Need a vacation idea

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tamc91
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I'm taking the family on a driving tour from Dallas to southern CO and northern NM during July. Our current plan it to stay the first night in Amarillo. We want to get up the next morning and do some things around the area to wear the kids out before heading to NM. We will probably go out to Palo Duro early a.m. and do a little light hiking and maybe stop to see the Cadillac Ranch on the way out of town.

Kids are 6 and 8.

Any must sees or suggestions on kid friendly trails in Palo Duro?
CanyonAg77
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Not to sound too much like the Chamber of Commerce, but there are a couple of nice new motels in Canyon. Puts you off the Interstate and nearer to PD Canyon. Also puts you within a few blocks of the Panhandle Plains Historical Museum. If it's a hot day, PPHM is air-conditioned. Really one of the finest regional museums in the United States.

Most of the trails in PD Canyon are kid-friendly. Just have to go out and back, which is not bad. Take lots of water.

Frankly I would not waste my time with the Cadillac Ranch. Ten wrecked cars in a dirt field. Whoopee.

Where are you going in NM and CO? We have a daughter at USAFA and we've made that trip a bunch of times, so we have some suggestions for that area, too.

Come back with some specific questions, and I can probably be of more help.
BrazosBendHorn
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Concur with CanyonAg.
(disclosure - I grew up in Canyon.)

Two dependably nice and clean motels (Holiday Inn Express and a Best Western), both away from the main drag (and much quieter and better than staying in a motel on I-40 in Amarillo, IMHO). We usually stay at one or the other when we take out summer trips to New Mexico.

Cadillac Ranch: Caution - While you're checking out the upended Cadillacs out in the middle of the field, someone might be busting into your car while it's unattended. (This has been known to happen.)
CanyonAg77
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BBH-

You've been within 2-3 blocks of my house?

Scary.










And I didn't grow up here, came in 1994 (after a short stay in 1981-1983).
eric76
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While not what you are looking for, if you are anywhere in the area on July 18, you might want to head to Lipscomb, Texas.

http://naturallyyourstx.tripod.com/id17.htm
BrazosBendHorn
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quote:
scary


I'm sorely tempted to write BOO! on your driveway in orange chalk in the dead of night ... assuming I could puzzle out which residence on Foster lane is yours
J


BTW, I suppose by now they have opened the new Feldman's location on 23rd Street? (We usually eat there when we come through)
CanyonAg77
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There are a few alternate ways to get from point a to point b. If you have time, swing by Caprock Canyons State Park. It is much the same country as PD Canyon, but much less developed.

If you haven't been in the Caprock country, the drive from Silverton to Claude via 207 is quite scenic.

And as I said above, let me know where in NM and CO you are headed and I'll put in my $0.02.

As for PD Canyon itself, it really is great if you've never been. Regarding places to stay, there are some cabins in the park built by the CCC in the 1930s that have been re-opened. They fill up pretty fast, but go ahead and try to get in of the three up on the rim by the visitors center. Amazing views.

PDF Map of the Park

Otherwise, go early in the morning. If it's a hot day, it will be even hotter in the Canyon, as it is 800 feet lower and there is less air movement.

Take a lunch, as you are 12 miles from town and there is only one small store/snack bar in the canyon. Burn ban is currently lifted, so you can campfire/cookout, but that could change. Take lots of water, do the hat/sunscreen/layer thing. Wear old clothes and shoes because the red Permian muds on the canyon bottom WILL stain them for several washings. If you plan to be there after dark, take a windbreaker. At 3800 feet msl and dry, the nights will cool off a lot, unlike Dallas.

With the exception of the CCC trail starting at the visitor's center, most trails are pretty flat and easy for kids. There will always be drop-offs and cliffs, so don't let the kids completely run wild. Wildlife include deer, porcupine, beaver (rarely seen) and snakes, including rattlesnakes, so be aware.

After you pay in, go to the visitor's center at the rim for a good overview of the park. Look over the canyon from the area just above the center. Bring binoculars.

Take the steep drive on down to the canyon floor. Take the drive all the way to the bottom of the park and circle back. If the water's not too high, driving through the water crossing will thrill the kids.

