https://instagr.am/p/CgPZ2T-rE_O

Basically the most screwed up food advice I've seen since the food pyramid.

Thoughts? Are they just encouraging diabetes now?

In what world are frosted mini wheats and orange juice better for you than a boiled egg?

AggieOO said:

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looks like to me someone is taking a study completely out of context. I'm sure if you read the full context of whatever this study is, things would make sense. But its easier to get clicks if you just show a graph with "Tufts Institute" on it and throw it out to the masses to try and create a upswell.

also the study is 18 months old, so guessing the only reason anyone cares now is b/c this dude went on Joe Rogan.

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I thought this as well. But I'm not sure what metric would have orange juice and mini wheats above an egg.

Idk, but if you ate only the green foods, you'd have a pretty awesome healthy diet. Depending on what else you eat, miniwheats could be way better than eggs. Love the sugar that comes from watermelon and dates. Much lower glycemic index than sucrose and fructose. And of course kale is an incredible anti-inflamatory food - cruciferous vegetables are fantastic - kale, broccoli, cauliflower, brussel sprouts. Eggs do a great job of suppressing appetite and providing protein, but they're not some miraculous salve.

Check out the recent research on watermelon.

The anti-inflammatory properties of the cruciferous vegetables are fantastic. When you're 51 someday and you find yourself struggling to recover from a hard workout, remember the kale. You can thank me later.

And I'm not sure where the protein deficiency is. Supplement if you need to, but those green foods will get you well over RDA.

94chem said:

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Check out the recent research on watermelon.

The anti-inflammatory properties of the cruciferous vegetables are fantastic. When you're 51 someday and you find yourself struggling to recover from a hard workout, remember the kale. You can thank me later.

And I'm not sure where the protein deficiency is. Supplement if you need to, but those green foods will get you well over RDA.

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Recent research won't change watermelon's actual glycemic index. Its glycemic load is low because it's so water saturated.

I'm not saying kale (which is the only veggie on the list) isn't good for you. In fact I wouldn't avoid any food in the green for nutrition purposes (although frozen yogurt does suck taste wise). It's the claim that only eating foods in the green would be a healthy diet that got me to respond because that is demonstrably false.

What food(s) in the green would be your primary protein source? I don't see how you would easily get to the recommended dv, which is significantly too low anyways.

I can't believe egg substitute fried in vegetable oil just barely beat out chicken breast. I figured it'd be way healthier than that!

I think the Materials/Methods section of this paper would be worth a read. It wouldn't surprise me if they have more weight to vitamins/minerals (which sugary cereals are substantially fortified with), and less weight to protein. I can't pull up the paper from home, but perhaps might be able to at work.

"Fortified"

I don't know if anything is healthy for a sedentary individual.

I ate 50 g of whey yesterday after my run. I could've eaten a yogurt and some oatmeal, but the protein powder was quicker, and doubling the amount kept me from being hungry until after church. I use a powder with Stevia, not artificial sweeteners or sugar.

The kale helps me get my rings off in the morning. I took ashwagandha for a long time, but I just kinda got where I couldn't stand the smell any more.

To be "fair and balanced," we've certainly been told a lot of lies over the years about salt, fat, cholesterol, and sugar. And people have finally pushed back, limiting sugar, ignoring dietary cholesterol, increasing protein, and eating complex carbohydrates. But people are people, and they'll inevitably gravitate toward what feels good. This is even true for athletes.

You can fill yourself with eggs and bacon, surf and turf, and all manner of fatty dairy products. And if you are disciplined in your workouts, you will look and feel good at 25, 35, maybe 45. But remember that the very oxygen you breathe is a diradical. It attacks your DNA, and ages you.

And remember that your body is a 401(k). And you only get to make deposits for a short time, then you have to live off the interest. A million dollars looks good now. In fact, you really can't tell the difference between a 40 year old with 1 million and a 40 year old with 5 million. But if they both retire at 50, the difference will soon become clear.

Boiled eggs are awesome after and HIIT, but plant-based superfoods will help you play with your grandkids.

Big kudos to everyone who is grinding out there. The only guarantee you have is today. Move it or lose it!

