends, the catch is that Austin is seeking to limit what your local government, and local school district, can tax. Giving Austin more control over your local community, where your vote matters most. I get that property taxes are high. I get that we want them lower. But is giving Austin MORE power over your community the way to accomplish that? Or is this just another step in consolidating power where we the people have little impact to influence it? Decline.

Prop 10…limit property tax on home destroyed by fire. This seems SUPER DUPY SPECIAL interest, but it also makes sense. If your home burns, paying full rack rate is pretty silly. Support.

Prop 11…raising the property tax exemption on older Texans. This measure is a guided missile on the supposed "don't tax grandma outta her house" issue. But…the valuation on grandma's house is frozen at age 65. Meaning this will be a permanent tax cut with no way to make up for it in the future, thus shifting the burden to those under 65. Decline.

Prop 12…changes to the State Commission on Judicial Conduct. This measure seems pretty minor…the State Commission on Judicial Conduct currently has 6 judges, 2 non-judge attorneys recommended by the state bar, and 5 non-attorney citizens. The proposal is 6 judges and 7 citizens. What gives? Is there a problem that needs addressing? All my cards on the table…I don't trust Austin. Without more evidence, I'm voting no. Decline.

Prop 13…increase the property tax exemption for school taxes. We can basically copy/paste my language from Prop 9 here. Austin is seeking to control more ISD funding, instead of your local district. Austin is promising to make the districts whole. Will they? How much do you know about Tim Dunn and the Wilkes brothers? Decline.

Prop 14…$3B to study dementia and other related elderly mental health concerns. Another fun one. Look, if we lived in a Texas with unlimited money, why not? But we don't. Go talk to your school board rep if you need more info on that. These diseases are awful, no question. But should they be a STATE priority? I don't think so. Decline.

Prop 15…enshrining parental rights. This measure is super brief. And has basically zero financial cost. It changes no current law. It codifies tons and tons of prior case law that say the parents have the right to raise their kids.

So why are we doing this? Per the DMN, Texas would be the first state to have such language in its constitution. So why? Unclear, but as any astute reader has gathered by now, I don't trust Austin. Decline.

Prop 16…only citizens can vote. RED MEAT ALERT!!! Guess what? That is already state and national law. Decline (but honestly, it doesn't matter, but I don't like red meat wins).

Prop 17…no property tax on border enforcement infrastructure. Another super specialized case, but should we really add incremental taxes to a property owner if the feds build a wall on their land? Support.
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RISD BOND!! Let's get local! RISD has a 3 part bond, requiring 3 separate votes. Let's look at them.

Prop A…$1.3B (with a b). This is the primary measure, and the primary part of it is to transition the 6 remaining junior highs (7-8th) into middle schools (6-8th). There are smaller infrastructure upgrades to virtually every other campus in the district. Look, this is pricey. But the moves are necessary, our current buildings are old, and construction costs are only moving in one direction. Support.

Prop B…$54MM. This measure is for general tech improvements across the district. While I am a big supporter of Jonathan Haidt and the minimal tech movement, this is more than just "ipads for kids". Support.

Prop C…$7.4MM. This measure is for improvements to the athletic facilities across the district. I applaud RISD on not trying to compete with our northern burb friends on building temples to sports. These improvements are modest, and many will be enjoyed by the broader community. Support.
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TL;DR
Prop 1…Yes
Prop 2…No recommendation
Prop 3…Yes
Prop 4…Yes
Prop 5…Yes
Prop 6…No
Prop 7…No recommendation
Prop 8…Yes
Prop 9…No
Prop 10…Yes
Prop 11…No
Prop 12…No
Prop 13…No
Prop 14…No
Prop 15…No
Prop 16…No (soft)
Prop 17…Yes

RISD Bond
Prop A…Yes
Prop B…Yes
Prop C…Yes
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Surely you're familiar with the current usage of the word "zesty" in modern vernacular.
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Quote:

Prop 13…increase the property tax exemption for school taxes. We can basically copy/paste my language from Prop 9 here. Austin is seeking to control more ISD funding, instead of your local district. Austin is promising to make the districts whole. Will they? How much do you know about Tim Dunn and the Wilkes brothers? Decline.

Please elaborate. I haven't seen this take yet and don't have background on it.

Are you saying that with exemption increase from 100K to 140K that Austin is going to fund schools the balance they would otherwise not get if this passes? Where would that balance come from?
Ol Jock 99
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suprafly03 said:

Surely you're familiar with the current usage of the word "zesty" in modern vernacular.

