Temple vs. Elgin
Belton vs. Harker Heights
Shoemaker @ Killeen
Ellison vs. Midway
Waco vs. University
Cameron Yoe vs. Academy
China Spring vs. Gatesville
Troy @ Lago Vista
Salado @ Smithville
Rogers vs. Jarrell
Lorena @ Fairfield
Robinson vs. LaVega
Holland @ Reisel

Belton/Heights winner advances

Loser sits

12-6A D1 reps will be Shoemaker and Belton/Heights winner
12-6A D2 reps will be Midway and Cove

Temple
Harker Heights
Killeen
Midway
Waco
Cameron Yoe
China Spring
Lago Vista
Smithville
Rogers
Fairfield
Robinson
Holland

Surprise of the season IMO is Academy going to Yoe this week playing for the District championship. I don't think anyone had Academy originally in the top four in this district. Kudos to them for a fine season so far.

I'll go with all of your picks except I think Shoemaker will beat Killeen

And I'll take Belton over Heights, but with VERY low confidence

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I'll go with all of your picks except I think Shoemaker will beat Killeen

And I'll take Belton over Heights, but with VERY low confidence

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Neither would surprise me. Probably went a little more with historical data on these two picks thank current play.

I would like to see Rogers play Academy again at this point in the season.

Nah. Academy already beat them once. Doing it again would just be a waste of everybody's time...

at the time they played, the rogers coach was still trying to do his offense, not revert back to the run that rogers has since went back to. I just would like to see that game be played. seems like both teams kinda found their offense when district started.

waste of everybodys time....

Belton 28, Heights 21 - Half

Almost end of 3, Rogers up on Jarrell 35-7

Refs never showed tonight in Riesel. Game with Holland cancelled.....way ta go Waco chapter officials.

Rogers got the win last night 47-13.

You gotta be kidding

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Refs never showed tonight in Riesel. Game with Holland cancelled.....way ta go Waco chapter officials.

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that SUCKS

12-6A Bi-District games:

Belton vs. Garland - 11/15 @ 3:30pm
Midway vs. Tyler Lee - 11/14 @ 7:30pm
Cove vs. Rockwall - 11/15 @ Noon
Shoemaker vs Rowlett - 11/15 @ 7:30pm

All games at McLane in Waco

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12-6A Bi-District games:

Belton vs. Garland - 11/15 @ 3:30pm
Midway vs. Tyler Lee - 11/14 @ 7:30pm
Cove vs. Rockwall - 11/15 @ Noon
Shoemaker vs Rowlett - 11/15 @ 7:30pm

All games at McLane in Waco

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CHARLES!!!

Its not the Waco chapters fault. They send an email on Mondays confirming officials. If you dont get the email, you call and find out why. Riesel AD dropped the ball not the officials

Who sends an email confirming officials? The Chapter is supposed to send the email to the athletic director confirming the officials' assignment?

What exactly happened and how did the Reisel AD drop the ball?

The Chapter sends an email saying that officials are coming. If you don't get one, you (the AD) call and find out why. You also receive a list at the beginning of the year. In the past, every AD i have worked with calls and verifies the officials on Tuesday or Wednesday. With the new system, it makes it easier. You get an email you have officials scheduled. If you don't, then no officials are assigned. Holland would have beaten Riesel as bad as they wanted to, but it stinks the kids didn't get to play because of error and that person still wont admit to it.

According to KWTX, it was the officials who failed to download the correct schedule

I assume the Waco Chapter was put on notice weeks, if not months in advance that the Waco chapter would be used for the Riesel vs. Holland Game

So they knew they had the game

However, when making out the schedule, the Chapter apparently failed to assign officials to the Riesel vs. Holland game

But it's the AD's fault because he didn't affirmatively point out the Chapter's screw-up?

Is that about right?

EDIT -- was the Reisel vs Holland game omitted from the list that was passed out at the beginning if the year?

LawCC,

Why didn't the Chapter assign officials to the game in the first place?

Is there a Playoff Thread? Rogers playing Blooming Grove tommorrow night (7:30) at Waco ISD Sports Complex.

Pablo,

Here is the way it works.
1. I send a schedule of my home games that I want Waco to officiate. (or to whichever chapter you want, you get to choose most of the time per district rules)
2. They send a letter and/or email confirming what games of mine they are coming to.
3. They send a weekly email to coaches to confirm the games. If the coach doesn't get the email, you have no officials and should call.
4. Its not the Chapters responsibility to make sure you sent the correct schedule.


As for KWTX, who knows?? All they talked to were kids and maybe someone from Riesel Admin or coach. (although none of them are interviewed) You notice there was no response from Waco Chapter of Officials. My guess is that they got the information from those kids interviewed who are hearing what the coaches told them. Notice they are trying not blame the officials, but do any way. It takes ONE phone call to confirm the officials. And that didnt happen.. No matter the blame, it sucks for those kids.

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4. Its not the Chapters responsibility to make sure you sent the correct schedule.

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OK. So the school sent out the wrong schedule, and therefore never notified the Waco Chapter that it would be needed to work the game?

