letting my buddy use my old truck for a year

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Wanting to keep my old truck to let my daughter use in 1.5 years when she gets her license.

Friend wants to wait a year to buy a new car.

I would be fine letting my responsible friend use it for the year to get it out of my driveway and give him the Maintenance and insurance cost.

Options considered so far….

1. Sell it to him cheap below KBB with a promise to buy back around same KBB price the next year. He takes full possession and all responsibility for the year.

2. Gift to him with him gifting back to me?

3. Add him to my insurance and have him pay full coverage plus a little extra per month while I keep the title and control of it.

Any other thoughts? Anything I'm not considering mainly for liability purposes?

Thanks
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Don't do 3. You want to be involved in a lawsuit if he has a car accident?

On 1 and 2 will your friendship survive if for some reason the vehicle gets totaled. Or what happens when the motor or transmission falls?
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I'm having a problem with "responsible" friend. Don't know him and not judging but assuming he's an adult let him buy an interim vehicle before he's ready to buy new. I'm not seeing any upside for you. In a year it's got more miles and wear and tear before you put your daughter on the road in it.
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What's the approximate value and what does your daughter want to drive? I'd sell it outright and go car shopping with her when she's ready unless she's absolutely in love with your truck.

Too many things can go sideways with option 1 and 2. It 100% will cost you money and could cost a friendship. Your friend is obviously struggling financially and if something happens to the truck, he's even deeper in a hole to you and then your at square 1 with the daughter needing a vehicle
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"Responsible friend" means just that. Imagine your most trusting annoyingly perfect friend or family member. More responsible than me. Married and his oldest is turning 16 this month so was going to buy a new car and give his old one to the kid to drive. So not worried about him screwing me. Hopefully you know someone like that.

I mentioned it to him. He would use it just to go back and forth to work about 15 miles round trip a day. He was going to buy a new one but was thinking about waiting a year until rates and prices are better.

Options considered 1 would be my preference. If he totals it it's on him but I still have the KBB value to buy a car if needed.

The only stipulation would be for him to have full coverage on it if I give him a discount. And would trust him to make it right if something were to happen.

The truck is a 2016 f150. I got a new truck last month but still have some time before my daughter drives.
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He's responsible but needs to wait for lower prices and lower rates to buy a car?

My definition of responsible is buy what you can afford. With a 15 mile round trip he has tons of options. There's no guarantee rates and prices are coming down in the next 18 months. Government spending isn't slowing down, Tarriffs may be in play, etc.
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Surprised how jaded everyone here is. I guess years of being let down by the football team will do that.

I would have no problem with option 3 in this scenario. Sounds like it was your idea to begin with so not like he is trying it screw you over.

If you're going to switch the title to his name then you're paying sales tax on it each time you switch even if you gift it unless you're willing to sign an affidavit that you are related to him. That's just pissing money away.
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Grown man should buy his own truck.
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Following as I've been pondering something similar for the future. Please keep us posted and how it turns out.

I have not looked into any "legal" possibilities, but was thinking something simple like drawing up paperwork for a 12-18 month rental agreement for $X/month. They're responsible for getting insurance (so they wouldn't be tied to mine if something happens resulting in rates increasing) if that's possible? This would be for a vehicle I want to keep forever so included in the monthly payment, it accounts for oil changes and tire rotations that would be documented to do at the local shop.
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I need to borrow your car.

A responsible friend wouldn't put you in this situation. This sounds like a bad credit situation to me. I'm not jaded by football but decades in banking throw up huge red flags here.
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I wouldn't do anything paperwork wise. If anything happens and he is that trustworthy, then he had to "borrow your truck to make a Home Depot run". Maybe he Venmo's you $100/month for insurance
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I'm so responsible that I would never in a million years propose a deal like this to a friend
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jja79 said:

I need to borrow your car.

A responsible friend wouldn't put you in this situation. This sounds like a bad credit situation to me. I'm not jaded by football but decades in banking throw up huge red flags here.