Ummm....no?
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Always enjoy this, thanks for pulling it together.
Ol Jock 99
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Quote:

Are you saying that with exemption increase from 100K to 140K that Austin is going to fund schools the balance they would otherwise not get if this passes? Where would that balance come from?


That is the "promise"...whether it happens is another matter. Based on recent experience, I'm doubtful.

School financing is so insanely completed. Leaving it up to constitutional amendments is crazy in my mind. We need our duly elected leaders to do their jobs. My $0.02.
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Ol Jock 99 said:

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Are you saying that with exemption increase from 100K to 140K that Austin is going to fund schools the balance they would otherwise not get if this passes? Where would that balance come from?


That is the "promise"...whether it happens is another matter. Based on recent experience, I'm doubtful.

School financing is so insanely completed. Leaving it up to constitutional amendments is crazy in my mind. We need our duly elected leaders to do their jobs. My $0.02.


Guess I'm just confused where they find this balance unless they plan to pull from the budget surplus (which I think we still have and that I would oppose them doing).
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Ol Jock 99 said:

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Are you saying that with exemption increase from 100K to 140K that Austin is going to fund schools the balance they would otherwise not get if this passes? Where would that balance come from?


That is the "promise"...whether it happens is another matter. Based on recent experience, I'm doubtful.

School financing is so insanely completed. Leaving it up to constitutional amendments is crazy in my mind. We need our duly elected leaders to do their jobs. My $0.02.

I don't trust this one at all.

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it wasnt that long ago that the jr highs fit 3 grades. Is it really a billion dollars to repeat history?
powerbelly
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Price is probably correct for this amount of work:
  • Apollo Junior High proposed renovations
  • Liberty Junior High proposed new building
  • Richardson North Junior High proposed renovations
  • Parkhill Junior High proposed new building
  • Richardson West Junior High View the Rebuild or Renovation Considerations
  • Westwood Junior High proposed new building
The 2021 Bond addressed Forest Meadow and Lake Highlands Middle Schools
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Regarding the RISD bond.

The total cost of the bond plus interest is $2.3 BILLION. With 36k students that's ~$64,000 per enrolled student.

The annual budget currently sits at $556 million ($115 million of that is paying off existing debt.) That is $16k per enrolled student.
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I don't live in RISD, but if I did I would vote no.
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Prop 15…enshrining parental rights. This measure is super brief. And has basically zero financial cost. It changes no current law. It codifies tons and tons of prior case law that say the parents have the right to raise their kids.

So why are we doing this? Per the DMN, Texas would be the first state to have such language in its constitution. So why? Unclear, but as any astute reader has gathered by now, I don't trust Austin. Decline.

I had assumed this was in relation to the transitioning of kids but, the League of Women Voters guide identifies it as an education issue.

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Explanation:
Parents have constitutional rights to make decisions for their children based on federal case laws. Because laws can change over time, including the rights of parents, the Texas Constitution would permanently establish the right of parents to raise and educate their children

Arguments For:
  • This proposition would clearly affirm the primary authority of parents over their children and would limit the power of the government to make decisions for children.
  • Th s proposition could establish that parents have the right to decide what values and ideas are taught to children in public schools.
  • Children are best raised and educated by parents who know each child's needs
Arguments Against:
  • If approved, this amendment could disrupt public school education due to parents trying to control curriculum and rules for all children based on their own beliefs and ideas.
  • The rights of parents are already established based on years of court decisions and numerous laws.
  • Elevating the rights of parents to the constitutional level could prevent necessary intervention to protect children from abuse and neglect.


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The total cost of the bond plus interest is $2.3 BILLION. With 36k students that's ~$64,000 per enrolled student.

I hear ya, but this is the largest construction project undertake in a long time. We have another member of this board I hope chimes in, but these buildings should last (with proper M&O of course) many years.
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As a parent who home schools one kid and has 3 in a Classical Hybrid (some campus, some home), something just feels off about this one. I don't like that the "why" question isn't answered.
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I would think that this top line of the Arguments Against is a big reason to not vote for it. Could end up causing major issues with curriculum.
  • If approved, this amendment could disrupt public school education due to parents trying to control curriculum and rules for all children based on their own beliefs and ideas.
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Most of these props reek of lobbying and red meat. The water fund and Tech endowment are the only ones that have some substance to them.

And enough with the property tax exemptions for businesses; if the franchise tax generated meaningful revenues I would be on board but as it is businesses get enough brakes, not to mention the tax exemptions that get handed out for relos, hiring, big capex projects, etc.
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Good info! And I agree with a lot of your reasoning.

