Filter Minder Indicator

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Cen-Tex
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Installed a new air filter on my Cummins ISL diesel. Only drove the vehicle 200-300 miles and filter differential indicator reading like it did before the filter change at 14" H2O. Anyone ever had one of these indicators fail?

p.s. - Haven't been in any dusty environments, checked inlet & outlet hose to be secure on filter.

Jason_Roofer
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I've had one on every super duty I ever owned and I don't even know if they ever work at all honestly. Never seen them move. I just change filters once a year or so because I'm in dusty location but otherwise, my filter minders would seem to require complete restriction to function.

If it looks the same while running as it did before then I'd say it's not working or the spring in it is shot. I'd just replace it if it were me.

What does the indicator look like when it's not running?
Cen-Tex
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Jason_Roofer said:

I've had one on every super duty I ever owned and I don't even know if they ever work at all honestly. Never seen them move. I just change filters once a year or so because I'm in dusty location but otherwise, my filter minders would seem to require complete restriction to function.

If it looks the same while running as it did before then I'd say it's not working or the spring in it is shot. I'd just replace it if it were me.

What does the indicator look like when it's not running?

The indicator stays locked-in at its last reading until you push the reset button under the indicator. This releases the spring and the the gauge will show zero… until the engine is started again.
JamesPShelley
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The device is a proverbial idiot light.

In the "old days" (lol) we just checked our filter on occasion, replacing them when necesssary.

Matter of fact... many still do just that: Visually check their own filter.
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Cen-Tex said:

Jason_Roofer said:

I've had one on every super duty I ever owned and I don't even know if they ever work at all honestly. Never seen them move. I just change filters once a year or so because I'm in dusty location but otherwise, my filter minders would seem to require complete restriction to function.

If it looks the same while running as it did before then I'd say it's not working or the spring in it is shot. I'd just replace it if it were me.

What does the indicator look like when it's not running?

The indicator stays locked-in at its last reading until you push the reset button under the indicator. This releases the spring and the the gauge will show zero… until the engine is started again.


This. It even says "push button to reset" in your picture
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Cen-Tex said:

Jason_Roofer said:

p.s. - Haven't been in any dusty environments, checked inlet & outlet hose to be secure on filter.

The indicator stays locked-in at its last reading until you push the reset button under the indicator. This releases the spring and the the gauge will show zero… until the engine is started again.

You know how I know you were doing smoky burnouts in your Cummins?
Centerpole90
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Seriously though,

how far is this from normal? The minder on my powerstroke is about there all the time; new filter or not. Also, in that time did you trailer? or really romp on it? You said it stays at its 'last' setting and I'm pretty sure you misspoke and mean its 'highest' setting, since reset. If you jump on your truck it is going to get that air from somewhere and it will absolutely draw that tattletale down.
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Centerpole90 said:

Seriously though,

how far is this from normal? The minder on my powerstroke is about there all the time; new filter or not. Also, in that time did you trailer? or really romp on it? You said it stays at its 'last' setting and I'm pretty sure you misspoke and mean its 'highest' setting, since reset. If you jump on your truck it is going to get that air from somewhere and it will absolutely draw that tattletale down.

How this all started was when a Cummins mechanic told me that the air filter needed changing, when the indicator was showing the same reading. (In the Cummins shop for a different problem). I then changed the filter because it had been about 1 1/2 yr since the last change. The engine is on my motorhome and I tow my pickup truck when we travel. Yes, sometimes you have to jump on it…passing, steep inclines, etc.
Centerpole90
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I apologize, when I first read your post I didn't catch it was in an RV/truck - hence my smoky burnout comment.

I'm not disputing what your mechanic told you. I have some diesel engines (so equipped) that run in much harsher environments than your RV and that reading would not send up red flags for ME. However, I can see your concern since that's what you mechanic told you.

To your original question, do these fail? I haven't seen that myself, but this is an imperfect world. I will say, they are a mass market item that rely on a constant pressure spring that is all the 'calibration' there is; so I can see where there might be some variance from one to another. The purpose of the minder is to keep you out of a catastrophic filter failure - not really as a diagnostic of the engine. You did exactly what a high reading on that minder would have you do - changed the filter.

Now, you have a new filter and you're right back where you started with same reading. Have you observed any indications you're starving for air? Reduced power on long pulls? Excessive black smoke? If the answers are yes and you have a new filter then I'd start looking for a rubber elbow somewhere in the intake line that might be collapsing under load, or some other restriction in the intake. (honestly, I'd think that would read higher on your tattletale) If the answer is no; everything is exactly like it was before - I would not be alarmed.

If you are really concerned - put a new on there for a few bucks, or just do it for comparison. My suspicion is you are okay. Happy Thanksgiving.
D Nauti
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A dirty filter works better and traps more stuff before it gets into the filter media, at some point that becomes a restriction. I would expect it to read the same until the filter becomes a restriction and then it should go up and you should change the filter.

I've worked with equipment that just makes dust and they have a filter inside a filter. I swear some days when blowing out the outside filter at the end of the day we could have collected a 5 gal bucket of dust. Never saw anything come out of the inside filter. We changed the oil and the filters about every 6 months, sorry don't remember the hrs between changes.
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