If that's the case, then yes, it is most definitely the school's fault

However, if the Chapter DID get notice that they would be needed, but subsequently failed to assign officials, then that is the Chapter's fault, regardless of whether the AD did or did not call to notify the Chapter that the Chapter failed to assign officials to a game that the Chapter had been previously told it would cover

Should the AD follow up? Of course.. But it most certainly is not the AD's fault if officials were never assigned to work a game that the chapter knew, or had been previously notified, that it was to cover

Kylereed

I'll try to post a thread. Max preps didn't have their schedules updated and I haven't had time to look each school up individually.

Cool, I just went to UIL site with brackets tool look at Rogers.

What are the list of teams around that made it?

CP,

I understand what you are saying, however, there are 2 opportunities for the error to be caught by the coach. (assuming the Chapter left it off even after receiving it).

The first chance was when a confirmation letter and email was sent to all coaches with their home games on it at the beginning of the year. You typically have 5 game at home so its pretty easy to check.

Second chance was when no email was received on the week of the game.

That's why there are safeguards in place. If the Chapter missed a game (which has happened, its a lot of games to coordinate), then you as a coach fix it. and you have the opportunity to fix it again the week of the game. That is how it works in Texas Football. Every chapter has the same procedures for the most part. Its up the coaches to verify. Its pretty simple. I've coached 15 years and never heard of this happening on the high school level.

It would be an entirely different story if the confirmation email had been sent and no one showed. Then it is most assuredly the Chapter's fault. But seeing as they never had it scheduled...... The blame falls on the coach. There are other coaches on here from time to time, and every coach in the Centex is saying the same thing, the AD dropped the ball.

I FULLY understand the procedure you are describing

But I gather the Chapter WAS IN FACT notified that they were chosen for the game

And the Chapter IN FACT failed to assign officials to the game

The AD may be guilty of not following up, but that does NOT absolve the Chapter of its responsibility to assign officials when it's been notified the officials are needed

Not trying to be difficult, but you acknowledge that an error was in fact committed by the chapter -- it didn't assign officials to a game it was scheduled to work

That's the Chapter's fault

I assume you are a lawyer

If you sign on to a case, get a court date, and fail to show up, is it the Court's fault because it didn't double check to make sure you didn't screw up and forget to put it on your calendar?

No im not a lawyer. It stands for Law Hall Crew Chief. I'm a coach and teacher. You are not understanding that Chapters are not assigned anything. They choose to accept games. Now they almost always are willing to accept any game, but no one can (except the UIL) assign officials.

We do not know if the officials were even sent the correct schedule. But lets assume they were and it was oversight that no officials were assigned by the Chapter. It now becomes the ADs responsibility to find out why. He had 2 opportunities to do this and did not.

Your lawyer example proves my point, If im a lawyer on a case, I double check the dates and confirm. The court also sends a letter confirming. If i don't get a letter, I'm calling them to find out why!

Chapters have been known not to accept certain games because of past problems with schools. Thats why a letter an email are sent and that's why you confirm.

I know chapters aren't assigned

The schools (or district) chooses what chapter works a game. If a school requests the chapter work a game, the chapter works the game, or declines

OFFICIALS are then assigned to the game, which is usually done in one of 2 ways -- coaches pick, or the chapter assigns the crew or officials

In this case, from what I gather, the school DID request the chapter to work the game

The chapter failed to assign officials even though it was notified by the school that the chapter was to be used

The AD was supposed to confirm which he did not

The AD is guilty of not following up

But you are wholly ignoring the fact that the chapter did not assign officials to a game it was notified it would be needed to work in the first place

Unless you are saying the chapter was notified, declined to work the game, but never bothered to tell the school of the declination. SURELY you are not saying that is what happened

Anyway, what you are implying (since you refuse to acknowledge the error on the part of the chapter) is that yeah, the chapter screwed up, even screwed up first, causing all of the rest to be set in motion

But the chapter's screw up is now erased because the school didn't follow up

I can agree that both parties screwed up, but to say the chapter is free from fault is ridiculous when it was their error that started it all in the first place

Was the chapter, or was the chapter not notified by Reisel that the chapter would be needed to work the game?

If the answer is yes, then the chapter bares some, if not most, of the responsibility for the cancellation

As for the court example, the court will send a notice of setting to the lawyer or party. But they sure as hell aren't going to subsequently contact you to make sure you put it on your calendar. The first written notice is the usually the last. You don't put it on your calendar, too bad. You got notice. Your job to put it on the calendar

Wow.. I will try and type slower Pablo...

Each and every High School Football team in Texas is responsible for securing officials for their home games. If they do NOT receive confirmation that the officials are secured, THEY HAVE NO OFFICIALS.
Therefore; it is the responsibility of those teams (that have not had conformation) to make sure they have officials by calling, emailing, signal fire, or whatever means available to make sure they have officials.


Here is a better example than you are using:
A secretary calls a restaurant to order 500 dinners for the office Christmas Party. (a Coach sends a schedule)

a machine picks up stating business hours and to NOT leave catering orders on the machine.

She leaves a message saying she needs 500 meals for Dec. 20 at 5pm. (nothing is confirmed)

Dec 20th 5pm arrives, and there is no food and she blames the restaurant for not checking their machine

(Same as you blaming officials for not having anything down)

I never said the Chapter wasnt to blame somewhat because I dont know what they received. I do know what the procedure is and who would be to blame if it happened. The simple fact is: Had the AD called when he never received the email on Monday, It would have been corrected and the kids would have been able to play. So In my mind, as well as the minds of anyone in coaching, he is to blame.