Not sold on these RISD bonds yet though. My simpleton thoughts: Why are you increasing capacity when you just had to close four elementaries? And also: More screen time is bad, so I'm resistant to that one too. But a school board member said there's plans to decrease screen use in school. Guess we'll see.
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I agree with you about screen time. We are in Coppell ISD and have been happy with the balance through 2nd grade so far.

My wife has also started serving on a technology committee and I have been very happy with the discourse after one meeting. We will see.
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Thank you so much! This is only of my favorite threads every year!
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double aught said:

Good info! And I agree with a lot of your reasoning.

Not sold on these RISD bonds yet though. My simpleton thoughts: Why are you increasing capacity when you just had to close four elementaries? And also: More screen time is bad, so I'm resistant to that one too. But a school board member said there's plans to decrease screen use in school. Guess we'll see.


Pretty sure they just forecasted a 10% reduction in enrollment. Can't remember the time frame.
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They did not. Their demographer's report typically gets published in February.
harge57
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oldag941 said:

They did not. Their demographer's report typically gets published in February.


Just looked it was the last demographer report from last January. It is projecting a 9% decline.

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Ahhh. Gotcha. "Just forecasted". I wasn't thinking that meant 9 months ago.
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Early voting ends today.
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Yeah Rockwall tried for just under a billion last year. This year they're coming back for a 3rd of that but in a permanent tax increase. The documentation they put out initially said it would be $16mm a year and budgeted $10mm the first year on salary increases and $6 on one time infusions. The actual total because they used the wrong number for taxable home values. Now it's $20mm a year and I haven't seen any updated estimates on where the initial year $4mm and thereafter $10mm are going.

Strong no.
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I don't live in Rockwall but have friends that do. They supported it. Just curious your "no". Is it based on no new taxes? Changing the numbers based on the appraisal data? Lack of trust of district leadership? And if a "no", then what do you see happening the day after? What's a workable plan to pay the teachers in a timely manner?

I always respect a "no" position but am equally always interested in the why.
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I voted no on the risd bond measures for several reasons, one being the plan to tear up a three year old several million dollar baseball field at RHS to build the new West Junior High.

While said baseball field is torn up, there is no plan for where that team will practice or play home games for several seasons.

Some say just share with another close by high school (Pearce for example). Pearce already has practice first period for 9th grade and at the end of the day for JV and varsity. When is there time during the day to share the field?

1.3 billion dollars is a lot of money to send to a district that doesn't have a full plan in place. Why do all 6 junior highs need to rebuilt at once now. They did two a few years ago. Why not stagger the building process?

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  • Texas voters approved all 17 statewide propositions, including major issues like property tax relief and bail reform.
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NormanEH said:

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  • Texas voters approved all 17 statewide propositions, including major issues like property tax relief and bail reform.



Voter turnout was HIGH in my small burg yesterday. The poll workers were a bit shocked by it.

I think voter turnout was high for us because we have a local school tax increase on the ballot and people were showing up to vote on that only to discover there were 17 amendments to vote on as well which they never heard about. So then it took forever to vote because everyone was reading them for the first time.

Our local tax proposal failed, thankfully.
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NormanEH said:

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  • Texas voters approved all 17 statewide propositions, including major issues like property tax relief and bail reform.


I'm not sure why you would expect anything different.
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We had to about a 45 minute wait to vote in McKinney
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Looks like all of the State props passed by similar margins, shows you how much effort is put into reading them by most voters.

Richardson ISD $1.3B prop passed, Van Alstyne ISD $500M prop failed.

The special election for Texas Senate District 9 (basically northern half of Tarrant) is interesting. Kelly Hancock resigned earlier this year to take over State Comptroller after Glenn Hager left for A&M; so this was two conservatives John Huffman (former mayor of Southlake and Ag) and Leigh Wambsganss (COO of Patriot Mobile, look it up), and one Democrat, Taylor Rehmet. I live in the district and it was an ugly campaign between John and Leigh trying to get the conservative vote; funny thing is that the D came dangerously close to winning the outright vote while the two of them bickered (it was around 47.6% last time I checked).

John was blown out (16%) so Leigh (36%) and the D (48%) will have a runoff; this is supposed to be a safe red district that was redrawn in 2020 so it is kind of concerning that the race is even this close.
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Safe Red Districts aren't safe when they run dipsh**s. See what happened in Lake Highlands in 2018.
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