Is there anything wrong with these tires?

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Fat Bottom Squirrels
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I have a 2023 Super Duty diesel with 15k miles that I bought new from Buck. Went to get an oil change and a tire rotation this weekend but the guy called and said that the tires were so bald, they wouldn't be able to rotate them. These tires only have 15k miles on them and have never towed anything. Are they really already bald?








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I wouldn't call them bald, but they probably have less than 10K miles left in them. They are getting close to the wear bars in the pictures. I would not go back with those when you decide to get new.
Fat Bottom Squirrels
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I mean, at 15k miles, is this something I should be demanding warranty replacement for? Seems like complete BS to pay what I did for this truck only to get tires that last for 25k miles.
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I guess it can't hurt to try. The worst they can tell you is no. If not warranty, maybe they can give you a discount on a new set.

Speaking in generalities, OEM tires usually suck. If you look at the same tire you have at Discount Tire, I would bet they don't list a mileage warranty.
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OEM tires can be super soft and wear way too quickly. That doesn't look like it's below the 3/32 though or whatever it is they use as their guide.

Go to a different shop.
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Fat Bottom Squirrels said:

I mean, at 15k miles, is this something I should be demanding warranty replacement for? Seems like complete BS to pay what I did for this truck only to get tires that last for 25k miles.


Tires usually have a separate warranty when you buy new so definitely look into it. Too many factors go into tire wear to make the statement about the cost of the truck vs your tire wear
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2 things...

1. Is the dealer actually rotating them? and If so, are they rotating them in the correct pattern? If you're using quicklane, thats where most service department employees start off. They're the lowest paying and least experienced employees. A lot of times, they're claiming they are rotating and not doing it, or if they are, they're front-rear swapping without crossing. Crossing the front on a RWD based vehicle allows the tires to nibble off the scalloping and edge wear to make the tires wear evenly across the tread. I rotate myself or let discount do it.



2. OEM Dueler tires aren't the best, but 15K is too short. Have you actually put a tread depth gauge on there to measure actual depth? We're all eyballing it through computer monitors, but it looks like you still have 6 or 7/32" left. I would expect at least 40K of life or better.


Other thoughts:

The service writer who called has a job, to sell....and if he can sell you a set of 1500 dollar tires, why not?

Also, most OEM supplied tires do not have any kind of mileage warranty of any sort like retail tires. They do have warranties for manufacturing defects or workmanship issues, but thats it.

Tire applications are funny and complicated .

OEM Manufacturers will negotiate with tire suppliers to purchase bulk amounts of tires, and manufacturers will supply the same models that we can buy from retailers, but meet the OEM requirements for rolling resistance, ride and handling characteristics, (and cost) by changing material compounds etc, or providing an older model tire with lower production costs that still meet the OEMs requirements. Like GM using Goodyear Eagle RS-A, Eagle LS-2, and Wrangler SR-A for the last 30 years on their vehicles. Ford used a Michelin Primacy XC on their 18" F150 offerings, which was generally not sold at retailers, and only an OEM application tire. Ford also used Hankooks for their FX4 package tires and called them "all terrains" and tread life varied wildly on those. Toyota and Lexus loves using soft ass bridgestones on their vehicles that ride great but infuriate owners at 20K when they have cords showing. Some tire manufacturers do supply retail units for OEMs just to get more product out there, I have seen super duty trucks equipped with Michelin LTX MS2 that will get 50-70K.
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txyaloo
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What's your take on manufacturer spec'd tires? Like N code PS4S that Porsche specs or BMW's star spec?

I usually buy whatever is less expensive and haven't really noticed a difference, but I understand tire compounds are different/optimized,
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txyaloo said:

What's your take on manufacturer spec'd tires? Like N code PS4S that Porsche specs or BMW's star spec?

I usually buy whatever is less expensive and haven't really noticed a difference, but I understand tire compounds are different/optimized,


I think again, theyre making special requirements for how the car will react, how the tires make the car handle, brake, etc to optimize performance.

Will you and I notice it in the streets? Probably not. In the track? Probably if you're driving the car to 100%.

trip98
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My f150 came with a card outlining the tire warranty when I picked it up from dealer
Was in glove box with manual. See what it says
Mas89
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That's BS. No reason for the shop not to rotate the tires. Had they been previously rotated with prior oil changes?

I usually expect to get 25k miles out of oem tires on a 2500 truck with all terrain tires.

What shop said they would not rotate the tires?

ETA that I always mark the 2 front tires on my wife's suv when she has her vehicle serviced. With a black sharpie pen inside some of the lettering so I can tell if they were actually rotated. Twice over the years I had to return it to service to do over at the dealership.
Fat Bottom Squirrels
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Yessir, since it only has 15k miles, the tires had only been rotated once at 7500 miles, so this would have been the second. I think the tires are pretty crappy but from what I can tell, there's no reason they couldn't rotate them. Am I right about 7500 mile intervals?
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That's close- I think the all-terrains on a 250 should probably be rotated at 5-6,000 miles ideally. My son's F250 has BFGs that look similar to yours with around 15,000 miles also. I'll try to edit with a photo and miles tomorrow.

Yes, I would get them rotated somewhere else if the dealership won't rotate. Wondering what's wrong with the service department. Strange way to upsell service that I've never heard of before.
Rattler12
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Methinks someone is wanting to sell a new set of tires to you.
1agswitchin4lanes
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Mas89 said:

That's close- I think the all-terrains on a 250 should probably be rotated at 5-6,000 miles ideally. My son's F250 has BFGs that look similar to yours with around 15,000 miles also. I'll try to edit with a photo and miles tomorrow.

Yes, I would get them rotated somewhere else if the dealership won't rotate. Wondering what's wrong with the service department. Strange way to upsell service that I've never heard of before.



This. Though 1500 miles past shouldn't ruin a set of tires.

Fat Bottom Squirrels
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Thank you guys for all of the help, genuinely very much appreciated. I will try to get Ford to look at them under warranty but prepared for them to simply tell me to go screw myself. Looks like I'm going to be in the market for new tires (at 15k miles, infuriating). I'm almost exclusively pavement, so LTX AT2's? Where is the best place to buy new tires? Discount?
1agswitchin4lanes
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defender LTX MS2.

Unless you need something more aggressive.

Do you have white Oakleys?
JB!98
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Local Mexican tire shop time! Rotate them and get another 10K out them and then change.
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JB!98 said:

Local Mexican tire shop time! Rotate them and get another 10K out them and then change.


Ditto. Rotate those b!7ch3z yourself or go to vatos tire and lube. I've done this before. Dealers are just assuming you'll pay because you can afford a deuce fifty.
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1agswitchin4lanes said:

defender LTX MS2.

Unless you need something more aggressive.

Do you have white Oakleys?
pit vipers these days, brah
DannyDuberstein
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1agswitchin4lanes said:

defender LTX MS2.

Unless you need something more aggressive.

Do you have white Oakleys?


This. It's not exactly "buy once, cry once", but it's in that ballpark
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