Stop at one of the creek crossings and let the kids wade.

Pick a trail. The one all the way to the Lighthouse is an 11 mile round trip. There are erosional caves, I believe they are on the Capitol Peak trail. We like the Givins-Lowery trail, it circles up to a cliff bank above Palo Duro creek that's quite a nice view, and not too far (less than 2 miles) to the cliff and back, though the trail goes much farther.

If your kids have grown up in Dallas, make sure you stay until after dark. They will not believe the stars in the night sky.

There are often programs at the interpretive center. We happened upon a night when an astronomy club brought telescopes.

The kids are also the right age to appreciate the outdoor musical drama Texas, a hokey tale that sort of tells how the area was settled. There's a really good catered meal before the evening show in the outdoor amphitheater. Real horses on the stage, "thunderstorms", cowboys, etc. We went last summer for the first time in several years. It's fun for us because some of the actors are friends of our kids (including the "bad guy" ).


And again, if the weather is bad or you take an extra day, check out the museum in Canyon. Dinosaurs for the kids, a gun collection, antique cars, a pioneer village (indoors), the world's oldest production Ford car (serial #28). Even fashion and artsy-fartsy stuff if the wife is into that.


If you need some links to the attractions or motels, restaurant recommendations, etc. just post some questions and I'll try to get back.
CanyonAg77
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quote:
I'm sorely tempted to write BOO! on your driveway in orange chalk in the dead of night ... assuming I could puzzle out which residence on Foster lane is yours

Foster??? HAH! Close, but no cigar.

Feldman's has moved, and of all things, there is now a Chicken Express sharing their parking lot. It's right behind Fat Boys and the old KFC, which is now a Thai food place. People call it Kentucky Fried Thai.

How in the world did our little town end up with four Thai places and only one Mexican food place? Weird.

If the OP wants restaurant recs, we'll have to cooperate to let him know what's out there.

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CanyonAg77
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Hot air balloons in PD Canyon early in the morning. The canyon wall lit up to the right is the backdrop for the amphitheater.


CanyonAg77
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Rails to Trails near Caprock Canyons




Creek in Palo Duro Canyon State Park




PD Canyon on a rare foggy day



Caprock Canyons again



Overlook on highway 207 between Silverton and Claude




Same overlook, looking east instead of north



PD Canyon near sunset



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BrazosBendHorn
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My bad. I was always getting Foster and Taylor and Holman confused ...

What would have been funny would be if you had purchased our old house at 3300 Conner (assuming it had been on the market when you were looking to buy). Of course, since it has an orange brick veneer, I assume you would have dismissed it out of hand ...



LINK
(I haven't figured out how to post the Google maps image directly onto this message board, so the link will have to do ...

BTW, terrific pics of PD Canyon ...
tamc91
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Thanks for the info on hotels and places to go. We will probably need to get on the road around lunch time, so one of the short trails is probably about right. While CCSP looks nice, I'm not sure the timing will work. May have to try it out on a long weekend camping trip in the Spring.

While in CO, we are going to start by staying in Alamosa (my old home town) and ride the Cumbres-Toltec narrow gauge and visit the Sand dunes. Then off to Durango for some time in the mountains and Mesa Verde. I haven't settled on where to go in northern NM on the return trip. Probably one of the ruins and some light hiking / picnicking in the mountains. I use to live in Southern NM, but never spent much time in Northern parts. Any thoughts you have for NM are welcome.

Thanks again!
CanyonAg77
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Seriously, if you want to leave PD Canyon by noon, you're not going to be able to do much more than car tour.

Twelve miles out from the nearest town, about a 12 mile loop of driving into and out of the park at 20-30mph, and a couple of hops out and looks at the overlooks.

Still worth it, but your trail time will be very short. But if you're done by noon, you can mimic BBH and eat lunch at Feldman's. Or Fat Boys BBQ. Or Pepito's Mexican Food. Or Hil's Burger. Or Sukaroyman's (Thai/Laotion). I recommend them all highly.