I agree, I look into this a lot, and it's really hard to say with any certainty what is the best diet for everyone, let alone the best diet for someone.

That being said, as of right now, the majority of data suggests that diets lower in saturated fat have better clinical outcomes than those higher in saturated fats. It is certainly possible for people to lower their LDL and raise their HDL with carnivore type diets, but I don't think there's much data out there on how it translates into clinical outcomes.

There are lots of hypothesis out there about cholesterol. Whether certain subtypes of LDL matter more than the absolute number. Or whether triglyerides matter more than LDL. Or if a diet high in saturated fats leads to faster cholesterol turnover, which means less chance for cholesterol to oxidize, and the oxidized cholesterol is the one that is more atherosclerotic.

Would be interesting to see if quality of saturated fat intake makes a difference (grain fed vs free range animals). Or if combining the high saturated fats with lots of unsaturated fats from nuts, fruits, and such, counteract each other?

Not much money in that kind of research, and it's also very difficult research to do well.

Algorithmic Epiphany said:

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"Fortified"

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This is what I meant:

This is in WHEATIES cereal??

If you eat cereal for breakfast, you need to watch this… pic.twitter.com/rpIxhDWLBf

— Paul Saladino, MD (@paulsaladinomd) November 21, 2023

Algorithmic Epiphany said:

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Algorithmic Epiphany said:

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"Fortified"

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This is what I meant:

This is in WHEATIES cereal??

If you eat cereal for breakfast, you need to watch this… pic.twitter.com/rpIxhDWLBf

— Paul Saladino, MD (@paulsaladinomd) November 21, 2023

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It's not a demonstration of the HARMS of fortified cereals- he's claiming that they're just not as bioavailabile.

You know what's also very bio-available? Multivitamins.

It's very hard to take this guy seriously when he has a massive bias against anything non-animal. He calls himself the ****ing Carnivore MD, and sells supplements derived from animal products.

If he produced a study that showed DEMONSTRABLE HARM from fortified cereals compared to micronutrients from animal organs, then I would listen. But this is just some clever trick to persuade you that his message is the "most correct".

Algorithmic Epiphany said:

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Algorithmic Epiphany said:

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"Fortified"

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This is what I meant:

This is in WHEATIES cereal??

If you eat cereal for breakfast, you need to watch this… pic.twitter.com/rpIxhDWLBf

— Paul Saladino, MD (@paulsaladinomd) November 21, 2023

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Did this experiment 35 years ago in HS chemistry. This guy will probably try to inform us that paper sacks come from trees and that plastic bags come from petroleum. Headline news stuff, I tell ya.

I talk about nutrient density of meat a lot but how does that translate and compare to so-called plant "superfoods"?

Grams needed to obtain 33% of the RDI for iron, zinc, calcium, folate and vitamin A:

Liver 9
Beef 98
Eggs 160
Lamb 118
Cheese 99

Leafy Greens 282
Quinoa 625… pic.twitter.com/aCkTuAuDTu

— 💯 Cary Kelly 💯 (@CaryKelly11) November 25, 2023

Nutrient density.

Algorithmic Epiphany said:

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I talk about nutrient density of meat a lot but how does that translate and compare to so-called plant "superfoods"?

Grams needed to obtain 33% of the RDI for iron, zinc, calcium, folate and vitamin A:

Liver 9
Beef 98
Eggs 160
Lamb 118
Cheese 99

Leafy Greens 282
Quinoa 625… pic.twitter.com/aCkTuAuDTu

— 💯 Cary Kelly 💯 (@CaryKelly11) November 25, 2023

Nutrient density.

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Okay. But how does this translate into tangible real-world end effect in humans?

His follow up post below

That’s exactly how I feel about plants. I don’t think our digestive system is designed to extract nutrition from plants very well.

— 💯 Cary Kelly 💯 (@CaryKelly11) November 25, 2023

He doesn't think we can digest plants well…so he ignores people who do live long lives on vegetarian-based diets?

Just because you can't explain it doesn't mean it isn't possible

There's legitimately no benefit to avoiding vegetables. If you hate them, then dont bother eating them because you don't have to. But don't go so far to the extreme to demonize them like they're actively killing people, because many people live long lives on veggie diets