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Low Carb/Keto and Lifting Weights

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1997aggies
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Has anyone here tied these two things together to lose weight successfully? If so, how was it?
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Yah, all the time. You just have to eat when you don't want to in order to make sure you get enough calories. You get tired of eating, but yah. Much easier to down a double meat double cheese burger with fries and a dr. pepper to get calories than it is to eat a crap ton of meat.

Edit - that also was my go to cutting strategy to make weight. Very few carbs starting about 2 weeks before my meet - unless I was close to making weight.
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I will just add, I've found it difficult to gain strength while restricting carbs significantly. That being said, if your trying to lose weight and are therefore under eating, then that's going to be difficult anyway. Lowering carbs will definitely help you lose fat.

It's really the really low carb while trying to gain weight / strength that I've found to be a challenge. I know some swear by the carnivore / keto diets and also getting bigger / stronger, but my energy in the gym just sucks on low carb.
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I've done it, but not to an extreme degree. It takes some willpower as you will feel low energy until you get used to it. Is your goal to lose fat or add muscle? Higher protein lower carb will do that but you will have to have good recovery and lots of reps.
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To lose fat, you have to be in a calorie deficit. More calories out, less calories in. That is also how your body produces energy. By burning a fuel source, either calories from food, fat or muscle. So, if you have significant fat stores, you may be able to operate more normally. But if you are fairly lean and wanting to shed the last few pounds, it will be tough. If you want to focus on losing weight, be prepared for weight lifting and muscle growth to suffer or lag. It is possible to do both, but it will be slow. But doable.
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Don't be afraid of carbs. Just eat mostly complex ones like brown rice, starchy veg and fruits and it will work itself out. And yeah… run a calorie deficit.

Most of the quick weight you lose on a low carb diet is depleted glycogen stores which will probably have pretty negative consequences on your performance in the gym. It's a double edged sword.
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Everyone is different, but I personally lost way more weight when I shifted my focus from cutting carbs to reducing my fat intake to around 40-45 grams per day. A nutritionist once explained to me that for some people, increasing carbohydrate intake alongside consistent resistance training and cardio can actually boost metabolic rate. In their words, "Fat burns in the furnace of carbs."

For me, when I cut carbs too low, my workouts suffer: I feel drained, my runs are sluggish, and I can't lift as effectively. But when I include more complex carbs, my workouts are way stronger and intense, and I naturally burn more calories.

Of course, YMMV. This approach worked well for me, a former fat slob, but everyone's body responds differently.


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I've heard this too. Sounds bro science-y to me though.

A gram of fat is 9 calories and a gram of carbs/protein is 4 calories. So if you are looking at substituting in the lense of 'carbs vs fats', small misses in fat is definitely a hell of a lot more costly than carbs on the calorie deficit metric. And that's honestly the only one that matters when it comes to fat loss.
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It worked for me when I was in my noob gains phase - but I was very out of shape with lots of extra fat.

Once my body recomposition phase was over and I started getting to around squatting/deadlifting my body weight I couldn't do it anymore, my energy was total trash. Then I switched to adding carbs back in and haven't looked back.

When I am trying to cut weight now I basically just reduce my carb intake and switch out higher fat foods for lower fat foods. I can usually at least maintain my strength level while doing that but my energy level is still hit or miss.
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Fair enough. For me, carnivore diets typically fall into that bro-science category.

Agreed completely on the 9 vs 4 fat/carbs measurement. Once I started measuring out my food and tracking macros, it made way more sense and helped a ton.
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When I go Keto/Low carb I shed weight like crazy. However my lifting performance and gains definitely suffer. IMO you should continue to lift to maintain muscle mass, but don't expect to make gains either. I have been able to get super lean on a traditional bodybuilding carb diet as well, but it was way more difficult and I was fighting hunger the whole time. After a couple weeks on a keto/carnivore diet I am almost never hungry and typically will move to eating one meal a day. On Keto/Carnivore though I can typically still do plenty of lower intensity/endurance work. I mainly do Keto/Carnivore for other reasons though. I have drastically less inflammation when on it. If I were to eat a plate of pasta right now within 2 hours my left knee will start to ache and have pain.

One thing about Keto/Carnivore though is you have to fully commit. You can't just mostly do it or you will constantly be in this yo/yo of feeling sluggish and dragging until your body starts producing ketones again.
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I think when you're at a higher percentage of body fat then it's just a flip of the coin of whether high carb vs low carb works better for you, but both equally valid as long as the caloric deficit is in place and you are consistent with protein.

But regardless of the carb/fat ratio- lifting is absolutely key when losing body fat. For muscle to stick around, you don't need a high volume of training to sustain the mass- and depending on your training age, you may even put on some muscle if you're consistent with the training.

I also think- from personal experience- that you can be totally fine alternating high-carb days with low-carb days- as long as you're consistently in a caloric deficit over time and the protein is consistent.