In northern NM, lots of places. Santa Fe and Taos for the hippy-dippy stuff and incredibly old pueblos and churches.

Red River for a very touristy play ground, but again just about right for your kid's ages. The drive through the Cimmaron Canyon is very pretty.

Jemez Springs has some very scenic areas, and the newly opened Valles Caldera near there is amazing, though access is limited.

Do you go through Raton to Alamosa? If so, I assume you have been to Capulin volcano. And if you don't mind back roads, I'll tell you later about Johnson Mesa, but it's a secret, you can't tell anyone.

In SE Colorado, the drive from Trinidad to La Veita around the Spanish Peaks and through Cuchara is amazing.

If you go to COS, I might persuade my daughter to give you an insider's tour of The Blue Zoo.

I have yet to ride the Cumbres-Toltec, but the Silveton narrow gauge from Durango to Silverton is amazing.

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BrazosBendHorn
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Hey, Red River may be touristy, but we still love it. We like to rent a rustic cabin ( with an emphasis on "rustic" ) at River Ranch when we go there, located just outside of RR.

For recreation in the Taos area, we did a half-day raft trip a couple summers ago with Los Rios River Runners, and we're planning on doing a full day trip this summer when we go.
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no way, gotta go spray-paint a "whoop [insert class year]" at cadillac ranch
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Some of my photos from Palo Duro.











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tamc91
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It looks like things are coming together. We will probably be eating a late lunch (1 or 2pm) in Canyon or Amarillo. Which non-chain place (several mentioned above) would be the best for kids?

Also, in Northern NM, we will be staying near Taos for 2 days. One day we will be going rafting, but we are interested in the best ruins / pueblo within an hour drive of Taos (we decided not to go to Mesa Verde on this trip to reduce driving by about 7 hours). Any suggestions?

CanyonAg77 - we will be going to Raton and Capulin Volcano en route to Alamosa. I haven't been since I was a kid so I am not familiar with Johnson Mesa....what's the secret?

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WestTexasAg
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Eat lunch at Blue Sky in Amarillo. I-40 & Western.
Lekner XII
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Panhandle Plains Historical Museum is worth a stop. Since you'll be in Canyon anyway. Kids will like it - tons of kid friendly exhibits.
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Johnson Mesa is no secret and it is just about the most beautiful place on earth. I highly recommend driving through there.
CanyonAg77
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Blue Sky is a very good hamburger place. Get the cheese fries and you can feel your arteries clogging before you get the plate to the table.

If you want a sit-down restaurant in Canyon, Feldman's is probably the best for the kids. Good food, wide menu, lots of junk on the walls and model trains circling the ceiling. It's on the north end of town off of 23rd street, just across the street (North 2nd avenue) south of the United Supermarket.
CanyonAg77
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Johnson Mesa:

Yes, it probably really is not a secret, but we seldom see other people up there, and that's how we like it.
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From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Johnson Mesa is an 8609 foot (2624 meters) mesa in Colfax County in northeastern New Mexico just south of the Colorado border. The city of Raton is on the west and Folsom on the east.

The mesa is named after Lige Johnson who lived below the mesa but grazed his cattle on top of it. Grazing on top of mesas was a traditional practice throughout northern New Mexico, where some mesas to this day are known as potreros.

Structures on the mesa include the abandoned farming town of Bell (1880s-1933) and St. John's Methodist Episcopal Church, dating from 1898.

Natural features of the mesa include a few lakes, the two largest of which are Berry Lake and Bellisle Lake, and a large hill called Red Mountain. The Dry Cimarron River, which becomes the Cimarron River, has its beginning on the eastern side of the mesa.

The mesa is crossed east-west by New Mexico State Road 72, part of the Dry Cimarron State Scenic & Historic Byway

If you are in a hurry from Clayton to Raton, New Mexico, you take highway 64. Just pay a lot of attention to the ridiculously low speed limits as you drive through Clayton. The limits are for revenue generation, not safety.

But if you like narrow, twisty, two-lane roads, and amazing scenery, take an hour or so to take the 45 mile diversion across Johnson Mesa.