Help yourself. You need the jeep truck or excursion? I guess you can borrow the minivan too but it sucks the life out of you.

All my stuff is on loan from the God in heaven and I don't get to take it with me to give it back to him when I go. It's just stuff. Don't mind helping out a buddy when they need it.
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a07nathanb said:

Don't do 3. You want to be involved in a lawsuit if he has a car accident?

On 1 and 2 will your friendship survive if for some reason the vehicle gets totaled. Or what happens when the motor or transmission falls?
This... accidents happen and people get sued. If it is any way still in your name or covered by your insurance, they will sue you. Doing this is a dumb risk to take that could cause your own financial ruin.

Kids want their own choice of cars, so just sell him the truck at a fair price and stick your money in some sort of interest earning account and go car shopping with daughter in 18 months. It'll be fun for you and her. And your buddy gets himself a tide him over truck at a "friend" price. Everyone wins.
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I let friends borrow my truck as often as they need it, but not for more than a few days at a time. If I were you, OP, I'd pay for a simple rental/lease agreement between private parties and be on my way.
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#3 would be an absolutely terrible idea. #1 would lead to you paying sales tax twice

#2 seems like the best option. However, regardless of how responsible he is, 100% of you has to be prepared to never get this car back. There are a hundred ways this could go sideways even with the most responsible of friends. It's like loaning money to family, only do it if you are prepared to never get it back
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I'm in the camp of "don't do this at all".

He buys his own truck or you sell him yours but either way you do not want to be tied to it. A year is a fairly long time. You can be legally liable for any number of things. It's simply not worth the risk financially. I don't even loan my vehicles to my own siblings. I don't care how responsible they are. I'm not willing to risk everything I've worked for to a single bad situation.

Seriously, this is a bad idea. There is no friend worth risking your personal well being and financial well being. None.

You are getting good advice from people who have a lot of experience in various aspects of life, business, and industry. This advice isn't given to upset you, it's given to save your tail from something many of us see as a serious issue. You and your entire family are at risk and there is nary a single person on this planet I'll put above my own family's well being.

The friend needs to get his act together and buy his own stuff.
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Also, car prices are unlikely to meaningfully come down. Rates may never come down meaningfully either. We were in an unprecedented time for low rates.

This decision-making right out of the gate has me questioning your responsible friend's judgment
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jakeaggie84 said:


I mentioned it to him

This suggests to me that you offered it, the friend didn't ask, is so maybe it lays to rest all the suggestions that the friend is a deadbeat. I'm in coolerguys camp, if i were in your situation i would just hand him the keys and tell him to use it as long as he needs it. If i were the friend and you offered it up I may or may not accept, but the second you started trying to paper it up I'd politely decline and just buy a cash beater to drive to work
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Charismatic Megafauna said:

jakeaggie84 said:


I mentioned it to him

This suggests to me that you offered it, the friend didn't ask, is so maybe it lays to rest all the suggestions that the friend is a deadbeat. I'm in coolerguys camp, if i were in your situation i would just hand him the keys and tell him to use it as long as he needs it. If i were the friend and you offered it up I may or may not accept, but the second you started trying to paper it up I'd politely decline and just buy a cash beater to drive to work



This is correct. Was my idea to him. But definitely will be thinking about it. He is definitely not a dead beat haha. More of a convenience thing for both of us.

Thanks for the input. Few things to think about
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I think your first question, is whether your daughter wants your truck.

If it is special to her, something she really wants, a family heirloom....then park it and let her have it in 18 months.

If it is none of the above, and you're just going to let her have because you already have it and it's paid for...sell it to your buddy for a bargain price. Tell him you'd appreciate the opportunity to try to buy it back in 18 months. Mentally tell yourself it's gone and you're never going to get it back.

You can either hold the money, hoping to buy it back, or hold it and buy daughter what she really wants in 18 months.
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Not seeing any upside in this for you other than its out of the driveway for 18 months and then back….
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CanyonAg77 said:

I think your first question, is whether your daughter wants your truck.