And finally- if you're truly worried about gaining excess body fat from too many carbs, then gaining muscle and preserving it is of utmost importance. The more muscle you're able to build, the more you're able to store excess carbohydrates as glycogen- thereby helping to offset some fears with higher blood sugar levels. And the more fat you shed, the more you improve your insulin resistance. Even type 2 diabetics can get into diabetes remission following a high-carb diet. The only diet that matters is the one you can stick with and you enjoy and checks the boxes of what's necessary to lose fat and preserve muscle
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1997aggies said:

Has anyone here tied these two things together to lose weight successfully? If so, how was it?

All depends on what you want to do. If you are are just looking to shed some weight and hold on to some muscle, yeah, you can do it to shed weight. (You will get some muscle build/fuller munscles early on due to being un-trained, but this will stop after a few months)

If that's the goal, rock on. It will work.

Now, after that first 3-6 months and you are wanting to actually build muscle with big compound lifts, I would definitely suggest learning to balance your macros correctly for long term health with a balance of protein, fat and carb.

Everyone is different, but damn, when lifting heavy, they are essential for me.

Good luck!
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Keto or not I would say most would recommend some sort of periodization for best results unless you have never lifted. You can and should lift to maintain muscle mass while cutting weight but I would not plan for hyper aggressive lifting growth while cutting.
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I've lost very significant weight with keto. You will finding lifting sucks compared to when you have muscle stores full of glycogen, but you need to do it to fight off lean mass loss unless you're taking supplemental anabolics (e.g. TRT). The first time I lost a lot of weight with keto alone and no lifting, my metabolism suffered greatly (about 400kcal lower RMR than expected after a year, as measured by Dr. Martin @ TAMU). It took a few years to build back up to a normal metabolism. So yes, it's going to suck, but take creatine and lift as much as you can to stimulate MPS and fight off lean tissue catabolism during a keto-fueled cut.
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I'll pile on the "hard to lift heavy while cutting carbs" bandwagon.

Jan. thru June of this year, I dropped to a significant caloric deficit (1000/day) and <75g carbs/day, helping me get down from 240lbs to 175lbs. Then I started to hit the gym, doing a 3-day split. I didn't see the normal "OMG CRAZY GAINS" most people talk about in their first couple months, then I realized it was because I was not maintaining proper nutrition for the new lifestyle. Once I went from 1300 daily calories > 1500 > 1800 > 2100 > 2400 (and eating 100 > 150 > 200g of protein and 200g carbs a day) my lifts changed dramatically.
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True Anomaly said:

The only diet that matters is the one you can stick with and you enjoy and checks the boxes of what's necessary to lose fat and preserve muscle

Late to this thread. But this is perfect.
TacoKitKat
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One thing that gets glossed over by folks without metabolic disease is that diets like keto can address metabolic dysfunction significantly better than other diets for those with elevated A1C (prediabetes) or outright T2 diabetics. I was only ever able to normalize my blood glucose, lose weight, and improve my metabolic health with a fairly strict keto diet - after several years of which I was able to reintroduce carbs in a responsible manner. If you've never had these problems, the standard advice of counting calories and a balanced diet is perfectly fine. If you've got an already damaged carbohydrate metabolism, eliminating them for a while may be the best bet. If this is NOT you, you probably don't need keto - at best it might be just a way to suppress appetite while you cut calories.
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AggieBarstool said:

Once I went from 1300 daily calories > 1500 > 1800 > 2100 > 2400 (and eating 100 > 150 > 200g of protein and 200g carbs a day) my lifts changed dramatically.

Just curious - how did weight / body composition change as the calories went up?
Tex117
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AggieBarstool said:

I'll pile on the "hard to lift heavy while cutting carbs" bandwagon.

Jan. thru June of this year, I dropped to a significant caloric deficit (1000/day) and <75g carbs/day, helping me get down from 240lbs to 175lbs. Then I started to hit the gym, doing a 3-day split. I didn't see the normal "OMG CRAZY GAINS" most people talk about in their first couple months, then I realized it was because I was not maintaining proper nutrition for the new lifestyle. Once I went from 1300 daily calories > 1500 > 1800 > 2100 > 2400 (and eating 100 > 150 > 200g of protein and 200g carbs a day) my lifts changed dramatically.

Dude, this absolutely excellent work.

Today's winner for the General Board Burrito Lottery is:

Tex117
zooguy96
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I've lost 40 pounds following a strictly keto diet during the past 5 months. During that time, I've also been doing physical outdoor lifting (doing scrap metal).

I've definitely gotten stronger, but feel drained sometimes after moving a large load of metal.

It definitely takes discipline. But, my blood pressure is lower, and l will eventually move to a maintenance diet once I reach maybe 165. 176 right now - started at 216.
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