If you've done the Raton-Clayton trip on highway 64, you'll notice the mesa just north of the highway. That is Johnson Mesa.

Stop for a bathroom break at the rest area about 5 miles south of Des Moines, NM. Impress your kids with your gelogy knowledge as you point out a shield volcano (Sierra Grande) just west of the rest stop. Then, as you pass through Des Moines, look for highway 72/325 to Folsom. Turn right and follow the road to Folsom. Pass the cinder cone where they are mining bright red volcanic cinders and the winding railroad track where Black Jack Ketchum robbed trains.

Go through Folsom, an almost-ghost town that survived the 1908 flood that came off of Johnson Mesa. Turn right at the museum, then look for a very quick left in about 100 yards to take 72 across Johnson Mesa.

We've never stopped at the museum, but we'd like to. If you are stopping at Capulin, go north from the Capulin volcano on 325 to Folsom.

Some other time when you have time, take 456 north out of Folsom a few miles and visit Folsom Falls, and go a little further north to see the beautiful valley of the Dry Cimmaron. You can even take 551 through Tollgate Canyon, where a local built a road, blocked off the pass and collected money from cattle herds being driven through. 551 leads on through to Branson, Colorado, and you can take US 160 on to Trinidad, Colorado, a good, but desolate road.

I'm not sure exactly where, but parts of the Dry Cimmaron were part of the "Cimmaron Cutoff" of the Santa Fe Trail.

But back to highway 72 across Johnson Mesa. As I said before, it is narrow, has sharp drop-offs and winds around. You have to be alert and the driver may have to stop to enjoy the scenery and avoid driving off the road.

The mesa has overlooks south into New Mexico, and north into Colorado. If you know what you're looking for, evidence of lava flows is visible, and to the south you can see Capulin and many other cinder cones.

Somewhere to your left as you climb to the top of the mesa is the site where the Folsom point was discovered by a black cowboy who was the self-educated son of slaves.

To your right will be a dirt road through Trincheras Pass to Trincheras, Colorado. This is the path Charles Goodnight took when taking his cattle to his grazing lands near Trinidad. Old Charlie was NOT going to pay a toll.

As you break out on top, the trees suddenly disappear and you are in the middle of a vast grassland. There are a lot of rock cairns used as corner posts for the barbed wire fences. The bluebirds love these, so watch for them.

In the middle of the mesa is an interesting 1898 Church. It has been open when we've been through, and there are some porta-potties in the parking lot if the kids are desperate.

You let down on the other side of the mesa through more wooded country, and you have a stop sign where 72 meets the road to Sugarite Canyon (another place we haven't been, but plan to visit). Turn left and you'll end up at I-25, about a mile north of where highway 64 intersects I-25. You can head on north across Raton Pass, or backtrack south a mile to gas stations and food.

Edited because the links weren't working.

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CanyonAg77
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In Colorado, do you cut off I-25 at Walsenberg to Alamosa? If so, you miss another great backroad.

The prettiest drive in SE Colorado has to be to exit on highway 12 at Trinidad through Weston, Stonewall (and the Stonewall gap) on through Monument Park, and around the Spanish Peaks to Cuchara, meeting highway 160 at La Veta.

The first few miles are pretty bland, and you pass some old coal mines, so it is pretty industrial, but hang in there.

Read up on volcanic dikes so you can explain to your kids what those amazing vertical rock formations are. The stonewall gap is not volcanic, by the way, but it is pretty cool to drive through a 40 foot gap in a natural sandstone wall.

There's a pretty fancy restaurant in the middle of the tiny town of Cuchara.
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whoop for canyon

grew up there graduated in 2004

you will have a great time, i wish i could be back there right now!
CanyonAg77
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If you are going to be here Saturday the 18th, they are having a "Star " program from 9-10pm in the Juniper Camping area at PD Park.

Don't know if they'll have telescopes out, but they have in the past.
Nixter
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If you are going to Colorado, you should really, really, really take HWY 165 from Colorado City/Rye off of I-25 over to Westcliffe. Lake Isabel, Bishop's Castle, and the views of the Sangres into Westcliffe are outstanding.

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