If it is special to her, something she really wants, a family heirloom....then park it and let her have it in 18 months.

If it is none of the above, and you're just going to let her have because you already have it and it's paid for...sell it to your buddy for a bargain price. Tell him you'd appreciate the opportunity to try to buy it back in 18 months. Mentally tell yourself it's gone and you're never going to get it back.

You can either hold the money, hoping to buy it back, or hold it and buy daughter what she really wants in 18 months.


This old(er than me) dude hit the nail square on the head!
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1. Sell it to him
2. Sell it to him and buy it back in a year.
3. DO NOT DO THIS

My best friend let a friend of his borrow his car since he was out of a vehicle.

His friend went on and fixed the car up and tried to keep it as his and guilt my best friend into letting him keep the car free of charge since he had put money into fixing and repairing small maintenance issues. None of that was discussed with my best friend and he did not pay him for the repairs. It ruined their relationship. So whatever you do put it in writing.
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I have 4 friends that I would let drive my truck for 18 months. No money, no paperwork.

They are my only true friends. I guess that I am richly blessed to have a handful of people around me that I truly trust.
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Tumble Weed said:

I have 4 friends that I would let drive my truck for 18 months. No money, no paperwork.

They are my only true friends. I guess that I am richly blessed to have a handful of people around me that I truly trust.

I have a laundry list of people who I would also trust and give access to my stuff, in an emergency.

This is not that.
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Tumble Weed said:

I have 4 friends that I would let drive my truck for 18 months. No money, no paperwork.

They are my only true friends. I guess that I am richly blessed to have a handful of people around me that I truly trust.
I have zero friends who I would loan any of my cars to for more than an afternoon.

I let my sister drive my 99 Expy for a few years while I was overseas.

She put a few dents in it, broke the sideview mirrors (which she did replace).
Mostly, she just complained about the poor gas mileage that she got on a free car.

No good deed goes unpunished.

The only other people I have let drive my car for that length of time are my daughters.
And both of them can't stand the fact that my truck is more reliable than whatever they're driving. Especially because it's soooooo old.
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Don't loan things or money to friends or family. Either sell it to him or gift it to him with no expectation of getting it back.
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This is the answer.
Matsui
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And this.
f2foxes2001
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Sell truck. Have him lease his own car or do an extended rental in his name with a third party. Put money in a cd for a year and then get your daughter a.car then.
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Murphy's Law. Don't do it.
jakeaggie84
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Opened up a can of worms here.

My friend is still deciding on whether he wants to use my truck and the terms of our agreement. Like I said, stand up guy I have zero worries about doing something dumb. Only thing that could happen is wreck or the truck craps out randomly.

I'm guess I'm a little emotionally attached to the truck but wouldn't kill me if I had to get something different for my daughter. Just a Quality truck that is in good condition that I trust being around for 10 more year.

My preference would be pay aprox value to me and sell it to him with an agreement to buy it back in 10-12 months for current value. Throw the money in a HY savings or treasuries.

But wouldnt have a prob with selling for low price ($2k) and making him buy full coverage insurance just in case.

Anyways, thanks for the thoughts, I'll let y'all know what we decide.

He might be more worried about it than me….like I said, super trustworthy friend.
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Jake,

Clearly you have a big heart, and we'll assume he's a good safe friend. That being said, you bear all the risk in this situation of being nice - literally all of the risk. Things can only go "ok" or "bad". Zero upside for you outside of trying to be a nice friend.

Your motive for doing this is clearly you're still attached to your old truck and want it for your daughter - otherwise you'd sell it to friend for decent price.

The whole "sell it to him, he sells it back" thing is just silly (no offense). Stay away from that. Either sell it or don't, but once you sell it, it's sold. Daughter get's something else.

You drove that truck for 8-9 years, clearly got the value out of it - and you're supposed to be in the reap-the-rewards-for-doing-that land by driving it that long - but you're risking it all now... and you have to ask yourself "why".
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